Ridiculous. OUT OF CONTROL.

[Blue Sky Country]

Just heard this morning that one of the managers who I worked under when I was a retail store ASM had died suddenly during a routine diagnostic procedure. Most likely a bronchoscopy or something more invasive.

She had been perfectly healthy when checked in for what is supposed to be a 1-2 day inpatient to allow for anesthesia wear-off. No history of underlying medical issues except for symptoms which warranted the doctors to order the scan.

Make that FIVE people in my closest circle that have died due to a fucking medical error. One parent, three coworkers and one long time neighbor and friend. Absolutely out of control. No accountability and not one elected official is even making a peep about this preventable plague that is killing over 250,000 Americans per year. A plague caused by healthcare staffers who do not know how to do their fucking jobs.

Had a talk with her family this morning to give my condolences. And told them to sue the shit out of them and write as many bad reviews as possible regarding the physicians and the hospital on ANY and EVERY online platform and social media site.

BUT...BUT...BUT...The gun control freaks always said that being a gun owner increases the risk of us and our family/friends being killed by our own guns???

FUCK THESE STATIST MOTHERFUCKERS and the cockroaches that they rode in on.

 

[AMGtuned]

Sorry for your loss, and I could not agree more. There needs to be accountability, in any profession. Especially when it involves human life. We put our trust in these people, and come to find out, they cant follow directions. Sad day, condolences to you and your friends family.

 

[acudaowner]

sorry for you loss

 

[Va_Gentleman]

I am afraid that we are going to see much more of this in the future. I feel that average competence of the new generation of workers is lower than past generations.

I think technology has a part to play, parental influence on focusing on task at hand and a general malaise of a job well done is to blame.

This would, of course, be evident in all occupations and the ramifications could lead this country into a very bad place.

 

[diverdon]

Sorry for all who have lost to the medical mistake plague. The 250,000 number you cite seems to be from John Hopkins and is probably part of the cover up. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html I think the "other sources" that cite 440,000 plus are closer but still low.

My mother died from a medical error during cancer treatment. A good friends father died when having a pace maker replaced due to the wrong program being installed in the pacemaker. The Cause of death listed for my mother is cancer, not a lazy nurse who left her strapped to drown in her own vomit. The COD for my friends father on his death cert is heart attack. They forgot to mention that his miss-programmed newly installed pacemaker shocked his heart interrupting normal rhythms 42 times in the six hours after he was released from the hospital with his new improved pacemaker, and the damage caused by that is what lead to his final heart attack.

Tell me another industry that is allowed to investigate and catalog its own mistakes without any outside oversight.... We need to lobby congress to create an independent agency that tracks medical outcomes and removes bad practitioners and bad practices from the health care industry.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Sorry for your loss.....yeah, lost my FIL to a medical mistake in diagnosing/treating a heart condition but my MIL refused to sue over it.

Way more people are killed by Doctors and medical professionals that are murdered with guns. They don;t want our guns to keep more people alive - they want our guns so they can kill US at will. They want US disarmed so that when the US, that pays something like 2X-3X what anyone else in the world pays for Health Care have had enough we have no options but to suck it.

I can't believe people in the US still believe we have the best healthcare in the world. They must not have friends in other countries. We kill more, live shorter lives, and have an infant mortality rate that is dismal compared to countries where it costs 1/2 what we pay for the same procedure. Money does not equal precision when it comes to health care apparently.

VooDoo

 

[Blue Sky Country]

@diverdon

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My mother died from a medical error during cancer treatment. A good friends father died when having a pace maker replaced due to the wrong program being installed in the pacemaker. The Cause of death listed for my mother is cancer, not a lazy nurse who left her strapped to drown in her own vomit. The COD for my friends father on his death cert is heart attack. They forgot to mention that his miss-programmed newly installed pacemaker shocked his heart interrupting normal rhythms 42 times in the six hours after he was released from the hospital with his new improved pacemaker, and the damage caused by that is what lead to his final heart attack.
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Fucking unbelievable. That was what happened to my father too. He bled to death during a bronchoscopy and his COD was listed as lung cancer just because they found a renewed growth in the region. I have filed an official report with my state's board of health and gave a slightly condensed but still detail and information filled version on every site that allows people to write and leave reviews of facilities.

Call these fuckers out on as many electronic platforms as possible and report them to your state's medical regulations board and other applicable .gov agencies. NEVER be silent about that shit.

Some motherfuckers really need to be doxxed.

Sorry for your loss as well brother.

 

[Maggot]

Depending on where you live, good luck with suing the hospital.

Not long ago my heighbors mom oround 85 years old went into UVA hospital and lay on a gurney for 8 hours while my neighbor tried to get someone to tend to her. She died early in the morning, alone.

My neighbors couldnt get any local attorneys to look at the suit so I found a top rated firm in DC. They got back in a day and said that trying to sue UVA was like trying to walk t the moon, it aint going to happen.

They have huge staffs of lawyers.

 

[oneshot86]

Sorry for all who have lost to the medical mistake plague. The 250,000 number you cite seems to be from John Hopkins and is probably part of the cover up. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html I think the "other sources" that cite 440,000 plus are closer but still low.

My mother died from a medical error during cancer treatment. A good friends father died when having a pace maker replaced due to the wrong program being installed in the pacemaker. The Cause of death listed for my mother is cancer, not a lazy nurse who left her strapped to drown in her own vomit. The COD for my friends father on his death cert is heart attack. They forgot to mention that his miss-programmed newly installed pacemaker shocked his heart interrupting normal rhythms 42 times in the six hours after he was released from the hospital with his new improved pacemaker, and the damage caused by that is what lead to his final heart attack.

Tell me another industry that is allowed to investigate and catalog its own mistakes without any outside oversight.... We need to lobby congress to create an independent agency that tracks medical outcomes and removes bad practitioners and bad practices from the health care industry.

AND, they get to regulate who and how many become doctors

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Depending on where you live, good luck with suing the hospital.

Not long ago my heighbors mom oround 85 years old went into UVA hospital and lay on a gurney for 8 hours while my neighbor tried to get someone to tend to her. She died early in the morning, alone.

My neighbors couldnt get any local attorneys to look at the suit so I found a top rated firm in DC. They got back in a day and said that trying to sue UVA was like trying to walk t the moon, it aint going to happen.

They have huge staffs of lawyers.

The same thing happened with my father's case when it was dropped by our lawyer too. That is why we are now taking the second approach: Publicize their shit and review the hell of them. People see it and spread it via word of mouth and online. In the letter that I sent to the misconduct board, I even emphasized that this was not to gather info for another lawsuit attempt but to expose and report on the conditions that led to his untimely death.

These facilities believe that having a large support base of legal staff makes them impervious to lawsuits, but in the day and age of electronic information sharing, there are other ways to ruin their reputation too.

 

[EchoDeltaSierra]

How Many Die from Medical Mistakes in U.S. Hospitals?

An updated estimate says it could be at least 210,000 patients a year, more than twice the number in a frequently quoted Institute of Medicine report

www.scientificamerican.com

Tragically unfortunate under reported fact.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[Maggot]

The same thing happened with my father's case when it was dropped by our lawyer too. That is why we are now taking the second approach: Publicize their shit and review the hell of them. People see it and spread it via word of mouth and online. In the letter that I sent to the misconduct board, I even emphasized that this was not an attempt to gather info for another lawsuit attempt but to expose and report on the conditions that led to his untimely death.

These facilities believe that having a large support base of legal staff makes them impervious to lawsuits, but in the day and age of electronic information sharing, there are other ways to ruin their reputation too.

Well done. Ill pass that thought along to my neighbors. I hate to say it as its my Alma Mater, but UVA hospital is a night mare situation. If yu dont have insurance its $250 before you see anyone, then sign a 2nd and 3rd mortgage on your home.

 

[diverdon]

In the case of my mother I used the term "lazy nurse" but even 32 years ago when it happened I really know that was not the case. She may have been five minutes late on her rounds, but that could be as easily ascribed to another patient needing extra care, or just having too many other things to do, or having to stop and take a shit. My mother was in the terminal phase of her cancer anyhow and would certianly have passed within another week or two at most. Sometimes I do feel anger at the nurses, the hospital, or the system. Sometimes I feel the anger at myself for not being there.

We should not hate the medical profession for their failures. For the most part they are doing the best they can to help us when we are in need. Many of their failures happen when we expect too much from them. The hospital system should not be able to force interns to work 36 hours straight. Swing shifts for nurses should be done away with, and there should be time off given every time a shift is changed.

I have worked in the auto industry. When our products quality no longer met consumer expectations, we had to change and apply rigorous statistical methodology to find the cause of problems, and remove the cause. We had to do this because our customer was not going to pay us more and if our product did not become better he was going to go with an import. We we forced to chose change or the destruction of our business.

But this cannot work in the healthcare industry. Very people really need to drive a Ford rather than a different brand (thank you to all those who chose Ford). But all of us need healthcare near to where we live. So there does have to be some outside accounting body that tracks outcomes for patients and rewards the winners, helps the average improve and gets the truly bad out of the profession.

 

[Fig]

Wait till health care is free. This will seem like nothing.

 

[Maggot]

In the case of my mother I used the term "lazy nurse" but even 32 years ago when it happened I really know that was not the case. She may have been five minutes late on her rounds, but that could be as easily ascribed to another patient needing extra care, or just having too many other things to do, or having to stop and take a shit. My mother was in the terminal phase of her cancer anyhow and would certianly have passed within another week or two at most. Sometimes I do feel anger at the nurses, the hospital, or the system. Sometimes I feel the anger at myself for not being there.

We should not hate the medical profession for their failures. For the most part they are doing the best they can to help us when we are in need. Many of their failures happen when we expect too much from them. The hospital system should not be able to force interns to work 36 hours straight. Swing shifts for nurses should be done away with, and there should be time off given every time a shift is changed.

I have worked in the auto industry. When our products quality no longer met consumer expectations, we had to change and apply rigorous statistical methodology to find the cause of problems, and remove the cause. We had to do this because our customer was not going to pay us more and if our product did not become better he was going to go with an import. We we forced to chose change or the destruction of our business.

But this cannot work in the healthcare industry. Very people really need to drive a Ford rather than a different brand (thank you to all those who chose Ford). But all of us need healthcare near to where we live. So there does have to be some outside accounting body that tracks outcomes for patients and rewards the winners, helps the average improve and gets the truly bad out of the profession.

Well said, glad youve calmed down from the other morning.

I think youre right, MOST are doing their best BUT:

My neighbors who I spoke of above just had a brother in UVA. He needed some attention and it took the sister 1/2 an hour to find a someone who spoke English. It is a big state university in a liberal town so I reckon there is pressure toward diversity, but damn its hard to do business if you cant communicate. Cost saving. I reckon.

 

[sharac]

I am afraid that we are going to see much more of this in the future.

Remember a decade ago i told you so?? Well where i come from BTDT and somehow you fuckers managed to copy/paste entire Europe history...

PS: Must be something linked to mass exodus of "inteligentsia" from Europe to new lands to the west after 1492...

 

[7.62willdo]

They call it “Practicing” medicine for a reason, they don’t want any level of accountability...

 

[Snuby642]

Had a doctor mess up a dissectomy on my back.
Looking at post OP MRI was evident even to me.
Doc said we would try again .
I said won't be any we you are fired.
Told me I could not fire him

When you are looking for a new patient and not getting paid look up the definition of fired while I register a formal complaint with the ama.

As long as you don't kill anyone that is rich there are no consequences or shits given at all.

 

[diverdon]

Well said, glad youve calmed down from the other morning.

You are not on the list of people from whom I seek feedback on my emotional state. Just Sayin...

 

[Maggot]

You are not on the list of people from whom I seek feedback on my emotional state. Just Sayin...

That hurts very deeply. I may not recover. ?

 

[Va_Gentleman]

Depending on where you live, good luck with suing the hospital.

Not long ago my heighbors mom oround 85 years old went into UVA hospital and lay on a gurney for 8 hours while my neighbor tried to get someone to tend to her. She died early in the morning, alone.

My neighbors couldnt get any local attorneys to look at the suit so I found a top rated firm in DC. They got back in a day and said that trying to sue UVA was like trying to walk t the moon, it aint going to happen.

They have huge staffs of lawyers.

^^^^ UVA is terrible for this and I saw very similar behavior in their Oncology Dept with my Mother. It's like they have a free reign to further their research interest without the accountability of patient care.

You are right on the nail.... If you have a huge staff of Lawyers, there must be a damn good reason.

 

[PPB]

Sorry for your loss

 

[earthquake]

I've known several people now that have died in recovery after simple out-patient procedures.

My 6 yo daughter has been undergoing spine surgery every six months since she was three. She has MRI's in between. My wife and I are a wreck every time it happens.

She has NF1 but their first diagnosis was, "she has cancer"...so they put a broviac catheter into her heart for the chemo, then once the biopsy was back..."Oops, it's not cancer... we'll get those tubes out of her chest for ya next month...so sorry!"

Meanwhile we had to prep the ends and flush the lines every day so she wouldn't die of blood poisoning. It's all I could do to keep from destroying that place. We changed hospitals. Fuck those people.