Do we have funerals for miscarriages?
yes... I know at least 1 if not 2 or 3...
I did not go, but I thought it was REALLY weird and a bit morbid... I felt bad for them, but...
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Do we have funerals for miscarriages?
You don't think a fetus in the womb can experience pain?
A placation to assuage the guilty subject.Religious indoctrination more than the Bible specifically. How can you ”straight up murder” something that isn’t sentient yet? How many fertilized eggs are naturally expunged from the woman without growing to gestation? Do we have funerals for miscarriages? I think George Carlin put it best when he said “not every ejaculation deserves a name”. To me it’s not a person until it’s viable outside the womb, before that it’s a collection of cells. I strongly disagree with third trimester abortions, but would be in favor of using them on defective units. No parent should be subjected to a life sentence of a retarded child.
I agree with you completely on the death penalty issue. Why warehouse some shitbag child rapist, just kill them for the good of society.
What a weasel, soy boy, and intentionally misleading answer.
Yes, the current peer reviewed published scientific research does show that a fetus can experience pain in the womb. Yes, there is debate about how many weeks that occurs but I think there is a consensus that it does occur inside the womb.
There are several states that have no limit on how many weeks a fetus can be aborted. That's a death of a sentient being to me.
Do you disagree with that?
This guy always has some good colloquial sayings:
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Kennedy slams Roberts over ruling on Louisiana abortion law: 'He flip-flopped like a banked catfish'
Kennedy criticized Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts after the court struck down a Louisiana law requiring individuals who perform abortions at clinics to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.www.foxnews.com
I'll don my flame-suit here:
So, did I just read that children inside the womb are not sentient? Really? So, I know somebody that had their child premature, 22.5 weeks. She lived albeit with a lot of NICU care. But she lived and has read more books in her short life than I'll ever read - sentient at 22.5 weeks or not, she was reading at 10th grade level in 2nd grade!!! When was she sentient? When she was delivered in emergency surgery or after the normal gestation time?
Since the argument is a baby in the womb is not sentient, at what point then, if a baby is out of the womb does said baby become sentient? Seriously, just when? One could possibly argue that a child is not sentient until 2 or 3 or even 4 or 5? How many of us remember age 2? Does that mean at 2 someone is not sentient? From what I read at times, full grown adults are not necessarily sentient. Furthermore, the definition of sentient also includes "Experiencing sensation or feeling. " It's an absolute FACT that babies in the womb feel pain. With this mentality of not sentient till out of the womb, one may as well go vote for Northam and his ilk.
Also, what is viable since this is likely a better benchmark than sentient? What baby could ever "take care of themselves?" Since they cannot take care of themselves, how viable are they? So the question for society is "at what point in time" and "who's the judge of viability?" How many days after conception is a fetus viable: day 1, 2, 3....day 30, 60, after "on time birth?" Just what is that definition of viable? One that will survive with no medical intervention whatsoever? No hospital birthing? Just where is that line? It's an interesting argument, because we know that our medical technology has kept plenty of babies alive. How many of those have gone on to do great things? These are the arguments one must make when this question of viability comes. In some aspects one could ask the question - since Homo Sapiens are, in theory, the most advanced form of life on this planet should we or should we not enhance the "viability" of the human condition, be it newborn or elderly? In my mind, one cannot break the "viability" argument just at the newborn age, because it also becomes a question when one is aging or perhaps is in a horrific accident.
I don't claim to know the actual answer here; because having been power of attorney over my father when he died, if I had to do it over again, I'd have let him die in ER when I knew the outcome was probably not going to be good - yet, I knew he was a fighter and I could not, not give him the opportunity to fight back. I did not personally want to make the call on viability, because even though I myself knew it wasn't going to be likely he got better, I wasn't going to make that call when I point blank asked him "do you want to call it quits?" I had that luxury, something a newborn/fetus does not.
Is it better a child not be born into an unloving, uncaring and possibly abusive family or not? Again, I don't have the answer. I do know, as I've aged, and have seen friends with children, the more protective of life I've become. Yet, at the same time, it breaks my heart and saddens me to know there are plenty of children in this world who never receive any love or care from their parents. Society has argued this for a long time, and will continue to argue it for a long time. Ultimately science will prove when babies feel pain and when they become sentient; but there are brain waves functioning well before actual delivery. I think when the bell tolls, life will be shown to begin either AT conception or less than 2 weeks after when brain waves start.
A placation to assuage the guilty subject.
They are incapabable of self reliance for several years after the magical birth canal.
Just like while in the oven.
Expunged eggs are an act of nature not a heinous act.
Your deflection arguments haven't any credence.
Person isn't the subject.
A viable baby is, we can call it a ICBM.
Still doesn't make it any different.
What difference does the trimester make?
From the second of conception It'll only be one thing.
Lol, retarded child.
How many kids do you have?
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Abortion is settled law since 1973, and conservatives continue to make themselves look foolish trying to overturn it. There are plenty of reasonable moderate suburban women who consider abortion rights their equivalent of 2A for most of us, and it prevents them from voting for conservatives. Give it up already so we can bring that group of the middle to our side. Keep this shit up if you want to lose.
I don’t like the idea of abortion being used as routine birth control, but I certainly endorse not forcing someone to bring a life they don’t want into our society where the rest of us are responsible for it.
Oh, and Roberts is scum.
Check with the endangered species acts to see how they feel about Eagle eggs.I thought my answer was pretty direct, and I skimmed a couple journal articles on fetus neural development before posting 18 weeks. I agree with you that if the neural pathways are formed at 18 weeks (4.5 months) then I think that’s a fair cutoff for limiting abortion except for a defective unit or for the life/health of the mother. I disagree with abortions after 18 weeks for some of the reasons you all are arguing, so on that we agree.
18 weeks for neural pathways, can’t feel shit before then, likely sentient from then on. 22.5 weeks is past 18, and apparently viable in that case, so we agree.
The difference the trimester makes is when are there neural pathways for potential thought or feeling pain, 18 weeks.
Retarded kids, yep that shit really ruins a life for parents. One of the nicest men I’ve ever met has a now 19 year old daughter with severe autism. I’ve had him break down in tears numerous times in conversation talking about the care his daughter requires and the bad shit that happens if she gets out of the house alone. He’s mentally and physically beat down from taking care of the child he obviously loves. It’s really hard to watch, I don’t honestly think I could do it.
No kids for me, by choice. I’m 43 and happily married, she doesn’t want kids either. I also never got anyone pregnant by being careful and using contraception.
Check with the endangered species acts to see how they feel about Eagle eggs.
Raising children is hard, tough shit.
I guess if they had cancer or any other terminal/chronic disease it'd be the same?
As I figured, a large opinion based upon others experiences.
I've meet and know many who have experienced combat, this doesn't make me an operator.
Here is a historical graph of children born out of wedlock.
How did most of these folks avoid pregnancy in the 60's -70's?
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What exactly was the change to precipitate this?
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Something happened in 64 that had a major effect on one of these listed in the graph.I’ll take Feminism for $600, Alex.
Something happened in 64 that had a major effect on one of these listed in the graph.
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Ok, so this is coming from an American of Mexican decent. My grandparents immigrated legally and worked the strawberry/sugar fields. No mexican flags anywhere and only spoke Spanish inside the home, English outside. That generation were proud immigrants. The current crop, the Mexican flag waving LaRaza type are just seeking handouts while their allegiance is to Mexico/not US. Its that allegiance to not the US that keeps them voting for democrats.It's similar to immigration and hispanics. Hispanics are generally conservative catholics, but since the perception that conservatives hate them means they vote for the welcoming democrats. Some may be here for free shit, but most hispanic immigrants I've met are hard working people. A little outreach could go a long way. The country is turning brown, get over it and embrace potential allies.
I cannot imagine what a woman goes through emotionally to go down this path; it must be horrible. But I do wonder about this "dark positive". Not saying that two wrongs make a right, but if people are willing to have unprotected sex outside of wedlock, why is everyone else responsible for the consequences of their misdeeds?
They over ruled it. It’s back to ten. Still bullshit though. I should have stayed in Kentucky after getting out.7 in NY
I'm not entirely sure what your comment is addressing from my post.Can't imagine what the mother is going through? Then try to imagine what the baby goes through.
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I'm not entirely sure what your comment is addressing from my post.
sorry dude, but they now allow partial birth abortions and they allow killing the babies or letting them die if they botch an abortion and the baby survives.Until there is a functioning brain, nope. Sucking that little bundle of cells out of there (or going after it with a coathanger if needed) doesn't mean anything until it's got a functioning brain to be aware of the pain. Research shows that the neural pathways aren't there until 18 weeks.
My father in law was a Navy corpsman in the 1960's. He also assisted when others performed illegal abortions. The abortions were/are going to happen one way or another, I'd prefer if they were done by professionals rather than in back alleys. Restrictions limiting abortion only to those of sufficient means to travel to places where it's legal is just as bad as making ammo or gun permits so expensive that only the rich can afford it.
Can you point out which enumerated right abortion is under?The left pick away at gun rights, the right picks away at abortion rights, vicious cycle.
Your "philosophy" is shallower than your gene pool.Religious indoctrination more than the Bible specifically. How can you ”straight up murder” something that isn’t sentient yet? How many fertilized eggs are naturally expunged from the woman without growing to gestation? Do we have funerals for miscarriages?
Nobody is forcing you or your family to get an abortion, I don't see how they are a bunch of wanna be tyrants. I actually think the religious right are the tyrants here, trying to impose their moral code on others who don't believe as they do.
My wife is right on the edge, she votes conservative, but sometimes begrudgingly because of her feelings on right to choose. I know a bunch of other women in our peer group who feel the same. We might not get all of them, but some of them couldn't hurt.
It's similar to immigration and hispanics. Hispanics are generally conservative catholics, but since the perception that conservatives hate them means they vote for the welcoming democrats. Some may be here for free shit, but most hispanic immigrants I've met are hard working people. A little outreach could go a long way. The country is turning brown, get over it and embrace potential allies.
One does not need to be religious to be against the murder of babies, Im atheist and think abortion is downright vile and outright murder.My comment was about calling a ruling by political hack want to be tyrants settled law. It really has nothing more to do with abortion than scotus decisions have to do with the constitution and law.
Btw, the whole be less conservative / accept some leftist values in order to get elected is a fairy tale.
liberals promote promiscuity, and then they advocate for the killing of the products of their encouragement.
this is sick.
right, and that why the liberals love inner city public schools and defend their abject failure to teach kids anything and graduate <25% of the kids.That is a major aspect of it. Its evil. But those that are in a government dependent social class and choose to not have abortions end up raising more dependent voters, which is still a total win for the left as the new additions will vote in politicians who take from producers a give to non-producers in exchange for more control for the left. This is the problem of not strictly controlling welfare, the Great Society and other things. A lot of chickens have come home to roost.
right, and that why the liberals love inner city public schools and defend their abject failure to teach kids anything and graduate <25% of the kids.
these are failure factories that pump out kids that have no future, adding to the rolls of democrat voters.
I guess if I had said, "the left picks away at gun rights as the right picks away at abortion laws", would that of gave my statement more validity?Can you point out which enumerated right abortion is under?
the problem is that you white folks are being replaced. each white child killed furthers the goals of those that want you all dead and gone.And this is the reason I say that abortions may indeed be required to preserve the Republic. Note that I’m not talking about getting rid of Democrats, that’s a different thing. What a shitty circumstance to be found in.
agaim ghettos and slums only exist in american because liberals want it that way.Except I’m not talking about race. That’s not in view of what I’m discussing. I’m talking about social issues on a macro level. Ghettos and slums and their associated issues are not race specific.
I honestly do not know. I don’t think abortions are moral nor are any of the other situations you have identified. I’m only throwing out my own personal thoughts and internal conflict on the subject. It our own moral failures as a culture that have brought us to this place.
It can’t be right to kill another, especially the defenseless. But is the net negative of this practice smaller than the net positive for the extension of the well-being of the nation? Good answers are hard to come by, and are non-existent if you keep the current moral climate in the equation.
The question is this: is it justifiable to have some evil in the nation for the sake of national security? If so, how much? How do you control it and when can it be used? If you cannot control the population from reproducing, and you cant keep throwing them all in jail, then what? Less abortions may very well increase prison inmates, potential rioters, etc. Just a thought I had on this whole thing. Wake up 2-3 decades after abortion is made illegal again and wonder why our country has really gone to shit. Its a dichotomy for sure, at least it is for me.
Abortion is settled law since 1973, and conservatives continue to make themselves look foolish trying to overturn it. There are plenty of reasonable moderate suburban women who consider abortion rights their equivalent of 2A for most of us, and it prevents them from voting for conservatives. Give it up already so we can bring that group of the middle to our side. Keep this shit up if you want to lose.
I don’t like the idea of abortion being used as routine birth control, but I certainly endorse not forcing someone to bring a life they don’t want into our society where the rest of us are responsible for it.
Oh, and Roberts is scum.
Murder is murder any way you color it. Period.
Call it abortion, or state sponsored executions aka: death penalty, its still murder.
Once you allow it the question becomes "Where do you draw the line?" As someone mentioned above, "With seniors?". Hey now Im one of those, and fuck you.
Murder is murder, period, and always wrong.
Epstein didnt kill himself.
Your statement is more accurate. Your position isn't any more valid.I guess if I had said, "the left picks away at gun rights as the right picks away at abortion laws", would that of gave my statement more validity?
the problem is that you white folks are being replaced. each white child killed furthers the goals of those that want you all dead and gone.
Id hit it.