RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

[DP425]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coctailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of this makes sense so far...

Savage was ruled out on account if the accutrigger, when all 4 rifles can be outfitted with quality triggers for $500 total...?

Nothing against any of the prior suggestions - SPRs and AIAEs are great. Hell, throw TRG22s into the mix! I'm just saying that none of what we've been told adds up. </div></div>

+1
Seems to be some disconnects between expectations and reality, along with reasoning that, like above... doesn't seem to follow logic.</div></div>

What arent you understanding?
They have $10-$12,000 worth of stuff. They want to trade that stuff for rifles.

I got a quote on AI AE MKIII rifles for a little over $13,000. I might be able to make that work.

I do know their current rifles are worth about $800ea. I wasnt trying to suggest their old Remys were worth $10,000. </div></div>

Okay, so we have established the value of the rifles-

What doesn't make sense is tossing out savage because they don't like a trigger that can be replaced in 10 minutes.

What doesn't make sense is buying completely new rifles when you can have your existing rifles upgraded to fit your needs perfectly and still have money left over for other uses.

And I saw someone mentioned not wanting their guns down- this is ridiculous. With careful planning, and communication ahead of time with a GOOD smith, the work could be done in under a month on each gun. Sure, that's taking 1 of 4 away but lets be realistic here- are four going to be needed at any one time? Not likely.

Since this is tax payer money and it is in their best interest to make it stretch as best as it can, I would say rebuild the current rifles as option #1- AI guns as option #2. Of course it would seem you are some sort of dealer/broker or something so it may not be very beneficial to you if they go the route of option #1- I'm not really sure what your business is and how that factors in here. Either way, we are talking about a department trading/selling off equipment to fund this- so they aren't flush with cash... making the best use of the funds available now seems like it should be the priority, not necessarily having the flashiest, prettiest and newest rifles on the block. $5k-$6k can buy a LOT of additional equipment, or a couple more expensive smaller items they may not otherwise be able to afford.

 

[Cape_hunter]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

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[Cape_hunter]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UncleBenji</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never understood why PD's insist on using traditional bolt action long range rifles for their "snipers" when the typical distance of a shoot is 70 yds for PD's. My personal opinion would be to rethink the approach to the gear you have, because Remington's from 1996 are in perfect working order. Perhaps they just need a going through and clean up, but there's no reason to buy new Remingtons that have the exact same actions, or AE MkIII's that serve no additional strength for a PD, or even an FN which is just a fancy Winchester 70. Again, all great guns, but not try advantage over each other when considering the typical 70yd shot that a PD sniper takes.

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70yd rule= pure bullshit

There is zero, none, zip information to support this. ASA did a write up on this a few years back discussing reality based training and how many PD's don't train beyond 200yd because of this mythical 70yd bullshit... and the effect that will have if they encounter a tower shooter w stand-off. Should mention they looked fairly hard for info on it- FBI had no statistics on engagement ranges and there have been no studies done. </div></div>

Agreed.

 

[Cape_hunter]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: midkansasguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UncleBenji</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never understood why PD's insist on using traditional bolt action long range rifles for their "snipers" when the typical distance of a shoot is 70 yds for PD's. My personal opinion would be to rethink the approach to the gear you have, because Remington's from 1996 are in perfect working order. Perhaps they just need a going through and clean up, but there's no reason to buy new Remingtons that have the exact same actions, or AE MkIII's that serve no additional strength for a PD, or even an FN which is just a fancy Winchester 70. Again, all great guns, but not try advantage over each other when considering the typical 70yd shot that a PD sniper takes.

Furthermore, the biggest role that a PD sniper takes is to observe and report. And if a shooting does occur, then there needs to be a good ability for a fast follow up shot. This being said, I think you should also be considering an AR10 style platform with quality optics that provide a clear and wide field of view for the shooter. AR's are incredibly reliable now days, they're cheap, and you can pair them with a suppressor for urban use. Then you might want to consider something like a S&B short dot or USO SN 1.8-10 - something that give's you a large FOV while allowing you to respond to larger magnification needs.

That's my 2 cents, and that's what I would personally want if I was in an urban sniper position in a city where long distance shooting likely wouldn't take place. </div></div>



i dont know if i would want a swat sniper with a 1-4 power rattling off a bunch of rounds at a suspect. gotta think of what happens to the shots fired that dont hit their mark. i think a single well placed shot is more effective. or why not give all the officers a 1-4 on an AR and let them shoot the bad guy. whole point of an operator is one shot one kill and to observe and report. in the area that i live in there has been two incidents where guys with high power scoped hunting rifles we in a middle of a field shooting at cops, one of the cops is one of my best friends. he said he felt pretty helpless with his lil eotech when the guy was 100+ yards low light conditions and possibly being in the cross hairs of the guys 30-06 etc etc. i think there is a place for PD snipers and i also think they need to train according to their surroundings. we can drive 20 minutes any way and hit a country road. they should train for situations like the one stated above. not just shooting across the street into a window with a bad guy inside threatning to cut his wrists. anyways thats my .02 </div></div>

Well put.

 

[Cape_hunter]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sinister</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Going to ANY web site instead of doing your own mission, risk, and resources analysis is plain amateurish regardless your business or line of work.

You can get both good and bad advice, but nobody can make your decision for you.</div></div>

I disagree. I think that going to a source for opinions and seeking out more information is a smart thing to do.

 

[callen3615]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've never been a fan of spending tax payer dollars just because you can.

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+1

The local/state government always complains about budgets and cutting spending in schools and fire departments, but this is why the government will always suck up all my tax dollars and still not stay within their budget.

If our marines are still using 700 actions in mcmillians theyre damn good enough for a police department. No offense meant but, seriously, how many times has a police department needed to take a shot over 50 yards?

Save our tax dollars if you can, all im sayin.


EDIT: Nevermind, just read your previous post. Buy whatever you want, wont make much of a difference. Maybe you should sell that 10k worth of stuff and do something more useful with the money. Never understood why some people in government are just itching to spend money. Not my place to say though, as an older, country, virginia man i used to know would say : "blow da hell out uv it"

 

[PowerstrokeOBX]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've never been a fan of spending tax payer dollars just because you can.

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If our marines are still using 700 actions in mcmillians theyre damn good enough for a police department. No offense meant but, seriously, how many times has a police department needed to take a shot over 50 yards?

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Probably not very often but if the situation arose that a 300 yd shot was needed to save your life you'd hope the guy would have the proper equipment to make that shot.

 

[callen3615]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OBXLongRange</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've never been a fan of spending tax payer dollars just because you can.

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If our marines are still using 700 actions in mcmillians theyre damn good enough for a police department. No offense meant but, seriously, how many times has a police department needed to take a shot over 50 yards?

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Probably not very often but if the situation arose that a 300 yd shot was needed to save your life you'd hope the guy would have the proper equipment to make that shot. </div></div>

Yup, but its never happened. And I really dont want anyone taking at shot at 300 yards to save my life. The only LE sniper situation I can think of that involved that kind of distance was ruby ridge, and Im not getting into that.

 

[Napsters]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

There are to many variables when it comes to these purchases. Some times it is cheaper with incentives to purchase new rather than repair the old.

Especially when drug forfeiture money or federal incentive programs are in play...

 

[Cape_hunter]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've never been a fan of spending tax payer dollars just because you can.

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+1

The local/state government always complains about budgets and cutting spending in schools and fire departments, but this is why the government will always suck up all my tax dollars and still not stay within their budget.

If our marines are still using 700 actions in mcmillians theyre damn good enough for a police department. No offense meant but, seriously, how many times has a police department needed to take a shot over 50 yards?

Save our tax dollars if you can, all im sayin.


EDIT: Nevermind, just read your previous post. Buy whatever you want, wont make much of a difference. Maybe you should sell that 10k worth of stuff and do something more useful with the money. Never understood why some people in government are just itching to spend money. Not my place to say though, as an older, country, virginia man i used to know would say : "blow da hell out uv it"</div></div>

The dept in question has a solid training budget. They have a gear budget that fills the needs of the team. This is nothing more then the chance to upgrade at no cost to he dept. Nothing more.

You all are reading way too deep into this.

 

[Homers Brother]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never understood why some people in government are just itching to spend money.</div></div>

I find myself asking that question every single day that I go to work (public sector procurement).

I've been following this thread for the past couple of days. Not my jurisdiction, so I'll reserve judgement of "the Sergeant" or "the department." The vendor here (if I've read this right - yes, it's confusing) is acting because if he doesn't, someone else will.

More often than not, government employees "itch" to spend money because they can, and particularly when there isn't at least one level of approval above them required to procure or dispose of property.

 

[Cape_hunter]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Homers Brother</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never understood why some people in government are just itching to spend money.</div></div>

I find myself asking that question every single day that I go to work (public sector procurement).

I've been following this thread for the past couple of days. Not my jurisdiction, so I'll reserve judgement of "the Sergeant" or "the department." The vendor here (if I've read this right - yes, it's confusing) is acting because if he doesn't, someone else will.

More often than not, government employees "itch" to spend money because they can, and particularly when there isn't at least one level of approval above them required to procure or dispose of property.
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That is correct. Departments using either confiscated firearms or trading in old ones for new ones is not a new thing. I am kinda surprised at the amount of flak the OP is getting over something that again, is pretty normal.

 

[Kodiak61]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Well this went sort of south on the poor guy. Coctailer is a good guy. He is a class 3 dealer that works with many in le and takess good care of them. hope it all works out for you bud.

 

[DP425]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OBXLongRange</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've never been a fan of spending tax payer dollars just because you can.

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If our marines are still using 700 actions in mcmillians theyre damn good enough for a police department. No offense meant but, seriously, how many times has a police department needed to take a shot over 50 yards?

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Probably not very often but if the situation arose that a 300 yd shot was needed to save your life you'd hope the guy would have the proper equipment to make that shot. </div></div>

Yup, but its never happened. And I really dont want anyone taking at shot at 300 yards to save my life. The only LE sniper situation I can think of that involved that kind of distance was ruby ridge, and Im not getting into that. </div></div>

Its NEVER happened? You must be awfully well tuned in to make such far encompassing statements

 

[Cape_hunter]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Fact is that the dept in question here backs up several other teams, some of which are rural counties. Several times they have been called out to back up or cover these other teams and landed 50+ miles out of the city. From heavy forest to some wide open spaces.

I always laugh when I hear the the whole 70 yard thing. Training should always encompass worst case scenario, not just the best or average.


"Have the tools on hand to do the job not asked of you."

 

[Slapchop]

Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yup, but its never happened. And I really dont want anyone taking at shot at 300 yards to save my life. The only LE sniper situation I can think of that involved that kind of distance was ruby ridge, and Im not getting into that. </div></div>

So because it's NEVER happened that means it will NEVER happen correct? I do agree with you on one thing though, if the need were ever to arise where a long shot was needed to save your life, hopefully the agency involved doesn't take the shot.

The only reason this thread took the turn it did is because of the players involved. Hopefully the OP was able to find a different source for the information he was looking for.