I've searched for the past hour looking for an old post of someone putting together a rifle with great parts, good glass, and it was really nice looking. I was interested in finding the article and seeing what could be improved upon for a few dollars and holding a discussion. I think it was a .308 with a howa action, remington parts, aftermarket stock, could have sworn it was on this site. Ring a bell?
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Rifle on a budget...
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Re: Rifle on a budget...
Just go buy any off the shelf Savage 10FP, add a Bell and Carlson stock and install the Bushnell stock they list in that site and it will shoot better than the Howa rig hands down. You'll have the exact same price or even a hundred less in your total build.
Good luck,
Merritt
Just go buy any off the shelf Savage 10FP, add a Bell and Carlson stock and install the Bushnell stock they list in that site and it will shoot better than the Howa rig hands down. You'll have the exact same price or even a hundred less in your total build.
Good luck,
Merritt
Re: Rifle on a budget...
LoneWolfUSMC Is putting together some articles on a entry level rem700.
If it was me getting into it all over I would buy a
Rem 700 Tactical
Quality 20moa base and rings
Harris 6-9 BRMS Bipod
Bushnell elite 4200 6-24x50
You'd be near the same price as that package with way better glass and a better bipod.
Put 5 or 6000 rounds through it and you'll have figured out what you'd really like in a rifle and what fits you.
Thats about where I'm at with my SPS-T and what I wanted to end up has changed and evolved as I've shot the rifle more and more.
No need to improve the stock right away. How do you know you wont hate the stock on that Howa once you get behind it?
LoneWolfUSMC Is putting together some articles on a entry level rem700.
If it was me getting into it all over I would buy a
Rem 700 Tactical
Quality 20moa base and rings
Harris 6-9 BRMS Bipod
Bushnell elite 4200 6-24x50
You'd be near the same price as that package with way better glass and a better bipod.
Put 5 or 6000 rounds through it and you'll have figured out what you'd really like in a rifle and what fits you.
Thats about where I'm at with my SPS-T and what I wanted to end up has changed and evolved as I've shot the rifle more and more.
No need to improve the stock right away. How do you know you wont hate the stock on that Howa once you get behind it?
Re: Rifle on a budget...
Well I'm about 7 boxes in the howa 3-4 different brands to try and find what it likes, trouble is I haven't found anything it isn't accurate or consistent with... The stock isn't bad it's adjustable in cheek weld as well as stock length. I've got a Harris Hb25s 12-25" as I like to try for the Occasional coydog. I am off to search the suggestions, thanks so far everyone.
I have a rem 700 7mm mag and I really like shooting it. It's got a 4x12x40 that's decent for what it is. Bushnell
Well I'm about 7 boxes in the howa 3-4 different brands to try and find what it likes, trouble is I haven't found anything it isn't accurate or consistent with... The stock isn't bad it's adjustable in cheek weld as well as stock length. I've got a Harris Hb25s 12-25" as I like to try for the Occasional coydog. I am off to search the suggestions, thanks so far everyone.
I have a rem 700 7mm mag and I really like shooting it. It's got a 4x12x40 that's decent for what it is. Bushnell
Re: Rifle on a budget...
i had a howa 1500 and it shot lights out with black hills and federal 168 gr match.
i put a B&C medalist stock on mine and it was a sub-moa rifle.
i don't know how you're shooting your groups, but try shooting them off a bag (any bipod, especially yours, will flex)
i had a howa 1500 and it shot lights out with black hills and federal 168 gr match.
i put a B&C medalist stock on mine and it was a sub-moa rifle.
i don't know how you're shooting your groups, but try shooting them off a bag (any bipod, especially yours, will flex)
Re: Rifle on a budget...
I still think it's pretty cool for a site to put together a package deal for new shooters. It can be overwhelming for a new guy to try and put everything together, and I think it's a great start.
I still think it's pretty cool for a site to put together a package deal for new shooters. It can be overwhelming for a new guy to try and put everything together, and I think it's a great start.
Re: Rifle on a budget...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mwroseberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just go buy any off the shelf Savage 10FP, add a Bell and Carlson stock and install the Bushnell stock they list in that site and it will shoot better than the Howa rig hands down. You'll have the exact same price or even a hundred less in your total build.
Good luck,
Merritt </div></div>
Or spend a couple more dollars on a Savage F/TR and he's all set to compete.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mwroseberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just go buy any off the shelf Savage 10FP, add a Bell and Carlson stock and install the Bushnell stock they list in that site and it will shoot better than the Howa rig hands down. You'll have the exact same price or even a hundred less in your total build.
Good luck,
Merritt </div></div>
Or spend a couple more dollars on a Savage F/TR and he's all set to compete.
Re: Rifle on a budget...
I'm looking at the model 12F, is it safe to bet on a "shelf" gun? I've often been intrested in Savage just never looked too closely in fear of sudden purchase lol. Looking at what I think is my next caliber...308 What would be the 1st things to change on it with a smith? How does this thing really perform under normal 3-500yd conditions? I'd love some feed back as to get going for 1-1.5k
I'm looking at the model 12F, is it safe to bet on a "shelf" gun? I've often been intrested in Savage just never looked too closely in fear of sudden purchase lol. Looking at what I think is my next caliber...308 What would be the 1st things to change on it with a smith? How does this thing really perform under normal 3-500yd conditions? I'd love some feed back as to get going for 1-1.5k
Re: Rifle on a budget...
Here is what I did for my "budget banger" rifle;
$630 Rem 700 AAC-SD
$200 Bushnell 3200 10x Mil/Mil (from Midway)
$30 Weaver 20 MOA picatinny base
$40 Burris tactical rings
$30 KRG bolt lift (optional, not necessary)
And a bipod I already had laying around.
I still have the Hogue stock on it for now. It works fine once you dremel it out a bit so the barrel doesn't make contact. I may put on a take-off stock at some point if I decide to drop the cash for one.
Here is what I did for my "budget banger" rifle;
$630 Rem 700 AAC-SD
$200 Bushnell 3200 10x Mil/Mil (from Midway)
$30 Weaver 20 MOA picatinny base
$40 Burris tactical rings
$30 KRG bolt lift (optional, not necessary)
And a bipod I already had laying around.
I still have the Hogue stock on it for now. It works fine once you dremel it out a bit so the barrel doesn't make contact. I may put on a take-off stock at some point if I decide to drop the cash for one.
Re: Rifle on a budget...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hkustoms</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking at the model 12F, is it safe to bet on a "shelf" gun? I've often been intrested in Savage just never looked too closely in fear of sudden purchase lol. Looking at what I think is my next caliber...308 What would be the 1st things to change on it with a smith? How does this thing really perform under normal 3-500yd conditions? I'd love some feed back as to get going for 1-1.5k </div></div>
With a smith personally I would ditch the accutrigger. I prefer a rifle basix and I believe it's just a bit more reliable. I would get a muzzle brake and have a smith thread your barrel for it. A brake is not as much for recoil reduction as much as it's for making sure your barrel doesn't rise on a shot so you can be your own spotter and call your own corrections. I would make sure as a beginner in the long range game you get a fixed power scope, as you will be able to use the mil dots for corrections onto target. Here is my suggested parts list.
Savage 12F - ~450-475
EGW 20MOA base 30.00
Burris Tactical Extreme low rings 50.00
16x42 SS 300.00 (you can go with a 10x42 tactical elite bushnell for 100 less here)
Options for upgrades/recommendations:
Rifle basix 90.00
B&C Medalist or Stockade 230.00
Barrel threading and muzzle brake installed 140-230.00 (being able to call your own spots and not needing a spotter is priceless in some competitions or while hunting)
Lee Reloading kit 120.00
Feel free to PM me for any tips or questions you might have.
Good luck,
Merritt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hkustoms</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking at the model 12F, is it safe to bet on a "shelf" gun? I've often been intrested in Savage just never looked too closely in fear of sudden purchase lol. Looking at what I think is my next caliber...308 What would be the 1st things to change on it with a smith? How does this thing really perform under normal 3-500yd conditions? I'd love some feed back as to get going for 1-1.5k </div></div>
With a smith personally I would ditch the accutrigger. I prefer a rifle basix and I believe it's just a bit more reliable. I would get a muzzle brake and have a smith thread your barrel for it. A brake is not as much for recoil reduction as much as it's for making sure your barrel doesn't rise on a shot so you can be your own spotter and call your own corrections. I would make sure as a beginner in the long range game you get a fixed power scope, as you will be able to use the mil dots for corrections onto target. Here is my suggested parts list.
Savage 12F - ~450-475
EGW 20MOA base 30.00
Burris Tactical Extreme low rings 50.00
16x42 SS 300.00 (you can go with a 10x42 tactical elite bushnell for 100 less here)
Options for upgrades/recommendations:
Rifle basix 90.00
B&C Medalist or Stockade 230.00
Barrel threading and muzzle brake installed 140-230.00 (being able to call your own spots and not needing a spotter is priceless in some competitions or while hunting)
Lee Reloading kit 120.00
Feel free to PM me for any tips or questions you might have.
Good luck,
Merritt
Re: Rifle on a budget...
After adding up the above, using the cheaper estimates, I came up with a total of $1290 W/O the Lee reloader.
My selection:
Savage 12 Long Range Precision .260 Rem chambering, List $1081, Retail perhaps as low as $866. This includes Accu-Trigger, HS Precision stock, and all the proverbial 'nicely equipped options'. I would leave all of that exactly as boxed and call it upgraded.
EGW 20MOA base 30.00
Burris Tactical Extreme low rings 50.00
Exactly as above.
Tasco 6-24x42 MilDot Varmint/Tactical scope, around $80 (Model VAR624X42M, I know, I know, it's a Trashco. But this one is OK, believe me, I have four.) It's just fine as a starter scope for LR shooting.
$120 for the Lee Reloader.
Total $1146, even adding the Lee Reloader, using the lowest advertised retail price, and this is for acompletely factory standard warranteed rifle with an HS Precision stock.
With the .260 chambering and the 26" barrel, you're well out beyond 1000 yards with a completely resellable, very capable rifle. Muzzle brake? Puleez! If you really need a steady scope image, try my technique for using a bipod and a sling. Steady enough to watch trace.
As for the scope, it will work well enough until the budget allows better, but you may like it well enough to just leave it in place.
That's what I did. Then I bought three more.
Greg
After adding up the above, using the cheaper estimates, I came up with a total of $1290 W/O the Lee reloader.
My selection:
Savage 12 Long Range Precision .260 Rem chambering, List $1081, Retail perhaps as low as $866. This includes Accu-Trigger, HS Precision stock, and all the proverbial 'nicely equipped options'. I would leave all of that exactly as boxed and call it upgraded.
EGW 20MOA base 30.00
Burris Tactical Extreme low rings 50.00
Exactly as above.
Tasco 6-24x42 MilDot Varmint/Tactical scope, around $80 (Model VAR624X42M, I know, I know, it's a Trashco. But this one is OK, believe me, I have four.) It's just fine as a starter scope for LR shooting.
$120 for the Lee Reloader.
Total $1146, even adding the Lee Reloader, using the lowest advertised retail price, and this is for acompletely factory standard warranteed rifle with an HS Precision stock.
With the .260 chambering and the 26" barrel, you're well out beyond 1000 yards with a completely resellable, very capable rifle. Muzzle brake? Puleez! If you really need a steady scope image, try my technique for using a bipod and a sling. Steady enough to watch trace.
As for the scope, it will work well enough until the budget allows better, but you may like it well enough to just leave it in place.
That's what I did. Then I bought three more.
Greg
Re: Rifle on a budget...
I can't tell much difference between it and most others at the same magnification. IMHO, mirage takes place outside the scope, so I don't see how a different scope changes the effects. Focus distance seems to make more differnce than most anything else, IMHO.
And then again, I <span style="font-style: italic">like</span> mirage; it's kinda useful for getting wind input by focusing at the various intermediate distances. In that respect, I don't think this Tasco is any better, or worse, than other scopes.
The (this model?) Tasco's drawback appears to be about image brightness. It's not as bright as the top end scopes. For me, not such a big deal. I find I don't notice such things until the light gets really dim, though; and really, I'm usually off the range by then anyway.
Focus on in to 15Yd, 75+MOA of adjustment, 1/4 MOA clicks, covered, resetable target knobs; I find it hard not to get interested in these scopes. When it's finally replaced, it's right at home on the .22LR trainer. My four are on 1. my 10FP .260 F Class custom, my M70 lightweight .30-'06 hunter, and a pair of .22LR's, an accurized 10/22, and my Plain Jane Savage MKIIF. Getting a bit past 5 years old so far, and every problem I thought was the scope turned out to be me. Funny about that, seems to be a bit of it goin' 'round...
Greg
I can't tell much difference between it and most others at the same magnification. IMHO, mirage takes place outside the scope, so I don't see how a different scope changes the effects. Focus distance seems to make more differnce than most anything else, IMHO.
And then again, I <span style="font-style: italic">like</span> mirage; it's kinda useful for getting wind input by focusing at the various intermediate distances. In that respect, I don't think this Tasco is any better, or worse, than other scopes.
The (this model?) Tasco's drawback appears to be about image brightness. It's not as bright as the top end scopes. For me, not such a big deal. I find I don't notice such things until the light gets really dim, though; and really, I'm usually off the range by then anyway.
Focus on in to 15Yd, 75+MOA of adjustment, 1/4 MOA clicks, covered, resetable target knobs; I find it hard not to get interested in these scopes. When it's finally replaced, it's right at home on the .22LR trainer. My four are on 1. my 10FP .260 F Class custom, my M70 lightweight .30-'06 hunter, and a pair of .22LR's, an accurized 10/22, and my Plain Jane Savage MKIIF. Getting a bit past 5 years old so far, and every problem I thought was the scope turned out to be me. Funny about that, seems to be a bit of it goin' 'round...
Greg
Re: Rifle on a budget...
I built this 1000 yard rifle on what you'd call a budget. A while back, (long time back) I bought "6" model 70 actions for $235. So the action cost about $39 bucks. I bought a douglas premium barrel (unturned blank) for $80 bucks. The stock was a heavy bushop semi inleted stock, $70. Weaver Rings for $9. I had the Weaver T-10 I got in a trade (for what I don't remember). For irons I took the Redfield Olympics off my H&R 5200. Did all the work my self so the rifle cost right at $200. This was my 1000 yard any-rifle any sight and any rifle rifle iron sight rifle when I shot for the NG. I've shot some pretty good 1000 yard scores and it shoots good today. I made the barrel 29 inches so I could set it back a time or two when the throat goes.
I'm not one that believes that you need to have a multi thousand dollar gun to be competitive, though cheap, this rifle shot a hell of a lot better then I did.
I built this 1000 yard rifle on what you'd call a budget. A while back, (long time back) I bought "6" model 70 actions for $235. So the action cost about $39 bucks. I bought a douglas premium barrel (unturned blank) for $80 bucks. The stock was a heavy bushop semi inleted stock, $70. Weaver Rings for $9. I had the Weaver T-10 I got in a trade (for what I don't remember). For irons I took the Redfield Olympics off my H&R 5200. Did all the work my self so the rifle cost right at $200. This was my 1000 yard any-rifle any sight and any rifle rifle iron sight rifle when I shot for the NG. I've shot some pretty good 1000 yard scores and it shoots good today. I made the barrel 29 inches so I could set it back a time or two when the throat goes.
I'm not one that believes that you need to have a multi thousand dollar gun to be competitive, though cheap, this rifle shot a hell of a lot better then I did.
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