RUAG Swiss P 175 gr .308

[Gasgun]

Anybody have experience with this stuff?
Velocity/trajectory comparable to Fed GMM 175?
Accuracy in the ballpark with GMM?
Looking at it as a cheaper alternative for range ammo.

 

[muggs13]

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[Nik H]

I love RUAG

Shoot this and their 250 grain 338 LM. Very consistent.

It is hard to tell you about how it compares to FGMM 175 as it depends on your stick.

In my AXMC, the 100 yard zero is within 0.1 mil in elevation. I think the RUAG is a bit faster. Group size 100-300 yards where I have tested is very comparable....no real advantage...you will have different DOPE but that is to be expected

Hope it helps

 

[Gasgun]

I love RUAG

Shoot this and their 250 grain 338 LM. Very consistent.

It is hard to tell you about how it compares to FGMM 175 as it depends on your stick.

In my AXMC, the 100 yard zero is within 0.1 mil in elevation. I think the RUAG is a bit faster. Group size 100-300 yards where I have tested is very comparable....no real advantage...you will have different DOPE but that is to be expected

Hope it helps

That was exactly the info that I was looking for. Thanks.
I think I’ll give some a try.

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

The RUAG .308 Win. 175 gr Swiss P HPBT-Round reached in the 27,5-inch-Barrel of my D73 a Muzzle-Velocity of 780 m/s resp. 2559 f/s.

And shot accurate IMHO.

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

Without words

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

Thanks Gasgun.
This was for sure not the best possibly Group, by the way.

Because I was in a hurry, i had to measure the MV too..And the same with several other ammo-types.. .

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

Happy new year to all

Gasgun you asked for the MV of the two rounds, at the very beginning.. Yes.
Before i completely forget that: the Federal .308 Win. 175 grs Gold Medal Match reached in my 27,5-inch-Barrel an MV of 2585 f/s resp. 788 m/s. In the summer..
As an average of 10 Shots.

Perhaps this is also helpful for you.. .
BR

 

[308pirate]

Without words

Is that at 100 meters?

 

[Gasgun]

Happy new year to all

Gasgun you asked for the MV of the two rounds, at the very beginning.. Yes.
Before i completely forget that: the Federal .308 Win. 175 grs Gold Medal Match reached in my 27,5-inch-Barrel an MV of 2585 f/s resp. 788 m/s. In the summer..
As an average of 10 Shots.

Perhaps this is also helpful for you.. .
BR

Thank you!

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

Is that at 100 meters?

I found this target many years ago on the web.. .At least 15 Years ago. Unfortunately I don't know the distance that it is intended for, originally.
But I'm in doubt that it was intended for"only"100" yards resp. meters.
Considering now his size - most of my targets have no more their original size - it is very similar to a for 200 m reduced Swiss Army B-Target.. .

The Group size - Shot 5 : a traitor ;-) is 4 Shots within 3,8 cm resp. 1,5 Inches. By the way.

 

[pmclaine]

Is that at 100 meters?

I found this target many years ago on the web.. .At least 15 Years ago. Unfortunately I don't know the distance that it is intended for, originally.
But I'm in doubt that it was intended for"only"100" yards resp. meters.
Considering now his size - most of my targets have no more their original size - it is very similar to a for 200 m reduced Swiss Army B-Target.. .

The Group size - Shot 5 : a traitor ;-) is 4 Shots within 3,8 cm resp. 1,5 Inches. By the way.

The Squid is asking what distance it was shot at.

Target looks to indicate 780 meters - a very nice group.

The handwriting

Snipers Hide Penmanship Classroom

I’ll send my copy along when I finish leviathan.

www.snipershide.com

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

Thank you!

Hello Gasgun: not at all You're welcome.

Well.. A Forum has in my honest opinion one primarly purpose: offering help, offering informations. I can only add a bit.. . At least that.

Good night

 

[308pirate]

The Squid is asking what distance it was shot at.

Target looks to indicate 780 meters - a very nice group.

The handwriting

Snipers Hide Penmanship Classroom

I’ll send my copy along when I finish leviathan.

www.snipershide.com

780 m/s is measured MV

 

[308pirate]

I found this target many years ago on the web.. .At least 15 Years ago. Unfortunately I don't know the distance that it is intended for, originally.
But I'm in doubt that it was intended for"only"100" yards resp. meters.
Considering now his size - most of my targets have no more their original size - it is very similar to a for 200 m reduced Swiss Army B-Target.. .

The Group size - Shot 5 : a traitor ;-) is 4 Shots within 3,8 cm resp. 1,5 Inches. By the way.

What?

I asked a simple question: from what distance did you shoot that target.

All I need is a number. I already know it was in meters.

 

[pmclaine]

780 m/s is measured MV

Than the rest of the Euro scratching is 777-782 meters at 7.7 mils.

I can't figure out their self destruction don't ask me to decipher the da Vinci code.

No one in Europe should be posting here they should be driving a tractor and putting a capital under siege.

 

[308pirate]

Than the rest of the Euro scratching is 777-782 meters

If so thats an impressive group

No one in Europe should be posting here they should be driving a tractor and putting a capital under siege.

Or burning them to the ground

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

Than the rest of the Euro scratching is 777-782 meters at 7.7 mils.

I can't figure out their self destruction don't ask me to decipher the da Vinci code.

No one in Europe should be posting here they should be driving a tractor and putting a capital under siege.

Hey ! Nothing against the Europeans !! Please !

Two of our Gunny Sergeants don't want to take me seriously anymore, as it seems.. . Holy Crap !

Gentlemen: no da Vinci code, no self destruction, no tractors etc. here. It is much simpler.. . Luckywise.
(One country in northeast is somewhat under siege, already.. )

This Group originated during a ammo-testing resp. sight-in. I thought that this is obvious - at least for experts like you - in my first posts already. Not said in a bad way !
And as we see with this 780 m/s MV, a simple distance-info easily causes a wrong impression, misunderstandings. No thanks.
I don't want to cause that with my few additions.

As a Swiss I would be glad being able to shoot distances of 700 meters at ore more ! Few of us can do that, according to my 32 Years experience.
This is a very quickly shot 200 meter-group in the end - shot at 100 meters. A typical sight-in distance here. Getting the MV, and impression of function, recoil - and a first idea - of the accuracy, too. Many use here different target sizes .. . There was a .50 caliber-Sniping-Rifle-Shooter starting at 25 meters ! Yes. True.

Therefore has this Federal "Gold Medal"-Match 175 grs-round has a really good accuracy-potential to me. Shot with my old glasses, by the way The new are now in. One is waiting now for the good weather on Wednesday-afternoons.. .

Best regards. Have all a nice evening.

 

[308pirate]

This is a very quickly shot 200 meter-group in the end - shot at 100 meters.

What in tarnation does that even mean? So was it shot at 100 meters or 200?

Can you please just provide your answer as one three-digit number? No words.

There's a serious ESL barrier going on here.

 

[fdkay]

What in tarnation does that even mean? So was it shot at 100 meters or 200?

Can you please just provide your answer as one three-digit number? No words.

There's a serious ESL barrier going on here.

see my signature line

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

What in tarnation does that even mean? So was it shot at 100 meters or 200?

Can you please just provide your answer as one three-digit number? No words.

There's a serious ESL barrier going on here.

I'm afraid, it will not work without any words
Therefore I use a bit help:
Shown in pics, 1 pic says more than 1000 words.. .

100 m-Norma-Sight-in-Target, shot at 100 Meters. Only one size known for that. 3 7,5 Swiss RUAG Swiss P 175 gr Target: 11 mm at 100 m. Done.



Swiss Army-Target B, original: center 45 cm wide



The 5-Diamonds-Target and the to 20 cm wide re-duced B-Target are very similar. Other form: Thats half of the ca. 40 cm-shoulder of an average man.



As we don't shoot with our scope-rifles and such a special and expensive ammo on"fun-targets" , I like to interprete this target in this way. Got it ?
Now it's up to you.

Maybe I find the distance this 5 Diamonds-Target is originally intended for. A bit later.. .

Best regards

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

see my signature line

Hmmm ? What please ?

Good night

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

I add this pictures, too. First the Federal .308 Win. 175 gr HPBT "Gold Medal" Match.
Same target, same distance, same horrible aiming as with the RUAG Swiss P Target:
5 Shots in 37 mm resp. 1,45 inches. A Fine start.

Plus the newest pic of the 7,5 Swiss 175 gr HPBT Swiss P Target, the"rare Sibling" of the others
I've been thinking about all that last Wednesday ;-)
10 Shots in the Center, of which 4 in 21 mm. Nice.

BR

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

There is another target-Example used at the 100 m-distance. Considering the difficulty-level it enables greater distances, given by several sizes.

It is intended for 25m, originally.

Foreground: 50 m-Target. This is in the first found size 14,5 cm wide. A 275 Meters- or 300 Yards-Target is the result.

Then the second line-target is half this size and is therefore a 550 m- resp. 600 Yards-Target.

The third-line-target could be a 800m-Target, if I can enlarge it just a bit yet. To 5 cm wide.

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

I'm testing the different options to add a picture...

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

RUAGs 7,5 mm Swiss 175 gr HPBT Swiss P Target and his predecessor Swiss Munition SM 175 grs Match-Training work really well.. .

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

The SM-Round int the old Box appeared suddenly here...

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

In several shops.. What a surprise

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

An ammo which shows a accuracy-potential of 5 shots within 19 mm until 5 shots within 28 mm at 100 meters in a barely tuned rifle is a not only desirable ammo.
She is really valuable, not ?

 

[Winchester M70 Van Orden]

I could not find the distance for which the 5 Diamond-Targets have been intended originally.. Unfortunately... To keep my promise.
I suppose it's because of his size for at least 200 Yards if not 300 Yards intended, originally..
The size of the big centered Diamond is 10 cm wide and 10 cm high/approx. 4 in. wide/4 in. high.

This target is in his original size printed out. As an exception. Perhaps somebody here who knows the different targets better than I do knows the solution.. .