ROUND2 !!, (100YARD), Semi-Auto, 6group, 30round SHOOTOUT!

elfster1234 · Apr 23, 2013

Other links to get the most out of your AR:
http://www.snipershide.com/[email protected]
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ic-info-ar-101-7-62-lmt-mws-example-pics.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...0yard-semi-auto-6groups-30round-shootout.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...on-red-dot-6xmax-only-king-hill-shootout.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...t-semi-auto-precision-shooters-reloaders.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...learning-experiences-live-learn-pictures.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...08476-bye-bye-bi-pod-hello-mega-benchbag.html

Link to ROUND1 (CLOSED):
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...0yard-semi-auto-6groups-30round-shootout.html

See how your bolt-action cousins are doing against your semi-auto ass: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...yard-bolt-action-6group-30round-shootout.html

 YOUR ENTRY WILL NOT COUNT UNLESS YOU FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE ENTRY LISTED WITHIN THIS ORIGINAL POST!!!. Also, old targets DO NOT count (targets starting this very second 04/23/13 and forward) & please date your targets (just be honest please & will call BS on you if anything is fishy). Not to be a dick, I just don't have time to PM everyone with F'd up entries. Don't even BS talk in your entry and just follow the example entry for the love of god. Short and simple. If you want to BS talk, do it on a separate reply in this thread and NOT in your entry. Thank you! 

 ROUND2(((((((((( 100 YARD SHOOTOUT!!!!! ))))))))))

****NOTE!!! NO ADJUSTABLE BENCH RESTS OR VISES!! ONLY BIPODS, MONOPODS, OR FRONT/REAR SAND BAGS ONLY!!!!!****

If possible when taking your measurements, please zero out calipers on the bullet used and measure outside to outside of the bullet hole. If you not sure what I'm talking about, then please send me a PM!

 ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! )))))SNIPER'S HIDE SEMI-AUTO BEST AVERAGE (TOP TEN) (average# is what really counts!):
***#1 place: HEYDOGMAN, DPMS LR 24" SS BULL 6.5, (.506 AVERAGE), shot on (09/01/13), post on page6***
#2 place: THEBELLY, PREDATAR 16'' 7.62, (.536 AVERAGE), shot on (08/03/13), post on page6
#3 place: BOONE3380, RRA VARMINT 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.552 AVERAGE), shot on (05/03/13), post on page2
#4 place: TWITCHY, BUSHMASTER VARMINT 18" SS SPR 5.56, (.6233 AVERAGE), shot on (07/15/13), post on page5
#5 place: WAGONPILOT, RRA W/JEWEL TRIGGER 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.653 AVERAGE), shot on (05/27/13), post on page3
#6 place: SEANHAGERTY, BCM/STAG 20" SS BULL 5.56, (.693 AVERAGE), shot on (05/22/13), post on page3
#7 place: ELFSTER1234, RRA EOP VARMINT 18" SS BULL 5.56, (.7086 AVERAGE), shot on (05/26/13), post on page4
#8 place: ELFSTER1234, LMT MWS 20" CL 7.62, (.7258 AVERAGE), shot on (09/08/13), post on page6
#9 place: ELFSTER1234, RRA ATH 18'' SS HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.7285 AVERAGE), shot on (08/18/13), post on page6
#10 place: BLUTO77, LARUE OBR 18'' 5.56, (.802 AVERAGE), shot on (08/10/13), post on page6

ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) SNIPER'S HIDE SEMI-AUTO BEST SINGLE GROUP (TOP TEN):
#1 place: ELFSTER1234, RRA EOP VARMINT 18" SS BULL 5.56, (.179 BEST SINGLE), shot on (05/26/13), post on page3
#2 place: HEYDOGMAN, DPMS LR 24" SS BULL 6.5, (.180 BEST SINGLE), shot on (09/01/13), post on page6
#3 place: WAGONPILOT, RRA W/JEWEL TRIGGER 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.301 BEST SINGLE), shot on (05/27/13), post on page3
#4 place: THEBELLY, PREDATAR 16'' 7.62, (.302 BEST SINGLE), shot on (08/03/13), post on page6
#5 place: BLUTO77, COLT CRP 18" SS HEAVY 5.56, (.355 BEST SINGLE), shot on (07/20/13), post on page6
#6 place: COACH4CHRIST, BRAVO/SPIKES 5.56, (.369 BEST SINGLE), shot on (04/28/13), post on page1
#7 place: NAKAS, KAC SR25 EMR 20" 7.62, (.386 BEST SINGLE), shot on (07/19/13), post on page5
#8 place: USMAGATOR, OBR 18" SS 7.62, (.387 BEST SINGLE), shot on (04/27/13), post on page1
#9 place: ELFSTER1234, RRA ATH 18'' SS HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.391 BEST SINGLE), shot on (08/17/13), post on page6
#10 place: SEANHAGERTY, BCM/STAG 20" SS BULL 5.56, (.435 BEST SINGLE), shot on (05/22/13), post on page3

 ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) BULLSEYE BONUS!!! All 30rounds are no further than .75" from dead center of bullseye to dead center of bullet hole!!! This will produce a 1.5" circle around dead center bullseye. If you think you made it this far, then please provide additional caliper pic of your single most furthest bullet hole from dead center bullseye (out of the 30 bullet holes, pick the bullet hole that is furthest from bullseye, and provide picture from dead center bulls to dead center bullet hole... easy as that!) This might sound easy if it was just a single 5shot group or with a bolt action, but times that by 6 total groups with a semi-auto! Rather hard, but obtainable! You can try going for this option if you want, but be forewarned,,,, you will most likely destroy your bug hole point of aim. Nice option to have tho! (STARTS TODAY 06/07/13, NOT FOR PAST ENTRIES!)
- HEYDOGMAN, DPMS LR 24" SS BULL 6.5, (.506 AVERAGE), shot on (09/01/13), post on page6

ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) GRAND PRIZE... This person shoots .375 or less on all 6groups @ 100yrds ALL DAY LONG board (started 04/23/13)!!!
- IF YOU'RE NAME IS HERE, YOU WIN... GAME OVER! this should take some time if not be impossible to fill this spot.... not saying it isn't possible, but it is like winning the loto in the semi-auto community IMO. I will call BS on anyone that I think is not being honest so don't F#CK with me. You will be required to have caliper measurement pictures of EACH GROUP along with your main target picture if you think you made it this far!

ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) HONORABLE MENTION #1, This person can actually shoot .5 or less on all 6groups @ 100yards ALL DAY LONG board (all 6groups are under a "shooters" .5"moa @ 100yards).... the rest of us are just lucky a$$ bastards, LOL JK!!!
- YOUR NAME HERE! still hard to do with a semi-auto! You will be required to have caliper measurement pictures of EACH GROUP along with your main target picture if you think you made it this far!

ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) HONORABLE MENTION #2, This person can actually shoot SUB-MOA ALL DAY LONG board (all 6groups are under a "shooters" 1"moa @ 100yards).... the rest of us are just lucky a$$ bastards, LOL JK!!!
- HEYDOGMAN, DPMS LR 24" SS BULL 6.5, (.506 AVERAGE), shot on (09/01/13), post on page6
- BOONE3380, RRA VARMINT 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.552 AVERAGE), shot on (05/03/13), post on page2
- TWITCHY, BUSHMASTER VARMINT 18" SS SPR 5.56, (.6233 AVERAGE), shot on (07/15/13), post on page5
- WAGONPILOT, RRA W/JEWEL TRIGGER 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.653 AVERAGE), shot on (05/27/13), post on page3
- HEYDOGMAN, DPMS LR 24" SS BULL 6.5, (.666 AVERAGE), shot on (05/07/13), post on page2
- SEANHAGERTY, BCM/STAG 20" SS BULL 5.56, (.693 AVERAGE), shot on (05/22/13), post on page3
- ELFSTER1234, LMT MWS 20" CL 7.62, (.7258 AVERAGE), shot on (09/08/13), post on page6
- ELFSTER1234, RRA ATH 18'' SS HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.7305 AVERAGE), shot on (10/06/13), post on page7
- ELFSTER1234, LMT MWS 20" CL 7.62, (.7698 AVERAGE), shot on (04/27/13), post on page4 (M.E.O.C.W. gauntlet test target)
- ELFSTER1234, RRA ATH 18'' SS HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.7773 AVERAGE), shot on (08/31/13), post on page6 (M.E.O.C.W. gauntlet test target)
- ELFSTER1234, DPMS 3G1 18" SS 5.56, 1-4 VORTEX PST SCOPE, (.8326 AVERAGE), shot on (08/10/13), post on page6

 ((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) past leaders for average(what really counts):
- ELFSTER1234, DPMS 3G1 18" SS 5.56, 1-4 VORTEX PST SCOPE, (.8326 AVERAGE), shot on (08/10/13), post on page6
- WFJAMES22, LMT MWS 20" SS 260REM, (.834 AVERAGE), shot on (06/03/13), post on page4
- NAKAS, KAC SR25 EMR 20" 7.62, (.854 AVERAGE), shot on (07/19/13), post on page5
- JOHN_M44, DPMS/FULTON 22" BULL 7.62, (.879 AVERAGE), shot on (05/21/13), post on page2
- COACH4CHRIST, BRAVO/SPIKES LOWER 5.56, (.8975 AVERAGE), shot on (04/28/13), post on page1
- BLUTO51, RRA UPPER / LOKI NICKLE BORON BCG 16" HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.904 AVERAGE), shot on (06/06/13), post on page4
- USMAGATOR, OBR 18" SS 7.62, (.999 AVERAGE), shot on (04/27/13), post on page1
- RG IN IDAHO, LMT MWS 20" SS 7.62, (1.06 AVERAGE), shot on (04/26/13), post on page1
- SCRATHTHEJEEPGUY, CUSTOM BUILD 24" SS BULL .223, (1.036" AVERAGE), shot on (05/17/13), post on page2
- BM11, LMT MWS 16" CL 7.62, (1.116 AVERAGE), shot on (04/25/13), post on page1
- PMCLAINE, LMT MWS 16" CL 7.62, (1.65 AVERAGE), shot on (04/30/13), post on page2

((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) past leaders for best single group:
- ELFSTER1234, DPMS 3G1 18" SS 5.56, (.438 BEST SINGLE), shot on (07/20/13), post on page6
- TWITCHY, BUSHMASTER VARMINT 18" SS SPR 5.56, (.4385 BEST SINGLE), shot on (07/15/13), post on page5
- BOONE3380, RRA VARMINT 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.464 BEST SINGLE), shot on (05/03/13), post on page2
- ELFSTER1234, LMT MWS 20" CL 7.62, (.503 BEST SINGLE), shot on (04/27/13), post on page1
- JOHN_M44, DPMS/FULTON 22" BULL 7.62, (.528 BEST SINGLE), shot on (05/21/13), post on page2
- BLUTO51, RRA UPPER / LOKI NICKLE BORON BCG 16" HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.528 BEST SINGLE), shot on (06/06/13), post on page4
- SCRATHTHEJEEPGUY, CUSTOM BUILD 24" SS BULL .223, (.593 BEST SINGLE), shot on (05/17/13), post on page2
- RG IN IDAHO, LMT MWS 20" SS 7.62, (.69 BEST SINGLE), shot on (04/26/13), post on page1
- BM11, LMT MWS 16" CL 7.62, (.722 BEST SINGLE), shot on (04/25/13), post on page1
- PMCLAINE, LMT MWS 16" CL 7.62, (.983 BEST SINGLE), shot on (04/30/13), post on page2

ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) THE SHOOTOUT OVERVIEW!
I thought this would be really fun for us Semi-Auto platform shooters to really show off your bad A$$ rifles and sniper's hide shooting skills in the Semi-Auto community. Enough of the "shoots .375moa all day long @ 100yards" talk, and to actually walk the walk!!!... Lets give those bolt action guys a run for their money! If you think this will be easy, then think again. You will never know until you try it! Will purchase a shot for the first .375 average all day long crown! LOL

Please, only picture / groupings post only!!

HERE ARE THE GUIDELINES TO POST:

1.) At 100yards (please be honest about this 100yards), all 6 groupings, 5shots each, 30 total bullets (no more, no less)... Must be on one large target about 2'x3' (or smaller target if you can fit your bad ass groups on 8x11 paper).... What ever size you think you can get 6 groups @ 5shots each on.... Can NOT be on individual targets. MUST BE on one target with 6 total groupings, 5shots each, 30 total bullets. That's it!! Would prefer 6 total @ 3/4" to 1" round sticker type targets on ONE large poster size target (or just use a black magic marker to make the 6 target markings). All consecutively shot. Shoot as fast or slow as you want, but must be shot within that day!!... If your one piece of paper / cardboard doesn't have 30 bullet holes, it doesn't count..... Bullet holes must be easy to see in your picture!! This is NOT about bullseyes!! All about grouping size average and your best group size!! All in good fun people... .25" or 5",, show off your skills baby! Just try your best! Everyone is welcome here regardless of skill! Piston or DI, AR or M1A, it's all semi-auto cool baby!

2.) Can be any caliber Semi Auto type platform. 308, 223, 260, 30-06, what ever. SEMI AUTO ONLY!! No bolt actions!!!

3.) Can use any type factory or reloaded ammo. What ever works best for your rifle.

4.) cough, honestly measure with calipers the distance of your two furthest bullet holes of each 5shot groupings (((center to center of each bullet hole))) and write this measurement IN LARGE FONT BLACK MAGIC MARKER right next to each grouping (6 total measurements). Either measure middle to middle OR outside to outside and deduct bullet diameter (end of topic). I really don't give a shit. This is all in good fun. Just be honest or I will call you out on this.

5.) Post close up picture of your best SINGLE group WITH CALIPERS showing the measurement!! MUST BE WITH CALIPERS!! NO RULERS ALLOWED!! If you don't have calipers, then go buy some. They are only $20 bucks!! Sheesshh, stop being such as cheap A$$ !! JK... Please be honest with your measurements!!! No coins or objects for scale!!! Just hard core measurements.

6.) Post picture of entire target showing all 6 groupings / measurements with calipers still on your best grouping!! NO picture, then it didn't happen!!

7.) In your posting, add up all 6 measurements and divide by 6 for your average MOA shot. Example, 1.12" + 1.01" + .56" + .75" + 2.25" + 3.46" = 9.15 divided by 6groupings = 1.525" average.

8.) Please, be honest! No shooting with your bolt action and playing it off as your semi-auto!! NO SHUTTING OFF OF GAS BLOCKS as this would turn off the semi-auto nature of your rifle. Can adjust gas block if needed, just can not shut it off all together!!!... In short, your bolt must make a complete cycle after the shot taken... You can not manually cycle the rifle on each round!!!

9.) If you do reload, feel free to post your load specs!

10.) Post what type of semi-auto rifle, ammo used, and how you took your shots (prone, bench, bipod, sandbags used, blah blah blah)........... No lock down gun vises!! Sandbags are ok, bipods are ok, monopods are ok.... If you are using a vise, then you are not really shooting the damn rifle and a monkey can shoot the rifle for you.

11.) Please post a picture of your rifle with your entry!!!!

12.) there is NO SUCH THING AS "FLYERS" in this shootout.. any possible "flyers" you might have count as your group!! damn those flyers!!!

13.) Please put the type of rifle, your sniper's hide name, and date you consecutively shot at the top of your target!

14.) As long as you follow the rules, have 6 groups @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets only, then feel free to post your results regardless of your average / single group size even if you don't make the leader boards!! You can not have multiple rankings / measurements on the leader boards,,,, only your best entry will make the boards with your one rifle.... You can however, have multiple leader-board entries by using two completely different semi auto rifles. In short, you can make as many attempts as you want with your rifle in order to improve your standing on the boards / get the best possible outcome with your rifle... no limits on entries..... the only way to be on the boards more than once at the same time is to use two different rifles.... Rock out as many semi auto rifles / entries as you want. Time to bust out that semi-auto collection!! All info is good info. Each rifle is different, has different optics, has different purpose, and different operators!!!! Be respectful of everyone's postings! Sub MOA or not, show off your rifle and skills! This is all in good fun!

15.) In the event of a tie value between multiple people, the first person to post wins.

16.) Only M.E.O.C.W. gauntlet test targets are allowed to have more than 30bullet holes in order to save time, bullets, and targets for perfecting your powder drop loads while also producing multiple entries on one pc of target paper for these shootout threads. Click on this link for more M.E.O.C.W. gauntlet test details: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...t-semi-auto-precision-shooters-reloaders.html

17.) IF and only IF, with a semi-auto, you get ALL 6 total groups, 5shots each, consecutively shot in one day of shooting, AT or UNDER .375moa ON EACH GROUP @ 100yards, THEN you will get the esteemed title of, "This person, (your name), with this semi-auto rifle, (type/brand of rifle), shoots .375moa ALL DAY LONG" on the original post!!!! You will be required to have caliper measurements with pics ON EACH GROUP if you think you made it this far!! No cheaters or you will be called out if anything looks fishy... Until then, you are mostly just full of BS! Which also goes for myself! I do NOT have a .375moa all day long rifle! My rifle and myself are more like a .8 to .9 all day long kind of team!! JK LOL

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THIS IS THE EXAMPLE ENTRY BELOW!! IF YOUR ENTRY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS, THEN IT WILL NOT COUNT. NO BS TALK IN YOUR ENTRY! IF YOU WANT TO BS TALK, DO IT IN ANOTHER REPLY TO THIS THREAD. Thank you! (STARTS TODAY 09/01/13)!!!

NOTE!! Please zero out your calipers on the bullet used, and measure outside to outside of bullet holes!!!

Shot with my ROCK RIVER ARMS EOP VARMINT WITH HARRIS BIPOD & REAR BAG @ 100YARDS!
Average was .7087
Best group was .179
Rifle used = ROCK RIVER ARMS EOP VARMINT
Barrel Length / Type = 18" BULL BARREL
Optics = moa/moa 4-16x50 vortex viper FFP
Mount = VORTEX "SEEKINS" LOW RINGS

Shot with reloads
2fired 5.56 LAKE CITY
cci 400's
23.8 gr varget
60 gr vmax bullet
2.25" COAL

1.172 + .385 + .179 + .866 + .623 + 1.027 = 4.252 / 6 = .7087 average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets:

Best group was .179" @ 100yards:

My rifle, ROCK RIVER ARMS EOP VARMINT, 18" BULL BARREL:

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ONLY BIPODS, MONOPODS, FRONT/REAR SANDBAGS ALLOWED!! 

THE FOLLOWING VISES, ADJUSTABLE FRONT RESTS, AND SLEDS ARE NOT ALLOWED:

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Helpful videos:

Shooting Fundamentals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9VTMzCiZtE

Understanding Minute of Angle (MOA):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA2PZBD5Tjg

Understanding Mils (Milliradians):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5AGsHSIsVo

Wind Estimation and Compensation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p026Y0WUy6Q

Scope Tracking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q886sc-2grk

Rifle sight in process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDrrJA14wtg

Practical D.O.P.E. (data on previous engagements):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJlVEsXZfPg

Shooting at angles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTSBcNgGMNo

Shooting Positions in the field:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lzvjGPgKE

elfster1234 · Apr 23, 2013

I stepped up the crown to .375 average so have fun with this.

bm11 · Apr 24, 2013

Very nice, glad to see this back! Should be fun.

lash · Apr 24, 2013

I won't be able to take the crown, but I did finally shoot this, too late for the last thread. I'll have to measure, mark it up, and post later this week. Thanks for starting this up again elfster.

elfster1234 · Apr 24, 2013

I figured it would be nice to start with a clean slate and to bump up the crown to .375 so I would think this should last for some time. More for fun and information than anything.

lash said:
I won't be able to take the crown, but I did finally shoot this, too late for the last thread. I'll have to measure, mark it up, and post later this week. Thanks for starting this up again elfster.

pmclaine · Apr 25, 2013

I didnt have an AR last time this came around but I hope to try my MWS and CQB out for fun.

I hope someone with an FD will post a target. I have yet to see any groups from this magical unicorn save the one 3 shot group they put out a while ago.

Plan on shooting Sunday, unsure if I will try this or test out the new steel at my clubs 300 before someone shoots the chains and ruins the targets.

tylerw02 · Apr 25, 2013

I may have to do this one. The school semester is over in a few weeks and my semi-auto should be arriving soon.

Mattrmvpd · Apr 25, 2013

I WILL be in on this NEXT weekend... MAY 3-4.

I SHOULD have my built AR10 (T) up and running with scope.

Thanks
Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.)

KevinB-KAC · Apr 25, 2013

I may have a go at it this time with a 3-18x Mk6 rather than my 1-8x CQBSS...

bm11 · Apr 25, 2013

Shot about 5 minutes ago. MWS, 16" chrome barrel, Schmidt 5-25 (Gen2 XR.) Atlas bipod, tab rear bag.

Groups 1-5 were Federal brass, 175 SMK, 2.810 COAL, 40.0g H4895, Fed 210m primers. Group 6 was the same load but a CCI BR2 primer. Ran out of federals.

The rifle:

1.029"+1.052"+1.099"+1.067"+0.722"+1.727"= 6.696"/6=1.116" average
1.116/1.047=1.066 MOA. Damn, not quite sub moa yet!
Best= 0.722"

-Bob

PS- calipers were zeroed on a .308 bullet, so the outside measurement is the true center to center measurement.

elfster1234 · Apr 25, 2013

nice shooting BM11 !!! YOU'RE THE PERSON TO BEAT!!! I might go this weekend with 3 different AR's.

elfy

Cartman · Apr 25, 2013

BM11, shouldn't that group be measured center to center of the furthest hits, not outer edge to outer edge?

USMAGator · Apr 25, 2013

Cartman said:
BM11, shouldn't that group be measured center to center of the furthest hits, not outer edge to outer edge?

It looks like he "zeroed" the calipers to .308 and measured outside to outside, based on the hashmarks. I was thinking the same thing when I first looked.

bm11 · Apr 25, 2013

Cartman said:
BM11, shouldn't that group be measured center to center of the furthest hits, not outer edge to outer edge?

Yes if you read my post, I zeroed the calipers for a 308 bullet. It is much more accurate to do that or measure outside edge to outside edge minus the bullet diameter than it is to approximate the center of the bullet holes.

elfster1234 · Apr 25, 2013

you can either zero out calipers on a bullet and go edge to edge..... or just go center to center.

both are fine

Cartman said:
BM11, shouldn't that group be measured center to center of the furthest hits, not outer edge to outer edge?

Cartman · Apr 25, 2013

bm11 said:
Yes if you read my post, I zeroed the calipers for a 308 bullet. It is much more accurate to do that or measure outside edge to outside edge minus the bullet diameter than it is to approximate the center of the bullet holes.

Didn't read the post -- just saw the picture and started scratching my head. Sorry for the confusion.

Dacam · Apr 26, 2013

bm11 said:
Yes if you read my post, I zeroed the calipers for a 308 bullet. It is much more accurate to do that or measure outside edge to outside edge minus the bullet diameter than it is to approximate the center of the bullet holes.

Great shooting brother!!!
Your the one to beat so far. I hope to get in on this one this time around. I just started handloading so I still have to develop a load first.
I don't think factory match ammo will be good enough.....lol

dk-1 · Apr 26, 2013

I'm gonna have to try this with my newest franken-build 15!!! Elf, you planning to re-open this for the bolt actions?

USMAGator · Apr 26, 2013

if the weather holds here, I'll be out Saturday putting one of these together. Love the thread, Elf!

elfster1234 · Apr 26, 2013

don't think so... just for semi-autos. might start one up on semi-auto 300yards, but not sure yet... only have the motivation to do one shootout thread right now...I think i'm going to the range tomorrow.... might give this a try.

dk-1 said:
I'm gonna have to try this with my newest franken-build 15!!! Elf, you planning to re-open this for the bolt actions?

elfster1234 · Apr 26, 2013

one thing is for damn sure..... sucks to be you right now if you don't reload!

RG in Idaho · Apr 26, 2013

100yards with harris bipod front & rear bag prone.
Average was1.06
Best group was .690
Rifle used = LMT MWS 7.62
Barrel Length / Type = 20" SS 1-11.25"
Optics = Leupold 3.5-10X40 TMR
Mount = Nightforce Unimount

175smk
45.0 Varget
CCI BR2
Win Brass
2.815 OAL

Measured with caliper zeroed on .308 bullet.

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

gang, could you please make sure you're following the example entry listed within the OP when making your entry postings. thank you!

that goes for both BM11 and RG in Idaho.. please fix your posts in order to be consistant.

bm11 · Apr 27, 2013

elfster1234 said:
gang, could you please make sure you're following the example entry listed within the OP when making your entry postings. thank you!

that goes for both BM11 and RG in Idaho.. please fix your posts in order to be consistant.

Ok no prob. What did I miss though?

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

bm11 said:
Ok no prob. What did I miss though?

thanks for getting yours fixed RG.

THIS IS THE EXAMPLE ENTRY BELOW!! IF YOUR ENTRY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS, THEN IT WILL NOT COUNT. NO BS TALK IN YOUR ENTRY! IF YOU WANT TO BS TALK, DO IT IN ANOTHER REPLY TO THIS THREAD. Thank you! (STARTS TODAY 04/23/13)!!! 

Shot with my 20"CL LMT MWS @ 100yards with harris bipod front & rear bag on bench.
Average was .749
Best group was .397
Rifle used = LMT MWS 7.62
Barrel Length / Type = 20" chrome lined heavy barrel
Optics = moa/moa 4-16x50 vortex viper FFP
Mount = Larue LT158 with 10moa cant

Shot with reloads
2fired 7.62 nato brass
cci 200's
40.5 gr varget
168gr AMAX
2.198 ogive seating depth / ~ about 2.809 coal

.397" + .613" + .910" + .738" + .806" + 1.030" = 4.494 / 6 = .749 average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets:

Best group was .397":

My rifle, 20"CL BARREL, LMT MWS 7.62:

pmclaine · Apr 27, 2013

Elf,

Whats your expectation of the cold bore shots? Are they supposed to be included in your 30 shots for record?

Will the powers that be get all out of joint if the target includes 2 shotholes out of the way in a corner to get the shooter/barrel ready to go?

This post is becoming epic. Ill expect it to be international soon with on scene referees.

bm11 · Apr 27, 2013

bm11 said:
First in. Nothing impressive, but glad my MWS is hanging around moa at this point.

Shot about 5 minutes ago. MWS, 16" chrome barrel, Schmidt 5-25 (Gen2 XR.) Atlas bipod, tab rear bag.

Groups 1-3 the first round opened up otherwise good groups. I found the lever on my Atlas half off, odd being that it has a lock button and I hadn't taken it off for anything.

Groups 1-5 were Federal brass, 175 SMK, 2.810 COAL, 40.0g H4895, Fed 210m primers. Group 6 was the same load but a CCI BR2 primer. Ran out of federals. Turns out the load doesn't work so hot with CCI primers!

1.029"+1.052"+1.099"+1.067"+0.722"+1.727"= 6.696"/6=1.116" average
1.116/1.047=1.066 MOA. Damn, not quite sub moa yet!
Best= 0.722"

This was my last chance to shoot for a week and a half, so I posted up what I got. Overall, pleased as the rifle was shooting 1.5" not long ago. Hoping once I get my stainless barrel back from LMT to do more serious load development and tighten up the average a bit. And actually shoot the rifle further than 100y too. Hahah

-Bob

PS- calipers were zeroed on a .308 bullet, so the outside measurement is the true center to center measurement.

Quoting myself in a reply to retain my comments in a section separate from my "official entry" post, per Elfs request.

PowerstrokeOBX · Apr 27, 2013

bm11 said:
Quoting myself in a reply to retain my comments in a section separate from my "official entry" post, per Elfs request.

I think you forgot to take a picture of the single best group with calibers???

You didn't give the gear specs in exact method Elf did.

PowerstrokeOBX · Apr 27, 2013

I started to do this but after the 3rd MOA group at 100 I gave up. Went to 500 and shot sub moa easily.

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

I usually shoot a couple foulers before I start my 30rounds down the tube.... obviously, just don't shoot at your target with the 2 foulers.... you can only have 30 shots on your target... no more, no less than 30rounds.

pmclaine said:
Elf,

Whats your expectation of the cold bore shots? Are they supposed to be included in your 30 shots for record?

Will the powers that be get all out of joint if the target includes 2 shotholes out of the way in a corner to get the shooter/barrel ready to go?

This post is becoming epic. Ill expect it to be international soon with on scene referees.

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

PowerstrokeOBX said:
I started to do this but after the 3rd MOA group at 100 I gave up. Went to 500 and shot sub moa easily.

you are awesome

PowerstrokeOBX · Apr 27, 2013

elfster1234 said:
you are awesome

Ha I wish. Shooting 100yds is suck a mindf*** for me. I can see the bullet holes too easy and get excited or frustrated thn screw up the rest of the group.. I might do it one day. I'm just hoping for sub moa shooting ability at 100.

I think I'll get a massive poster dial the scope 15 mils down so I can't even see the groups. It would probably help me a lot.

I don't do the gun justice at all.

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

Shot with my 20"CL LMT MWS @ 100yards with harris bipod front & rear bag on bench.

Average was .9418
Best group was .503
Rifle used = LMT MWS 7.62
Barrel Length / Type = 20" chrome lined heavy barrel
Optics = moa/moa 4-16x50 vortex viper FFP
Mount = Larue LT158 with 10moa cant

Shot with a mixture of different reloads (see pic, wish I had more 168smk's @ 40.5varget during the shoot.. only had 17 loaded on me! grrrr oh well)

calipers zero'd out on bullet before measurements

.533" + .503" + .513" + 1.993" + 1.157" + .952" = 5.651 / 6 = .9418 average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets:

best group @ .503

my rifle, LMT MWS 7.62 20" CL

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

Shot with my rock river arms EOP 18" ss bull barrel with bipod front and sandbag rear:

Average was .828
Best group was .517
Rifle used = ROCK RIVER ARMS EOP
Barrel Length / Type = 18" SS BULL
Optics = moa/moa 4-16x50 vortex viper FFP
Mount = VORTEX "SEEKINS" LOW RINGS

Shot with reloads:
3F BRASS
CCI 400
23.8 VARGET
60GR VMAX
COAL @ 2.25"

calipers zero'd out on bullet before measurements

.777" + .517" + 1.076" + .523" + .696" + 1.38" = 4.969 / 6 = .828 average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets:

best group .517

my rifle, rock river arms EOP 18" ss bull barrel

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

Shot with my DPMS 3G1 5.56 with 1-4 power vortex pst scope & bipod front and sandbag rear:

Average was 1.0235
Best group was .612
Rifle used = DPMS 3G1
Barrel Length / Type = 18" SS HEAVY BARREL
Optics = moa/moa 1-4x24 VORTEX PST W/CAPPED TURRETS
Mount = 2" OFFSET VORTEX 1PC MOUNT

Shot with multiple reloads (see pics)

calipers zero'd out on bullet before measurements

1.286" + .972" + 1.016" + .997" + 1.278" + .612" = 6.161 / 6 = 1.0268 average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets:

best group = .612 (sheessh, with FMJ!! LOL, dumb luck peps):

my rifle, DPMS 3G1 18" SS BARREL

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

lets just say I was busy today playing around with different loads... it was sooo nice today! blew off well over 200 rounds in .308 and 5.56. I think I got screwed over with fliers with each rifle but that is all part of the game. Oh well. All fun and games. One thing is for sure, load development plays a big part and I need more of it! LOL. I know I can do better than this... maybe another weekend... if we only had more time and ammo!

elfster1234 · Apr 27, 2013

I was hoping to get more out of my LMT MWS with the new once fired lake city 7.62 brass with 168 amax bullets (first time using LC in my LMT),,, 168amax has always worked really well for me in my LMT..... but then again I was thinking to myself I might need to fire it at least once to it is fire-formed to my LMT's chamber???... what do you guys think? how much would this really effect my accuracy? (see my LMT entry that I made today with 168amax to see what I'm talking about).

heydogman · Apr 28, 2013

DPMS LR 6.5 24" SS. Shot from bench with bipod and rear bag

Average: .934
Best Group:.496
Barrel:24" ss boat anchor
Optics:SWFA 10x42 Mil
Mount:Warne

0 fired Hornady brass
CCI 200
41g IMR4007ssc
107SMK

1.111+.730+1.118+.885+.496+1.264=.934 average

Took longer to post than to shoot.

elfster1234 · Apr 28, 2013

nice shooting bro!

heydogman said:
DPMS LR 6.5 24" SS. Shot from bench with bipod and rear bag

Average: .934
Best Group:.496
Barrel:24" ss boat anchor
Optics:SWFA 10x42 Mil
Mount:Warne

0 fired Hornady brass
CCI 200
41g IMR4007ssc
107SMK

1.111+.730+1.118+.885+.496+1.264=.934 average

Took longer to post than to shoot.

heydogman · Apr 28, 2013

I know we can shoot better,bro..Loading some 140 Barnes MB's,they usually shoot good.

elfster1234 · Apr 28, 2013

yeah, i'm going to load up 30 total old faithfuls.... either 168 hornady match bthp or in amax with 40.5varget. I was screwing around too much with different loads when I should've been sticking with one type that I know works well at 100yards.

what is strange is my rock river eop vmax pet load that I use for 300yards (and works well at 300yards) kinda works like crap at 100yards.. I still don't get this. It goes against all logic in my mind.

heydogman said:
I know we can shoot better,bro..Loading some 140 Barnes MB's,they usually shoot good.

bm11 · Apr 28, 2013

elfster1234 said:
I was hoping to get more out of my LMT MWS with the new once fired lake city 7.62 brass with 168 amax bullets (first time using LC in my LMT),,, 168amax has always worked really well for me in my LMT..... but then again I was thinking to myself I might need to fire it at least once to it is fire-formed to my LMT's chamber???... what do you guys think? how much would this really effect my accuracy? (see my LMT entry that I made today with 168amax to see what I'm talking about).

Shouldn't need to be fire formed. New brass has always been accurate for me, and a semi needs some tolerance anyhow, so it's not like you are running neck sized only brass, right?

USMAGator · Apr 29, 2013

Shot with my OBR 18" 7.62

Average was 0.999"
Best group was .0.387"
Rifle used = Larue OBR 7.62
Barrel Length / Type = 18"
Optics = NF 5.5-22x56, MLR reticle
Mount = Larue OBR QD mount

Ammunition was handloads:
168gr AMAX w/ Varget (42.5, 43.0, 44.0gr's, 2 groups with each load)
Winchester 2x fired brass
CCI #200 LRP
2.800" COAL

calipers zero'd out on bullet (.308") before measurements

0.522" + 1.566" + 0.781" + 0.983" + 0.387" + 1.755" = 5.994 / 6 = 0.999" average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets:

best group = 0.387" (43.0grs Varget)):

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It was looking really sweet until my 3rd shot on the last group (1" above the bottom dot). Still pleased with the results, but that really threw a wrench in my average. Love the thread, Elfster!

rpk762 · Apr 29, 2013

PowerstrokeOBX said:
Ha I wish. Shooting 100yds is suck a mindf*** for me. I can see the bullet holes too easy and get excited or frustrated thn screw up the rest of the group.. I might do it one day. I'm just hoping for sub moa shooting ability at 100.

I think I'll get a massive poster dial the scope 15 mils down so I can't even see the groups. It would probably help me a lot.

I don't do the gun justice at all.

That is what I do except I aim low with like a 800yd setting on my rifle. Have them land near aiming point get jacked up by this will be a group less then .1" then bang and I now have a 1" group. SHIT I know the sights where not on why did I shoot!

heydogman · Apr 29, 2013

100 yard bipod,rear bag,bench.
Rifle

PMS LR 6.5 CM
Barrel:24"SS Bull
Scope:SWFA Mil/Mil 10x42
Ammo:107SMK reload
.733+.910+1.364+.432+.762+.904====.850
Best group:.432

Got distracted on #2 by a nice brunette shooting prone beside me.Natural reaction to lean her way I guess.Will post pic of rifle later,late for work.

coach4christ · Apr 29, 2013

Shot with my 18" Bravo company upper on spikes lower @ 100yards with harris bipod front & rear bag prone.
Average was .8975
Best group was .369
Rifle used = Spikes lower+Bravo Co. .556 upper
Barrel Length / Type = 18" chrome lined
Optics = moa/moa 6.5-20x44 vortex viper
Mount = Vortex

Shot with FGMM 77 grain bthp

.369+.792+.649+.834+1.667+1.074=5.385/6 = 0.8975 average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets: Stinking first two groups killed me.

Best Group: .369

My Baby:

elfster1234 · Apr 29, 2013

damn, good shooting everyone!!! i'll get the boards updated after dinner tonight. I might go again this coming weekend. Going to take my other rock river arms operator2 that has a 1x aimpoint red dot just to see how I do. LOL!! what the hell right!

elfster1234 · Apr 29, 2013

BOARDS ARE UPDATED! nice round of shooting everyone! i'm going this weekend and i'm loading ammo as we speak. Man those fliers suck do they not!?!?

heydogman · Apr 29, 2013

I call them mental mistakes.

USMAGator · Apr 29, 2013

This really makes me want to finish my new build, I just can't find a gas tube....beautiful rifle waiting on a $12 part!
18" Rainier Ultramatch barrel, I've heard good things and can't wait to see how it shoots...

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