Gunsmithing Robert Gradous's Tactical Rifle Gunsmithing Class

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I thought you guys might be interested in hearing about my experience taking a tactical rifle gunsmithing class with Robert Gradous.



<span style="font-weight: bold">Robert Gradous Rifles Gunsmithing Class
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Tactical Rifle build parts list:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*] Surgeon short action repeater[*] 5C MTU contour 7.5 twist in .243[*] Detachable Bottom Metal[*] HVR Trigger[*] A-5 stock with adjustable cheek piece woodlands camo[/list]

A special thanks of appreciation to Preston Pritchett and all the people at Surgeon Rifles, Inc. for the Action, Bottom metal, Jewell HVR trigger and McMillan stock. Additionally, Tim North at Broughton Barrels who sent two barrels. Without help from these great people this project wouldn’t have been possible.

IMG_0317-1.jpg


Day One: Meet and greet.

I met up with Bill Zollo and followed him to Robert Gradous’s workshop. After introductions and a full tour of the facilities, we all piled into Robert’s truck with his son’s hunting rifle and headed to a field a half mile away that had a 4’x4’ steel plate. Robert started off and shot at the plate 500 yards away using his driver’s mirror as a rest. Robert wanted to give me the full comforts of a Texas deer shoot, so he let me follow his lead and shoot off his mirror too. Later, Robert and I went back to his shop and went over the next days schedule. We stayed awhile going over all the parts that we were going to be working with; barrel, action, stock, bottom metal and trigger. We made the necessary measurements that we will need, so that first thing the following day we are on the lathe making cuts.

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IMG_0280.jpg



Day Two: First day of the rifle build. Barrel work.

I meet Robert at his shop at 7:00 am to start the build. First things first, we cleaned his already spotless “surgeons operation room” he calls his workshop. This necessary part didn’t take long and after the lathe was cleaned we inserted the Broughton barrel to get it lined up. Robert explained every component, every tool, and every step we did as well as the reasons behind it. The barrel took around 15 - 20 min. to get positioned in the lathe perfect. We went over the dimensions of the cuts that we were going to make, again, to double check our measurements from the previous night. Robert explained how the lathe works with all the controls, knobs, gears and levers. He stood real close and watched me perform the tasks he was instructing me to make. Robert made me feel real comfortable over the lathe. When it was time to perform a task on the barrel that required some real skill, Robert and I switched places. Robert cut the threads on the barrel after I cut down the barrel to the dimensions we needed. After we had the barrel ready for chambering, we needed a break to get ready for the most challenging and stressful part of the barrel build. After lunch, Robert rolled up his sleeves and 3 hours later the barrel was chambered, bore scoped and measured. Robert was a happy man. The barrel was perfect. Perfect. If I gave the dimensions of what the test indicators read, Robert said nobody would believe it. Nobody. I really wished we had a movie camera to prove what those test indicators read. We double checked all the dimensions of what was needed on the chambering end of the barrel before removing the barrel and turning it around so we could put on the crown. Both Robert and I discussed the length of barrel and decided to cut it to 26”. Robert said, the crown was the most critical part of the barrel after a perfect chamber, and I was going to make all the cuts. Robert stood real close and talked me through the entire process. Robert made one initial cut on the inside of the bore as his only cut on the crown. I was pretty happy with the end result.

IMG_0282-1.jpg


IMG_0287.jpg


IMG_0323.jpg


IMG_0306-1.jpg


Day Three: Cerakote and Stock bedding.

We met at 7:00 am sharp and gathered all the components for the rifle build. The stock came with small pillars already in the stock, however, after a conversation with Surgeon, we decided on replacing them with the large ones supplied by Surgeon. We went over all the parts looking for problems that would need to be addressed. After putting the rifle together several times we went to work. We cut out the old pillars, and prepped all the metal pieces that were going to be coated with cerakote. The cerakote process was applied after all the metal was cleaned, surface was pure, heated then cooled and hung on hangers to be painted. After all the pieces were coated, they were returned to the oven and baked. When the parts came out of the oven, we put the rifle back together to see any potential problems that would need to be addressed. You get the point. I don’t recall the exact number of times that we put the rifle together looking for issues. Robert wasn’t satisfied with the bottom metal cerakote coating and wanted to do it again. We decided to do it after we bedded the stock. At the end of the day, the stock was bedded and all metal coated. So we called it a night and closed up shop.

IMG_0322-1-1.jpg


Day Four: Clean-up bedding and final assembly.

We met again at 7:00 am sharp. Robert was already in the shop as he couldn’t wait to pull the stock off the barreled action to look at our bedding work. We were met in the shop by Bill Zollo like the previous days as he just got off work from his other job. I don’t know how the man does it. Bill took some photos and performed some business work for the class then left us to get some work done. We took the stock over to the milling machine and cut out all the bedding that we didn’t need or want. This was a pretty neat process. After the machine work on the stock, we did the rest by hand. We fell behind schedule by the time lunch rolled around with all the distractions going on in the shop. Robert was understandably flustered by the loss of time and where we were on the schedule and where we needed to be. Robert and I went to lunch and made a game plan to get back on schedule. When we returned to the shop we went over the morning work and anything that I needed to review; at a more accelerated pace then that of the morning. Time was now our enemy and we had to get through this day back on track. Robert had me get the trigger instructions and tell him how I would adjust the trigger. With his observation, I put the trigger on the stock and adjusted it until it was exactly what I wanted. In the afternoon, we had also stripped the bottom metal of cerakote and went through the process of re-coating it. This proved problematic as I had convinced Robert to coat the metal in a green not black color. He had Olive drab in the shop and I wanted a lighter color. Robert added Battleship Gray to the Olive Drab to lighten in up. For all the metal pieces this application was successful, however, on the bottom metal with all the angles used in coating the results were less than satisfactory to Robert. He worked tirelessly to understand why, and even an initial phone call to NIC Industries didn’t result in a solution. We ran a test on the Battleship Gray coating without mixing it with Olive Drab and the results were exactly what we were looking for. We decided to buy the color that NIC Industries has already and proceed with the build. Robert cleaned and prepared the barrel for the following days break-in procedure.

IMG_0326-1.jpg


Day Five: Barrel break-in.

Robert met me at our usual time and we went over the days plans of breaking in the barrel. This was where we would see if we have a broken gun or a shooter. Robert preached all week that a gun is considered broken to him until he sees it shoot. We mounted an existing scope I had and took it to the reloading room. I pre-loaded a fire-forming load before I arrived in Georgia, as I didn’t want to waste time while at the class. I used a slow powder that didn’t result a complete burn in the 26” barrel. I followed Robert’s instructions to the letter for the break-in procedure. The rifle didn’t take long to reveal the real beauty of this build. The gun proved to “Not be Broken.” With a fire-forming load using a less than ideal powder; resulting in the shoulder of the Ackley Improved case not to be 100% formed, the rifle shot very tiny groups. I can’t tell you how happy both Robert and I are.


Conclusion.


This class was more than I ever thought that it was going to be. I left the class with knowledge that I didn’t have previous and gained an insight to what a highly talented gunsmith can do. I had a great time and feel the one on one instruction couldn’t have been a better way to learn the art of gunsmithing. One week isn’t enough training to start to do this alone, however, it does allow me to have a better understanding of all the aspects of a tactical rifle build. I don’t have a specific load developed for this rifle as of this writing, but I truly believe that when I do I will have a 1000 yard tactical rifle that could run with anyones rifle. If you can’t take Robert Gradous’s Gunsmithing Class, I would strongly recommend you consider him for your rifle build. I couldn’t be happier with the rifle we built together and look forward to the other rifles he builds for me.

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So this cat let you stick around and piddle and explain while he essientially built your rifle?

If I am right that would be pretty cool to get to do


And your right you could do surgery in that shop, just looked at his website and damn that is clean
 
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Poke,

More like a team project. Robert and I built it. One to one instructor to student ratio. I got my hands dirty and put tools to parts too...under the instruction and guidance of Robert.
 
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I've been fortunate enough to get to spend quite a bit of time with Robert, but not fortunate enough to spend a week and complete a entire rifle build. He is dedicated to perfecting every little detail on a sniper rifle. I've seen him redo(if that's a word) things that had a thousandths too much stress or a tenth too much runnout. I think his rifles are as close to flawless as you can buy. I am pinching my pennies to take this class.
 
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I dont even want to think of the cost. I remember a sign a now retired smith had hanging in his office regarding rates of pay, $50 an hour for general labor, $75 if you watched and $100 if you helped.
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Awesome. I bet we won't see this rifle on the "FOrSale" section ever. WHat an oppurtunity, good for you and good for him for having this available.
TLFW,
how much machining experiene did you have before this project?
 
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What you see is exactly how that shop looks all the time. I should know, I help keep it that way. Robert builds really accurate rifles but leaves the shotguns to me. Something about too many parts.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackinfl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
TLFW,
how much machining experiene did you have before this project?
</div></div>

None.
 
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Wow, that has to be one of the cleanest machine shops I have ever seen. Just wow, talk about some NICE tools.

When I retire I dream of doing something like that.

That being said, I have lots to learn before then. I wonder how much a class like that costs, not to mention the build.

Great write up. Looking forward to some day doing a class like that.
 
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I also had the pleasure of taking the Robert Gradous Tactical Rifle Gunsmithing Class. It would be hard to improve upon tlfw's post so I’ll just touch on the points that were unique to my experience.

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The components for my rifle were as follows:

Surgeon short action repeater
Krieger MTU contour 10 twist in .308
Detachable Bottom Metal
Jewell HVR Trigger
A-5 stock with adjustable cheek piece

I can’t say enough about Robert Gradous and his hospitality. The accommodations were great and best of all they were part of the package. Robert provided a cabin for my wife and me with all the conveniences of home and all within a few hundred yards of the shop. The cabin is nestled among some huge trees with a small pond just off the back porch. It’s really a nice setting and the cabin was very nice. My wife and I were very comfortable.

As depicted in tlfw's photographs, Robert’s shop is immaculate, and this same order manifests itself throughout the building experience. Every aspect of the build was important, from dialing in the barrel on the lathe to fitting the action to the stock. Robert’s attention to detail was impressive.

This rifle will shoot sub .25 inch when I do my part and it's without a doubt the most accurate rifle in my safe.

Building this rifle with Robert was a fantastic experience and one that I intend to repeat.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tlfw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackinfl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
TLFW,
how much machining experiene did you have before this project?
</div></div>

None. </div></div>
That is awesome, good for you.
 
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James, the cost is in the original post about the class (not the inquiry post). I think it was about $4500 and includes the rifle made in the class, so it’s about the cost of the custom rifle. Follow the links on the Gradous Rifles website.

For a little less expensive instruction take some of the NRA Summer GS classes. The one in Colorado has benchrest legend Speedy Gonzalez teaching it. Look up Trinidad gunsmithing school.
Lassen College in Susanville, CA has a similar program. Nothing that builds a custom rifle in a week but a 2 week barreling class and a week long counter-varmint rifle class that covers bedding, scope mounting and triggers. Highly recommended.
 
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The first time I talked with Robert about 3 yrs. ago, I called him about a custom rifle that I had built by another well known rifle builder. It was a trued 700 300WSM with a 24" Snieder and a McMillan A3 stock. I'd had several different scopes on it, all nice scopes. The gun shot about 1 to 1 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups on a good day. My duty rifle where I worked at the time was basically a stock Rem 700 with a Mcmillan A1 that shot less than 3/4 MOA 5 shot groups, so I didn't figure it was all me shooting so bad with the other gun. The first question that Robert asked me when I told him how bad my rifle shot was whether or not I could shoot and if I'd had other people shoot the rifle. He asked me to describe what the shape of the groups were and if they were consistent. I gave him all the info he was looking for and he told me that he would fix it for a certain price(which was relatively inexpensive) and if the gun didn't shoot consistent 1/2MOA or less for 5 shots with a cerain load(that he gave me), I didn't owe him a dime. To make a long story short, I had to pay. That's when I knew that Robert wasn't your typical rifle builder. His enjoyment comes from building accurate rifles. He understands them and knows how to build a rifle that will not only be accurate, but very durable and EXTREMELY good looking. My last rifle that he built for me has a Rem 700 action(trued by GreTan at Robert's request. He said Greg Tannel is the best Rem. action builder on the planet, bar none.) Broughton 26" MTU contour 11.25 tube. Manners stock, Seekins metal everywhere and N/F scope. The rifle shoots less than 1/2MOA(5shot) with my duty ammo. Robert also did a factory rebuild/tune up job on one of our department Rem 700 PSS rifles. That's a great value too. It now shoots like a NICE custom rifle. I can't say enough about Robert's work. I am looking very forward to taking this class and being a part of building my next custom. Here's some pics(sorry for the bad quality of pics)
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TLFW, Thank you for the detailed report and excellent pictures! You built a fine rifle, and we enjoyed every minute of it.

Everyone else, I can not begin to tell you all how much I appreciate your interest, or how much I appreciate the support of Sniper's Hide.
Please keep an eye out for new posts on this thread as we will list updated specifications and prices soon. We'll post them here to give hide members first dibs on sign up before the details on my site.

sincerely,
Robert
 
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Ok now.... That shop looks WAY to clean.... hehe just kidding. Thats really cool that someone is willing to share the knowledge to help others. I always enjoy seeing someone helping the sport. Great job!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tlfw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought you guys might be interested in hearing about my experience taking a tactical rifle gunsmithing class with Robert Gradous.



<span style="font-weight: bold">Robert Gradous Rifles Gunsmithing Class
</span>

Tactical Rifle build parts list:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*] Surgeon short action repeater[*] 5C MTU contour 7.5 twist in .243[*] Detachable Bottom Metal[*] HVR Trigger[*] A-5 stock with adjustable cheek piece woodlands camo[/list]

A special thanks of appreciation to Preston Pritchett and all the people at Surgeon Rifles, Inc. for the Action, Bottom metal, Jewell HVR trigger and McMillan stock. Additionally, Tim North at Broughton Barrels who sent two barrels. Without help from these great people this project wouldn’t have been possible.

IMG_0317-1.jpg


Day One: Meet and greet.

I met up with Bill Zollo and followed him to Robert Gradous’s workshop. After introductions and a full tour of the facilities, we all piled into Robert’s truck with his son’s hunting rifle and headed to a field a half mile away that had a 4’x4’ steel plate. Robert started off and shot at the plate 500 yards away using his driver’s mirror as a rest. Robert wanted to give me the full comforts of a Texas deer shoot, so he let me follow his lead and shoot off his mirror too. Later, Robert and I went back to his shop and went over the next days schedule. We stayed awhile going over all the parts that we were going to be working with; barrel, action, stock, bottom metal and trigger. We made the necessary measurements that we will need, so that first thing the following day we are on the lathe making cuts.

IMG_0290.jpg



IMG_0280.jpg



Day Two: First day of the rifle build. Barrel work.

I meet Robert at his shop at 7:00 am to start the build. First things first, we cleaned his already spotless “surgeons operation room” he calls his workshop. This necessary part didn’t take long and after the lathe was cleaned we inserted the Broughton barrel to get it lined up. Robert explained every component, every tool, and every step we did as well as the reasons behind it. The barrel took around 15 - 20 min. to get positioned in the lathe perfect. We went over the dimensions of the cuts that we were going to make, again, to double check our measurements from the previous night. Robert explained how the lathe works with all the controls, knobs, gears and levers. He stood real close and watched me perform the tasks he was instructing me to make. Robert made me feel real comfortable over the lathe. When it was time to perform a task on the barrel that required some real skill, Robert and I switched places. Robert cut the threads on the barrel after I cut down the barrel to the dimensions we needed. After we had the barrel ready for chambering, we needed a break to get ready for the most challenging and stressful part of the barrel build. After lunch, Robert rolled up his sleeves and 3 hours later the barrel was chambered, bore scoped and measured. Robert was a happy man. The barrel was perfect. Perfect. If I gave the dimensions of what the test indicators read, Robert said nobody would believe it. Nobody. I really wished we had a movie camera to prove what those test indicators read. We double checked all the dimensions of what was needed on the chambering end of the barrel before removing the barrel and turning it around so we could put on the crown. Both Robert and I discussed the length of barrel and decided to cut it to 26”. Robert said, the crown was the most critical part of the barrel after a perfect chamber, and I was going to make all the cuts. Robert stood real close and talked me through the entire process. Robert made one initial cut on the inside of the bore as his only cut on the crown. I was pretty happy with the end result.

IMG_0282-1.jpg


IMG_0287.jpg


IMG_0323.jpg


IMG_0306-1.jpg


Day Three: Cerakote and Stock bedding.

We met at 7:00 am sharp and gathered all the components for the rifle build. The stock came with small pillars already in the stock, however, after a conversation with Surgeon, we decided on replacing them with the large ones supplied by Surgeon. We went over all the parts looking for problems that would need to be addressed. After putting the rifle together several times we went to work. We cut out the old pillars, and prepped all the metal pieces that were going to be coated with cerakote. The cerakote process was applied after all the metal was cleaned, surface was pure, heated then cooled and hung on hangers to be painted. After all the pieces were coated, they were returned to the oven and baked. When the parts came out of the oven, we put the rifle back together to see any potential problems that would need to be addressed. You get the point. I don’t recall the exact number of times that we put the rifle together looking for issues. Robert wasn’t satisfied with the bottom metal cerakote coating and wanted to do it again. We decided to do it after we bedded the stock. At the end of the day, the stock was bedded and all metal coated. So we called it a night and closed up shop.

IMG_0322-1-1.jpg


Day Four: Clean-up bedding and final assembly.

We met again at 7:00 am sharp. Robert was already in the shop as he couldn’t wait to pull the stock off the barreled action to look at our bedding work. We were met in the shop by Bill Zollo like the previous days as he just got off work from his other job. I don’t know how the man does it. Bill took some photos and performed some business work for the class then left us to get some work done. We took the stock over to the milling machine and cut out all the bedding that we didn’t need or want. This was a pretty neat process. After the machine work on the stock, we did the rest by hand. We fell behind schedule by the time lunch rolled around with all the distractions going on in the shop. Robert was understandably flustered by the loss of time and where we were on the schedule and where we needed to be. Robert and I went to lunch and made a game plan to get back on schedule. When we returned to the shop we went over the morning work and anything that I needed to review; at a more accelerated pace then that of the morning. Time was now our enemy and we had to get through this day back on track. Robert had me get the trigger instructions and tell him how I would adjust the trigger. With his observation, I put the trigger on the stock and adjusted it until it was exactly what I wanted. In the afternoon, we had also stripped the bottom metal of cerakote and went through the process of re-coating it. This proved problematic as I had convinced Robert to coat the metal in a green not black color. He had Olive drab in the shop and I wanted a lighter color. Robert added Battleship Gray to the Olive Drab to lighten in up. For all the metal pieces this application was successful, however, on the bottom metal with all the angles used in coating the results were less than satisfactory to Robert. He worked tirelessly to understand why, and even an initial phone call to NIC Industries didn’t result in a solution. We ran a test on the Battleship Gray coating without mixing it with Olive Drab and the results were exactly what we were looking for. We decided to buy the color that NIC Industries has already and proceed with the build. Robert cleaned and prepared the barrel for the following days break-in procedure.

IMG_0326-1.jpg


Day Five: Barrel break-in.

Robert met me at our usual time and we went over the days plans of breaking in the barrel. This was where we would see if we have a broken gun or a shooter. Robert preached all week that a gun is considered broken to him until he sees it shoot. We mounted an existing scope I had and took it to the reloading room. I pre-loaded a fire-forming load before I arrived in Georgia, as I didn’t want to waste time while at the class. I used a slow powder that didn’t result a complete burn in the 26” barrel. I followed Robert’s instructions to the letter for the break-in procedure. The rifle didn’t take long to reveal the real beauty of this build. The gun proved to “Not be Broken.” With a fire-forming load using a less than ideal powder; resulting in the shoulder of the Ackley Improved case not to be 100% formed, the rifle shot very tiny groups. I can’t tell you how happy both Robert and I are.


Conclusion.


This class was more than I ever thought that it was going to be. I left the class with knowledge that I didn’t have previous and gained an insight to what a highly talented gunsmith can do. I had a great time and feel the one on one instruction couldn’t have been a better way to learn the art of gunsmithing. One week isn’t enough training to start to do this alone, however, it does allow me to have a better understanding of all the aspects of a tactical rifle build. I don’t have a specific load developed for this rifle as of this writing, but I truly believe that when I do I will have a 1000 yard tactical rifle that could run with anyones rifle. If you can’t take Robert Gradous’s Gunsmithing Class, I would strongly recommend you consider him for your rifle build. I couldn’t be happier with the rifle we built together and look forward to the other rifles he builds for me.

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I apologize for waiting so long to participate in this thread. I want to take the time to thank everyone for their interest in the Tactical Rifle Class. Robert and myself are very excited about getting started again, especially after we have had such positive feedback from our previous two students. We have looked at ways to improve what we have started and make this as enjoyable for all of us. Along with building a rifle we have also built friendships.

Now, to clear a few things up. This is a hands on class. This is much more than you coming down and hanging around the shop watching your rifle being built, you actaully are involved in the vast majority of the work. While it is impossible to impart years of knowledge to anyone in a weeks time, you will undoubtedly leave with a huge base of information that will allow you to understand the innermost workings of your rifle, the satisfaction of having preformed the steps, and a deep appreciation for the work that goes into building a world class rifle. Oh, and by the way, you get the fruits of your labor to take home with you.

I would also like to thank our suppliers/sponsors. Without their gracious support this would not be possible. Preston and Matt from Surgeon rifles have supported this idea from it's inception. We would not even attempt to conduct this class without their receivers. The precision, consistancy, and quality of thier receivers are unparralled. This is the foundation we build upon, and that foundation is strong and sound.
Kreiger and Broughten both have produced high qaulity barrels we used in the two builds that have performed above expectations, and of course McMillan stocks have been absoloutly wonderful to us.

We would also like to thank Frank (lowlight) and his crew for hosting us here, and the members of Snipershide that showed such a great interest and made this possible.

We have also listened to the feedback of people interested in the class and their needs and desires. We have decided to make two versions of the class available. Basically, the instructional part of the class will be identical in both, however the parts selection will differ slightly. We still will be using Surgeon actions, match grade barrels, and the highest quality stocks and floor metals, so there will be no compromise in quality.

Original build:
Surgeon 591 Tactical repeater
Match Grade Barrel
Surgeon DBM floor metal
HVR Jewell Trigger
A5 McMillan fully adjustable stock

$4888.00 includes all materials, instruction, and cabin on premisis for the duration of the class.

Alternate build:
Surgeon SR action
Surgeon 20 MOA rail
Match Grade Barrel
BDL Floor metal
HS or BC stock

$3725.00 includes all materials, instruction, and cabin on premisis for the duration of the class.

Both classes also incude breaking in the rifle and working up a load in our air conditioned/heated shoothouse and on premisis range. If your feeling sproty, we'll take you over to the 500 yard range and shoot some steel as well.

We can insure these prices through the third quarter of this year for anyone booking during this time period, even for a future date, within reason.

Now, doesn't that sound like a good weeks vacation? I assure you it's the nicest souvinier you will ever come home with!

With the confidence we have in this class and the components we use we have secured enough parts for several students in advance of registration and are available to begin as soon as you are, at least for a limited time. Please feel fre to contact us at [email protected] for any build specific questions or [email protected] for registration information. We are also available by telephone 706-551-2540 or 706-495-8617.

I'll get some more pictures up of the facilities next week after I can get out to the shop.
 
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man i wish i had the money right now to do this. This is awesome, and i commend both of you guys for doing this to give people a hands on prespective of what goes into a custom build
 
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I've not taken the gunsmithing class but I have done a lot of business with R.G. He is a super gunsmith and is the gunsmith I use to make a perfect build every time. It does not matter if he's building the rifle or fixing another problem created by someone else. I've always left 100% satisfied.

He also assured me I'd get a discount on my next project if I bumped this thread for him!!!!

Just kidding Robert. You deserve all the great feedback you're getting in this thread.




 
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I want to apologize for my late post of these pictures. I had several e-mails wanting them and wondering why I haven't put them up yet.

I had mentioned a Shoot House on the property that would be ustilized to break-in, develop a load, and sight in each students rifle. It <span style="font-style: italic">might</span> not be the fanciest thre is, but we think that it gets the job done adequately.


This is the view from the outside

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We've got a few jars of powder and a little reloading equipment

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Let's not forget the BB's

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Nice solid bench, we'll even open the window for you.

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And it is air conditioned and heated. It'll get as cold as a meatlocker in there if your not careful, and that's oin the middle of July!

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Let us know what you think.

Bill
 
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Aww, come on Nighthawk, you think all of that trouble would have not included our wrong hand shooting friends?

There are two stations available in the shoot house, one to the left of the one pictured. Two windows on the 'exit' side of the house. The outside picture you see is the entrance, thus the door and one window,however, that's not the window we shoot out of.

We've got you covered!
 
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I went with a couple of guys over to Robert's shop today for one to drop a rifle off and for the other to get a Jewell installed.

The shop is every bit as clean as the pictures made it look. The Shoothouse was cold as a meatlocker and as clean as the shop too.

I have only been in a few gunsmith shops to compare it to, but without counting, there had to be over fifty reamers and untold pilots just on one counter and more dial indicators than I felt like counting. Damn nice stuff!

He really did not have the time to be wasting on tons of questions, but not only did he answer them, he spent the afternoon with us.

Plain and simple, I enjoyed the hell out of it. I wish I had not picked the BAT repeater action up and played with it though. I think I need one now!
 
Re: Robert Gradous's Tactical Rifle Gunsmithing Cl

WOW! I have been considering doing a "no holds barred" bolt build for some time now. Just tonight I stumbled across the name Robert Gradous. After doing plenty of research, he will be my builder. There's nothing like dozens of satisfied customers to persuade me to choose Gradous. The shop is scary clean, and the on-site facilities appear superb. I would love to do the one week build assist, but $5K is going to be somewhat tough to muster up. There's always credit cards. And as a true American, I say this: "If you can finance it, you can afford it."
 
My sincere apologies for bringing up such an old thread but was curious if Robert was still offering this school?

I did find he went thru a tough spot for a while but can’t find anything in the last few years that confirms he still offers this service. I did send an email from his website but have not received a reply yet.

Any info is appreciated.....Thanks.
 
Had a great time teaching,,, what a great honor to be thought enough of to be asked to teach.
The last class I had was with D'Arcy Echols in August of 2019.
That being said the class is expensive to some. A basic manual class starts at 10,000 and cnc starts at 25,000.
What is it truly worth to know how to get it right the first time.
Also would like to take a second to thank everyone that has helped me along the way.
Robert Gradous