Rifle for home defense. What Caliber?

[Redmanss]

Look at those big internet muscles .

Yawn….

I’m going to bed with my doors unlocked and windows open. The rest of this thread is debating rifle caliber choice and barrier penetration to defend against multiple home invaders.

They failed in the location, location, location part of home selection. If they want peaceful sleep, they need to rethink where they live, not SCAR 16 vs 17.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Look at those big internet muscles .

I'm not sure that I agree with your comment. I can't speak for @Redmanss directly of course but the way I read his comment was more so as a societal deterioration type of remark rather than him "flexing his internet muscles". It's not like he said he sleeps well at night because he keeps a 44 magnum under his pillow rather what I read at least, was that the problem is the neighborhood you're living in (and truth be told I may be putting my own bias into that interpretation because I'm in a similar position and actively trying to move onto greener pastures) so there's that.

I will say that 2 generations ago, on my father's side, his parents/my grandparents lived in a small coal town in central Pennsylvania. Well it's small now but at the time it was a bit of a hub for coal mining and railroads. Of course the mining stopped being profitable using the methods the town the inhabitants were employed for and they industry went to strip mining instead.

Well the town essentially died a rather abrupt death and going back to visit my father's hometown is somewhat depressing anymore because you can see what used to be rather opulent houses in their heyday just left to rot.

Anywho, I went on a tangent/side path there- the point I was trying to get to was up until the 70's or 80's, my grandparents never even had a lock on their door, not that they didn't use it but it just wasn't a thing for that area. Before then- probably the most scandalous story that existed in that town was somebody hobbled down from the local bar 3 sheets to the wind and somehow found himself going down the coal shoot and ending up in somebody's basement and scaring the bejesus out of the home owner when somebody was stumbling up their basement steps trying to work the basement door.

Well somewhere between the 70's-80's, a murder occurred a town or so over and it was such a foreign event that my father's hometown panicked and everyone purchased and installed deadbolt locks for the first time...Not sure where I'm going with this story other than to give @Redmanss some credit for what I perceive he was getting at.

-LD

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Wouldn't the bad guys know they’re on your property right away?

Would that not depend upon where you live?

 

[LRRPF52]

Yawn….

I’m going to bed with my doors unlocked and windows open. The rest of this thread is debating rifle caliber choice and barrier penetration to defend against multiple home invaders.

They failed in the location, location, location part of home selection. If they want peaceful sleep, they need to rethink where they live, not SCAR 16 vs 17.

"Investigators say the source of the conflagration was an errant cigarette not put out when the homeowner fell asleep.

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms have been called in to assist local authorities with their inspection of what’s left of the home, as there were secondary fires caused by what they think were more flammables. In other news, Tailor Swift comes out as...."

 

[Redmanss]

"Investigators say the source of the conflagration was an errant cigarette not put out when the homeowner fell asleep.

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms have been called in to assist local authorities with their inspection of what’s left of the home, as there were secondary fires caused by what they think were more flammables. In other news, Tailor Swift comes out as...."

I’m pretty boring. Anyone looking into me is bobbing for dicks trying to stay awake.

If they had any issues with me, they would have dug them up while investigating the dozen EPSQ and e-QIPs I’ve submitted over the years.

 

[muzzleloader]

10 mm carbine count? May need a contractor afterwards for the home repairs, lol

 

[tucaz]

I'd think minimizing overpenetration would be a consideration in home defense...

if someone is coming through my door or all ready in the house past my sentry guards, i want full penetration, exit wounds are a must. the rest of the house will stop the bullet.

308 mk319 should fit that billing.

 

[Soulezoo]

I'd think minimizing overpenetration would be a consideration in home defense...

He's already got that nailed down.

 

[LRRPF52]

I’m pretty boring. Anyone looking into me is bobbing for dicks trying to stay awake.

If they had any issues with me, they would have dug them up while investigating the dozen EPSQ and e-QIPs I’ve submitted over the years.

Those were compromised by Hillary when she was SECSTATE and handed over to the Chicoms and Russians, so you’re probably good unless you like ordering Chinese take-out.

 

[Redmanss]

Those were compromised by Hillary when she was SECSTATE and handed over to the Chicoms and Russians, so you’re probably good unless you like ordering Chinese take-out.

The OPM breach happened in 2015, Kerry was SecState then. Same-Same though.

Chinese food is fucking disgusting too. It's like they cook the noodles under a Permian Basin gusher.

 

[LRRPF52]

The OPM breach happened in 2015, Kerry was SecState then. Same-Same though.

Chinese food is fucking disgusting too. It's like they cook the noodles under a Permian Basin gusher.

Guess who sat on the board of Rosemont Seneca with Hunter Biden?

Chris Heinz, John Kerry’s stepson. Funny how they received a $3.5 million wire from Russian sex-trafficking billionaire Elena Baturina in Feb, 2014, wouldn’t you say.

Who’s brave enough to trust that OPM isn’t an open hack now?

 

[cast1]

Trying to refocus the question…I guess I’m saying you’re now occasionally seeing home invaders wear body armor etc and work in groups. Home invasions are at least in my area very rare thankfully, so improvised LE stack type home invasions would hopefully be purely theoretical lol. I wouldn’t tailor my choice based on the number of Sheetrock layers behind the invader. Hopefully I’m able to recall the direction of my kids’ bedrooms. I’m just wondering if there’s any merit to considering something with more KE at very close ranges vs lower recoil (shootability) and higher round count of a 5.56.

 

[diggler1833]

Trying to refocus the question…I guess I’m saying you’re now occasionally seeing home invaders wear body armor etc and work in groups. Home invasions are at least in my area very rare thankfully, so improvised LE stack type home invasions would hopefully be purely theoretical lol. I wouldn’t tailor my choice based on the number of Sheetrock layers behind the invader. Hopefully I’m able to recall the direction of my kids’ bedrooms. I’m just wondering if there’s any merit to considering something with more KE at very close ranges vs lower recoil (shootability) and higher round count of a 5.56.

i don't personally think so. If anything, that would be an incentive *for me* to ensure that I had a full 30 round mag and was mentally prepared to shoot as many times as needed until the threat went down. Lobbing a big heavy bullet and expecting it to take 'the bad guy' off his feet is 1911/.45 ideology from a decade plus ago (and I say that as a 1911 fan).

*****

Home invasions in my area are very rare, but property theft and break-ins are not. Usually it is more than one guy involved, and my guess is that since everyone out here carrys a gun in their vehicle - that they'll be armed too. Therefore, you can expect the likelihood of an exchange of fire to increase should you catch them.

A police response is 30 minutes away at an absolute minimum, and probably closer to 45-60. There are literally only two officers on duty in this county at any point in time.

I'm not worried about being invaded by hordes of meth heads, but I do think that planning for the worst case scenario (multiple home invaders) is better than preparing for a single meth head who is just trying to take my lawnmower or a few tools out of my shop...Something about 'better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener in a war' comes to mind...and that applies to your choice of home defense firearm as well.

^ That is why I want bonded bullets in a very manageable rifle platform. *My situation* is far different from many. If I lived in a built up urban environment (especially a crowded apartment complex), I would definitely have a different setup.

Too many situations for a one-size-fits-all answer, but I can't think of one where I'd rather have a 450 Bushmaster (or equivalent) and 10 rounds over a 5.56 and 30.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I guess I’m saying you’re now occasionally seeing home invaders wear body armor etc and work in groups.

Reason some train with pistols to 25yds, for face/head shots only.

 

[Rio Precision Gunworks]

Trying to refocus the question…I guess I’m saying you’re now occasionally seeing home invaders wear body armor etc and work in groups. Home invasions are at least in my area very rare thankfully, so improvised LE stack type home invasions would hopefully be purely theoretical lol. I wouldn’t tailor my choice based on the number of Sheetrock layers behind the invader. Hopefully I’m able to recall the direction of my kids’ bedrooms. I’m just wondering if there’s any merit to considering something with more KE at very close ranges vs lower recoil (shootability) and higher round count of a 5.56.

I don't mean this offensively at all. If you "hopefully" will be able to recall the direction of your kid's room......train more. Combat stress does weird shit. For example, some of the guys on the UBL raid didn't "see" the chopper down in the courtyard even though they moved right past it during the assault. And those are season tier 1 guys. So, pretty easy for anyone without that much training to get turned around in their own home. Which is another reason I prefer suppressed 300blk subs. Anything you can do to lesson any stimulus will help you prevent tunnel vision and exclusion.

Also, plans go to shit immediately. So, you never know if your family is going to stay where you want them to stay (and sometimes, they can't, depending on the situation).

But, as pointed out several times in the thread, there's really nothing out there that isn't going to blow through multiple walls. So your best course of action is to not miss.


As far as armor, it's fairly easy with training to become very proficient at upper thoracic and head shots with .556 and 300blk. And even if they are wearing armor, most aren't going to respond well when several rounds hit them in their plates. If you're somehow against a person/s that is trained well enough to take multiple .556 impacts to the plate and continue fighting proficiently, you're likely in for a bad day if its just you protecting your home.

 

[cast1]

Ok. 50BMG for me then.

That look when a home invader realizes he’s picked a house protected by Barrett…

 

[SilentStalkr]

I have a suppressed 10.5" 300 blk with 220's in a 30rd mag. The people talking about a stack with body armor are being ridiculous. If you've ever seen what a trained stack in body armor can do, you'd know that the best thing you can do in that situation is negotiate a surrender. Wear the bracelets. You're going to die if you fight. If an entry team comes for you, they will have flash bangs for sure, and potentially a dozen other interesting ways to dominate the space. Throw down your gun and follow the instructions. Unless you are ready to go, then aim for the knees. Nobody is in the fight once their knees have been blown apart.

What if it’s a HIT team trying to kill you instead? You heard the news lately?

Some of you need to worry less about what rifle you need for HD, and concern yourself more with why you live in a shit hole where you need a suppressed rifle with spare mags at the ready for home invasion defense.

See above. You don’t have to be in a shithole for the alphabeti to come for you. Just ask Trump.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

AR pistol in 300 BO using subsonic ammo

 

[Sniperwannabee]

I have.

Me too

 

[DocRDS]

Home Defense? I'd go with 155 mm artillery.
Or the 300 Norma Mag Machine Gun. Get your fields of fire set though.

 

[Redmanss]

What if it’s a HIT team trying to kill you instead? You heard the news lately?


See above. You don’t have to be in a shithole for the alphabeti to come for you. Just ask Trump.

I’m not running for president. I’m not even running for dog catcher.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I’m not running for president. I’m not even running for dog catcher.

I think he is describing a white collar professional in Arkansas

 

[Redmanss]

I think he is describing a white collar professional in Arkansas

No, he was referencing my post with Trump getting raided. But for that one, I don’t sell guns either.

I also set the cruise control to the speed limit and call in a dig ticket to plant a tree.

Just because I don’t wear a ghillie for a living anymore, doesn’t mean I don’t know how to maintain a low profile.

 

[45-90]

For home defense?
The 8.6 Blackout AR 10 built light and short with a 3 twist barrel....No muzzle device!

Tested....225 gr lead bullets explode in a wide twisting circle of copper and lead fragments, will not over penetrate but cover the whole hall top to bottom, and side to side.
One shot, cannot miss...as long as it's the correct general direction.
It will cover toes, testicles, tummy, teeth, and eyeballs in one shot. Plus their accomplices on either side, will be hit too.
And the blast will light up the darkness so you can see the assailants crumple in pain and agony.
So finish them with a large knife, or a muzzle contact blast to the head from your 8.6 Blackout, supersonic lead loads, guaranteed to to explode soon as they leave the confines of the barrel.

 

[748rpilot]

I’m not running for president. I’m not even running for dog catcher.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I think he is describing a white collar professional in Arkansas

This! And there is more...

No, he was referencing my post with Trump getting raided. But for that one, I don’t sell guns either.

I also set the cruise control to the speed limit and call in a dig ticket to plant a tree.

Just because I don’t wear a ghillie for a living anymore, doesn’t mean I don’t know how to maintain a low profile.

I was also referencing the white collar professional.