You are making a simple issue hard. Fact vs Feelings - you are talking about Feelings as if you are a Karen. Fact - Abortion is not a Federal issue, it is a State issue. States can settle the abortion issue through State level legislation.
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ROE VS WADE OVERTURNED!!!!!!
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It should be a federal issue because an unborn baby is a person. Because he or she is a person, they should be guaranteed all of the protections that the bill of rights, the 13th amendment and 14th amendment provide the rest of us. That includes the right to life.
And that’s your opinion.
The fact is that the majority of the people in this country support abortion rights and it’s a big issue, especially to most women.
Conservatives are walking on as thin of a line keep voters as the liberals are and this is one issue that should have been put to rest in interest of the parties survival. This will hurt as badly as being against gay marriage, another issue that should have been left the fuck alone but republicans pick stupid fucking battles a lot of the time in the name of their religions.
Several issues, first we do not have constitutional rights, we have rights. The bill of rights doesn't give us rights, we have those at birth. It tells the government fuck off these specific things. Abortion was never a constitutional right, it was a court granted right and it was revoked by the same court.
Truth be told we don't have a 2nd amendment anymore, our parents and grandparents surrendered that to the state. We have a privilege to possess weapons. People can beat their chest amd claim otherwise but untill we put in the work to secure these things locally and at our state level we don't have any help protecting our rights.
I fully realize they are not equivalent, or even close.
Just trying to see if there was a political goal or reason for them overturning a 50 year old decision now, as opposed to 10 yrs ago or 10 yrs from now? In other words - how can this decision now be used against us?
Does this mean even the law abiding citizens in these states will see their local and state taxes increase to enforce the new regulations? Wonder how expensive these cases will be as they move through the criminal justice system including the appellate process?
no...no it cant...at least not to anyone who understands the Constitution
...show me where in the 1A it permits the murder of unborn babies?...
"religious freedom" doesnt cover murder
"legal abortions" fly directly in the face of existing federal law that recognizes an unborn child as a person
Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
your status as a "human" does not change based upon the "want of the mother".
There are states that permit the killing of an unborn baby by an abortionist.
Yet, some of those same states will prosecute someone if they cause the death of the unborn by causing an accident or by an attack on the mother carrying the baby.
The killer in the white coat with an "MD" or "OBGYN" after their name is licensed by the state to commit murder.
That reminds of another place and time when it was legal for someone wearing another type of uniform to kill people when no crime has been committed.
Biden mad. Interesting listening to him mention incest, apparently he hasn’t read his daughters diary about inappropriate showers with pedo joe. No wonder he likes smelling shampoo fragrance...
Good to see you thinking like they expect you to think. So when they steal another election, you will assume those damn fundamental Christians fucked up our politics again.
Seriously, hell I hear this bile on folks' lips all the fucking time lately.
I see what you're getting at.
Given I still see the elements as entirely different, and therefore also think it can't really be used to impose bodily mandates, I also realize that there can likely be attempts to conflate the ideas and attempt to use it in a fashion to try.
I am not a lawyer, but I still can't understand how Roe even got this far to begin with, because it seems to violate "black letter" law to begin with; it was not a Constitutionally enumerated right to begin with. But, since it did, I can only figure that the people on the Supreme Court are human, and prone to political and social pressures of their time, just like other people, and cave to those pressures.
And it takes decades, as we've seen, for these sorts of things to finally retract.
So, it's possible that people will try to use it "against us" for other mandate purposes. And they may even succeed, like what happened when Roe was decided, and decades may have to pass before it is stricken...who's to say? But on the surface, in a strict reading and understanding of the Constitution, it probably shouldn't happen, because they are clearly unrelated and contain separate legal elements.
Those old saws are getting very tiresome.
How bout those who were told by medical professionals that there were problems, and we should terminate your pregnancy?
I have one example of that. I can show you some pictures of a very happy, healthy young man in his 20s, because his mother wasn't going to kill her child on the whim of a witchdoctor.
I see where the Kenyan says it's blocking essential rights. Ok, illegitimate president Kenyan, what about RED FLAG laws....SPECIFICALLY SAYS NO CAN DO IN COTUS. Gun laws....also says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" in COTUS....WHERE...where dear illegitimate Kenyan does it say MURDER is a right??????????? Or even if you want to abort due to rape/incest/massive defects that it's a right????????????? A Right granted by the Creator????
www.foxnews.com
Obama blasts Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade: 'attacking the essential freedoms of millions'
Former President Barack Obama said the Supreme Court's decision Friday overturning Roe v. Wade was an attack on the "essential freedoms of millions of Americans."
www.foxnews.com
No.
You are comparing apples to oranges.
One is attacking defenseless babies, in what should be the safest place for them.
The other is attacking grown, hopefully armed people, in an environment they should well realize, is hostile to their rights to life, liberty, and property.
There will be a different outcome.
Can anyone actually bring up a valid Anti-Abortion argument and not use God or Religion?
I am being 100% serious.
Does anyone have an issue if China starts to kill off it's own people more then usual? Again, a real question.
I am being 100% serious.
Does anyone have an issue if China starts to kill off it's own people more then usual? Again, a real question.
Thats actually not true either.
LOL cope and seethe. Women can go fuck themselves, lets overturn the 19th amendment now and really start making some changes
#BabyLivesMatter
Finally, a BLM I can get behind!
Finally, a BLM I can get behind!
Personally, I think that the liberals were/are on track to do these things anyway.
Oh for fucks sake.
Whats the argument against murder, without mentioning God or religion?
You fucking people.
Fuck you all.
You motherfuckers need Jesus.
It is not murder if you are killing the enemy.
With a moth like that it sounds like you need to rethink your relationship with Jesus.
The emotional arguments like this make people sound just as bad as the Libtards.........
You sidestepped the argument I put forth that life begins at conception. Just because a bunch of people support something does not mean it is right.
In my view, the father who abandons a mother should have more repercussions than they do now. That would solve the women claiming victim in the situation. Abortion is a classic case of making a sweeping decision based on a minority condition (rape and medical complications). If you're telling me we are murdering millions of babies because we have millions of rapes, I'd rather focus on the rape problem and get that sorted out. Otherwise, if you are out having sex (which everyone knows produces a human life) you should be ready to deal with the consequences
You don't need any religion to tell you that killing babies is wrong.
Abortionist logic goes like this, I made a mistake. I want YOU to pay for it.
I'll bite.
The scientific definition of life is met at conception. It is wrong to murder.
As for the unrelated argument about China, that is wrong too. That starts down the road of international relations and global policing rather than morally
Isaiah was a man of unclean lips.
Piety is religious horseshit.
Jesus wasn't a pacifist.
You left out "you people".
Follow the science. The sperm and egg join together and is, indeed, a human. That person, no matter how small or what their level development is, deserves the same protection that you and I do.
As far as the Chinese government is concerned, I've always had an issue with them killing their own people. They've been doing that since the days of Mao. That still doesn't make it right.
There's not much we can do about China. However, we can do something about the killing of unborn persons in this country.
They can’t. It should be a right to not have a child, within reason.
Yes we can and have. Read and comprehend. You CAN do two things at once.
Some little tidbit we may all have overlooked.....
This will make it MUCH easier for them to sell baby parts for the vampire race, in the near future.
Remember whose stupid redneck ass told you.
Mark it down. The "cellular fountain of youth" is gonna profit bigly on this.
This will make it MUCH easier for them to sell baby parts for the vampire race, in the near future.
Remember whose stupid redneck ass told you.
Mark it down. The "cellular fountain of youth" is gonna profit bigly on this.
Actually…. It is. There are many many studies on both sides of the political spectrum done and it consistently comes in that 60% support abortion.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...rtion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/
I could link similar articles all day long but it’s probably not going to change some bible thumpers opinion.
So exactly when would be the right time to right previous wrongs?
I'm really hoping that our SCOTUS continues to make their decisions based upon the Constitutionality of Laws vs making decisions for political gain of one party over the other or legislating from the bench. While we all know that the judges being human - cannot be apolitical or without bias, but I'd sure like to see them work at it.
Now those people can make that decision, not a handful of justices making up a right where one doesn't exist.
There have been several analyses that say this is going to fire up conservatives and the right even more. This is the culmination of their efforts.
Probably a wash. The nutballs are already fired up. But the average folks are going to be voting on $7 gas, heating bills that are going to destroy them this winter, and food, what food? Not on state abortion laws.
Noone made abortion illegal. They made it a state issue. So go legalize it in all 50 states. Or ban it. But now it's not a federal issue. Which it should never have been except for an abberation in the SCOTUS in the 1970's.
The pussy hats are already screaming here. But VT has some of the toughest pro-choice laws in the nation. They have lost nothing. They are just screaming for no reason other than they have been told to start screaming and dumb bitches with no brains and indoctrination Masters degrees in Feminist Modern Interpretive Dance do what they're told by their socialist masters.
I bet Bernie doesn't fix his own sammiches...
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Funny that our birthdays start on the day we were born and not the day daddy nutted into mommy.
It’s also funny that republicans are too fucking stupid to see that it’s the left heavily supporting abortions and also using them more and therefore more abortions should mean less democrats. But yeah, let’s just be religious idiots and not play the game for a win.
You are the idiot if you think that this decision outlaws abortions.
On the other hand, could it be shown to some of the fence sitters leaning conservative that this is why voting matters.
Because it’s only the religious nuts that have an issue with a women having an abortion within reason.
Hard to deny abortions kill more leftists. That's just reality.
Yes, and in the liberal shitholes they won't thereby negating your agrument about liberals giving birth to their babies thus creating a larger voting block.
Is your head really that pointed?
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