Rural road, high speed, need info.

[forrestgump01]

If you ask for a courtesy patrol, be prepared to get the first ticket.

That would be hilarious, but then he would go full Karen for being pulled over and say local law won't do there job and lets everyone else speed .

 

[OREGUN]

So
"We are taking over, and there's nothing gonna stop us." Lol....okay.

That’s pretty much it.

Laws only work if the governed choose to obey them. When was the last time anyone drove the actual, posted speed limit? I haven’t seen anything within 10 of the posted limit in 5 years. Lane discipline around corners and through intersections? Ha! Drive as fast as you want or think you can survive because absolutely no one is going to stop you.

Politicians don’t follow the laws, clergy don’t follow the laws, cops don’t follow the laws, why the fuck should the average citizen?

And if you think there’s any difference between a hood rat saying “fuck da po-lice” and a self-styled John Galt wannabe saying “this is rural America and mind your own business”, there’s not.

 

[308pirate]

My street is 35 (and most drive 50 or so) because if it was the more realistic 45, then they'd all drive 60 or more. E

Bullshit. Another dumbass who doesn't understand what the 85th percentile is as it relates to setting speed limits and traffic enforcement.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is why the USA has idiotic speed limits that no one respects.

The Ohio State Highway Patrol, once thought of as one of the most draconian speed limit enforcers, officially doesn't give a shit until you're past 80 mph on limited access highways. They won't say it in public, but I have friends in the Patrol and that is fact.

 

[brianf]

Bullshit. Another dumbass who doesn't understand what the 85th percentile is as it relates to setting speed limits and traffic enforcement.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is why the USA has idiotic speed limits that no one respects.

The Ohio State Highway Patrol, once thought of as one of the most draconian speed limit enforcers, officially doesn't give a shit until you're past 80 mph on limited access highways. They won't say it in public, but I have friends in the Patrol and that is fact.

10000%

line of sight
grade
camber
material
entrance and exit speed differential

the list goes on

 

[Maggot]

This thread reminds me of my childhood in the mid 1970's. We lived in a rural area and we had dirt and gravel mix roads. A neighbor's kid had a VW that had mud tires on the rear and after rains had softened up the road, he would cut ruts, do donuts, etc., right in front of our house. My dad, who has always been foolishly fearless, put his pistol in his waistband and went out, stopped the driver and did not ask, but told him to stop ripping up the road. The kid was a smart mouth, so my dad pulls the pistol and tells the kid that if he catches him doing it again, he'll put a bullet in all four tires. The kid races off, but we never see him, again. Evidently the kid, or his parents called the sheriff's office and complained. A deputy came out and lightly scolded my dad, but no citation, etc. Today, the SWAT team would have been deployed and my dad would have been arrested and probably done jail time. Times have changed.

Today youre dad would have been shot in the back...right after they shot your chihuahua and beagle.

 

[DuneBoer]

Move back to California.

 

[tiNdvenTFHwMdqKW]

Potholes slow people down. Potholes are easy to make.

 

[eflyguy]

Bullshit. Another dumbass who doesn't understand what the 85th percentile is as it relates to setting speed limits and traffic enforcement.

Well, that's what the Sheriffs office told me when they followed up after the device was removed.

Also my BIL who was county officer for a couple of decades.

Possibly unique here in GA.

 

[stefan73]

Potholes slow people down. Potholes are easy to make.

Potholes come with the paved roads here in Louisiana.

 

[BytorJr]

10000%

line of sight
grade
camber
material
entrance and exit speed differential

the list goes on

I hope my previous post didn't sound like a "Karen." But, as I think Brian knows, I'm a huge racing fan, have taught more than a few DE schools so I agree with this list. I hate the "they're over the speed limit shit" as a general rule. Because if "speed kills" anybody that's flown in an airplane would be dead by their definition.

I guess my point should be and I think most folks, including Brian here, got the point was that it is more about driving for conditions than all out speed. Like my example of 70 and even 100 on a 4 lane road (5 with turn lane) with subdivision ingress/egress ever 1/8 of a mile is driving too fast for conditions. Now, 100 mph on Interstate 22, especially when it first opened (or was about to officially be an interstate) was COMPLETELY safe if the person's vehicle was maintained. One could be the only car on the road for 1-2-3 miles at a time (including opposite bound traffic).

They opened up a new 4 lane here across the mountain. Plenty of room to have error (full shoulder) before ARMCO, nice wide lanes you can actually turn-in, apex, and track-out properly. Speed limit...40. The other road, skinny lanes, and about 6" between ARMCO and white line - speed limit 45-55. So, of course, EVERYBODY speeds on the 40mph road. Heck, before it was 2 lanes my father asked me why the heck the speed limit was 40, and thought it should be 55 and he was no speed demon.

It's absolutely NOT about speed. It's about conditions. Reminding me of I believe Nigel Mansell riding to Silverstone with Nelson Piquet and he got out of the car white knuckled and I think kissed the ground. Nigel said the guy was completely insane with no regards for safety or conditions. A great example of this is what happened to the Carrera GT that Paul Walker was in: 1) improper place to be doing that shit, 2) car not properly maintained (very, very old tires).

So to the OP, is it really that dangerous to be doing 70? Or is 35 actually too slow. Would it be a problem if the cars were "Tesla quiet?"

 

[Ozarkcop]

buy a cheap radar gun off ebay. you will be surprised by what peoples actual speed is I about guarantee that you are at least 15 mph off of their actual speed.

 

[Rubicon Precision]

I wish people would speed on the rural roads around here. It's all 55mph, and I'm always stuck behind someone hauling horses at 21.2 mph and refusing to use turnouts....

 

[Snipe260]

You know you are right.


OP. Spike strip that mother fucker!

No. What happens is this.
A bunch of Karen's get up the laws dander.
Next thing you know, we have new laws in the county that no one wanted, except some folks that liked the area and decided to leave the rat race and oppressive codes that they foisted upon their neighbors elsewhere.

Does your wife play in the road?

You are responsible for your animals.

I live on the same kind of road.
The neighbors do talk about the road. The discussion centers around keeping our animals locked up and being careful pulling onto the road. You know why? Cause everyone speeds.

I actually want the beach traffic that comes through here to go as fast as possible. If they go too slow they might stay. Then the next thing you know, there's a New Yorker setting up his very own speed trap. Next thing you know, he will be complaining about the smell from the chicken houses.

Yeah...I've seen this before.

Again. When you've got a fucking meth house 100yds away...then you have problems that need solutions.

And I have that solution!

 

[Snipe260]

And I have that solution! But it may require a short stint in San Quentin!

 

[BAMAboy18]

Funny how it always seems so much more important when it's the road you live on. I'm guilty of the same. But I live on a state highway, 55mph, and a major beach route, every weekend it's like a race track. 2 mo ago a 16yo driving with 2 siblings were killed in a head on only 1/4 mile from my property. At a detour road block, some jerk deputy tried crawling my ass for not veering into the detour. I gave a little back telling him if maybe he'd been there earlier he may have save those kids and not be having to stand there detouring traffic. I know they have jobs to do, but I'm not the guy you try to bully because you have a badge. 70 in a 35 is worrisome but you'll never catch them all. If it were me, a flashing red/blue light gets a lot of attention, until the regulars get used to it...

 

[HeavyAssault]

1) Load up the manure trailer.
2) Drive up and down the road till you encounter the "suspect"
3) Hit the switches....

 

[BytorJr]

Funny how it always seems so much more important when it's the road you live on. I'm guilty of the same. But I live on a state highway, 55mph, and a major beach route, every weekend it's like a race track. 2 mo ago a 16yo driving with 2 siblings were killed in a head on only 1/4 mile from my property. At a detour road block, some jerk deputy tried crawling my ass for not veering into the detour. I gave a little back telling him if maybe he'd been there earlier he may have save those kids and not be having to stand there detouring traffic. I know they have jobs to do, but I'm not the guy you try to bully because you have a badge. 70 in a 35 is worrisome but you'll never catch them all. If it were me, a flashing red/blue light gets a lot of attention, until the regulars get used to it...

Makes sense though why people think it's much more important. Statistically one is much more likely to get into a wreck within 3-5 miles of their AO than anywhere else because that's truly the area of primary operation.

 

[stefan73]

That's what's truly disturbing about society and the "young people" today, they have absolutely no compassion or humanity or concern. All they care about is being "entertained" and the more somebody gets hurt, actually the more they like it.

That's why I like animals so much better than most folks. You see some animal hurt, (that is not of a solitary type species), and there is a good chance there is a group of their peers trying to help them, trying to keep predators away, trying to comfort them, trying to drag them out of harm's way.

So when humans can't even be as decent as birds, monkeys, dogs, cows, deer etc, you kind of tend to think of those types as wastes of air that would be better off being fertilizer to help the animals. Especially if they can help the animals twice.... Once for hungry animals that eat meat... then when processed into "fertilizer" by said digestive systems, helping plants to grow bigger/better/faster so the vegetation eating animals can be happy.

But then again, I'm a bit of a cynic these days...

They lack respect and courtesy. I live in the country. If you are out away from the houses and people and want to blast around that is fine.

 

[powdahound76]

Maybe move back into the City in California where you came from and see if things are more to your liking there?
We had a "New" neighbor, from California, that bought 1.3 acres and the old wisow's home when she died, 1 and a half miles East of me about 3 years ago.
Strange trippy cunt that put up a bunch of "SLOW DOWN" signs and wanted all of us to slow down to 20 MPH in front of her house.
She would stand out in front on the side of the road and wave her paddle sign at us and holler bad words at us no matter if you were driving a tractor and plow moving to the next field or a semi during harvest.
She ended up with most of us driving faster than normal just to piss her off and she registered complaints with the SO on all of us who have lived here all of our lives.
The Sheriff investigated and while there got a warrent and searched the place for an illegal grow of marijuana, more than 300 plants, and her ass landed in jail that night and later in prison after her trial. Fuck with the bull and get the horns.
The place is abandoned now and we still drive the way we always have.

Tell me about this house.
im ready to look out that way.

i will prolly drive like an asshole in my ‘85 Ford though.
fast, dust flying, sliding corners.

tossing empties at road signs like the Kareem Abduhl Jabaar sky hook, but lefty.
I mean. I heard about that happening once.

 

[wildcats]

Let it go! Ironically one day that person will end up on your front door asking for help when his/her car ends up on it's roof on that road.

 

[308pirate]

They opened up a new 4 lane here across the mountain. Plenty of room to have error (full shoulder) before ARMCO, nice wide lanes you can actually turn-in, apex, and track-out properly. Speed limit...40.

This is why speed limits are so ignored in this country

 

[dragman]

right wrong or whatever, I tend to just mind my own business as best as I can. Now with your issue, I will not tolerate someone bothering my peace at my own house and I will do whatever has to be done to be happy at my own house.
Not the same issue but similar:
I live on a private lane and actually own the lane and property on both sides. I have thrown many of dirt bike riders off and most are cool about it and don't come back. I had one kid who made it a game. loaded up the guns and chased him down. shot in the air (didn't have to shoot him) and made him understand if he came back it I wasn't going to be nice lol
Saw the cops later that week and they thanked me, guess the kid was bothering lots of others around the rural community and the cops would chase him and he would just go in the woods. When he cried to them about me they told him he was lucky and he should probably not go back.

 

[akmike47]

Probably pulls into the passing lane to hold up traffic because you feel they are driving too fast and really want to show them what for!

 

[vinniedelpino]

The “mind your own business” response is retarded. Seeing so many positive responses is embarrassing.

I wonder if you’d be saying the same thing if a crack dealer started peddling rocks in the middle of the street in front of your house.

I had one jackass recently smash a light pole at 3am in front of my house bad enough that it locked up the horn for a few minutes until we went out and cut the cable to the battery. Then the asshole picked his dry cleaning from the back seat and walked off covered in blood. The kids never went back to sleep that night and I got to wake up extra early to sweep up the mess. Others hit dogs, deer, blow apart garbage pails, mailboxes etc. Nobody’s coming to clean up the mess or fix that shit for you in the country. I spend at least an hour each week cleaning up garbage along the road in front of the house.

Some people give a shit about their neighborhoods. Save the mind your own business mentality for NY, Chicago and other blue shitholes.

 

[Snipe260]

Maybe move back into the City in California where you came from and see if things are more to your liking there?
We had a "New" neighbor, from California, that bought 1.3 acres and the old wisow's home when she died, 1 and a half miles East of me about 3 years ago.
Strange trippy cunt that put up a bunch of "SLOW DOWN" signs and wanted all of us to slow down to 20 MPH in front of her house.
She would stand out in front on the side of the road and wave her paddle sign at us and holler bad words at us no matter if you were driving a tractor and plow moving to the next field or a semi during harvest.
She ended up with most of us driving faster than normal just to piss her off and she registered complaints with the SO on all of us who have lived here all of our lives.
The Sheriff investigated and while there got a warrent and searched the place for an illegal grow of marijuana, more than 300 plants, and her ass landed in jail that night and later in prison after her trial. Fuck with the bull and get the horns.
The place is abandoned now and we still drive the way we always have.

That was her way of flirting g with you foul one! You made her moist!

 

[Jigstick]

Since you seem to have a lot of free time to police the street just sit there then. And when you see a speeding car coming heave a bucket of roof buttons out onto the road.

 

[308pirate]

Since you seem to have a lot of free time to police the street just sit there then. And when you see a speeding car coming heave a bucket of roof buttons out onto the road.

Another good way to end up eating through a straw

 

[akmike47]

Another good way to end up eating through a straw

Ambulance gets a flat responding to your own cluster fuck lol


It’s a half hour or more to a gas station at my peoples place. When we see people haul ass down the dirt road we go on about our business as usual. If you crash going 60 on sugar sand and rock it’s on you. Faster they drive the faster they’re gone.

I think I’ve seen a police car 2-3 times on that road my whole life up there.

 

[AllenOne1]

Usually when I see people out on our gravel roads driving like shit, I throw my beer bottle at them.

From your car window?

 

[308pirate]

When we see people haul ass down the dirt road we go on about our business as usual. I

What if it's Petter Solberg?

 

[LuvDog]

I was just reading this on jalopnik earlier today

Detroit Denied This Man's Requests For Speed Bumps, Then He Got Hit By A Speeding Truck

He made hundreds of reports of speeding drivers to Detroit.

jalopnik.com

 

[BufordTJustice]

IED's... might not slow the first one down till it's too late...but it'll make the next one think. Disclaimer(for the sensitive, triggered type) I'm just kidding! Do not take my advise seriously!

 

[Mk16.5]

Fun stuff!! Where I grew up, if a car was coming down the road you got behind a tree of fence post because they would come after you just for sport!

I live in a similar road. I drive home at 5-10mph over the speed limit because it is dead straight and the houses are about 100yds off the road so who cares. One day a distant neighbor like you was sitting in the road, reading his mail and blocking the lane of travel. I simply passed him. He became enraged and chased me trying to ram my car. I drove him to a remote abandoned gravel pit and he got out of his car screaming about how he was going to race by my house now that he knew where I lived. His choice of weapons was inadequate and I inspired him to leave me alone.

Before you do something dumber than usual, call the non-emergency line to whatever law enforcement agency covers your area. Complain about speeders and have useful information. The typical time of day, a description of the car or cars, speeds you estimate they are traveling and ask for a courtesy patrol. Or be a douchebag and get one of those green plastic kids with a flag that says "Slow down". Get a game camera and have 1200 car pictures a week. You can always be that douche who runs out the end of his driveway or side street without stopping and forces cars to slow down or swerve to avoid him, people love that guy.

We have teenagers who are spinning doughnuts in the frigging intersections like the hoodrats from Youtube and that sucks. Luckily they grow up or die in accidents. The last crop of young assholes(about 5 years ago) were trying to drift on the gravel road that goes past my house with one idiot hanging out of the window. The window idiot hit a tree on my property with his head and chest at about 2am and laid in the street while his friends filmed him and laughed. Two miles away at the other end of the road, some idiot collected up a 100ft tall tree in some ladies from yard and croaked himself, a drunk. She had breakfast on the porch watching them haul off the copse. she smiled and waved at my wife and I as we trolled by gawking. The tree is doing fine, btw. Maybe you wait and this problem fixes itself

 

[nikonNUT]

Hell, when I was a punk kid we would tear down the dirt road to my house at night. If you weren't the lead car and could suddenly see you were fucked! Cleaned a barb wired fence that way and ended up 300 feet off in a field. Tapped on the door at 2 in the morning and fessed up. Went back to fix the fence the next morning and the properly owner came up while I was a replacing a t-post. "Damnit, Boy! You sure tore some shit up!" I figured there was more coming and stammered my apology. Fuzz just smiled a shit eating grin and said "Ya'll were just having fun. Don't worry about it. If ya'll really piss me off I'll just roll a few pieces of stove wood out in the road." Yep...Message received! I calmed the fuck down after that!

 

[Waknstak]

I live in a pretty rural county. On a township road that doesn't get plowed in the winter constantly have fkids stuck looking for a pull. That is one thing but some fuckstick coming by @ 70 plus mph while my 7 year old is mowing the ditch fuckin pisses me off..... I ran this pink haired mfker down and chewd his ass out while his gf was more than likely filming me on her phone but he has been a lot better now going by. I actually wave now and if I see him I may say hey I'm sorry I was such a dick but you need to slow down and thank you for doing so....

 

[308pirate]

I was just reading this on jalopnik earlier today

Detroit Denied This Man's Requests For Speed Bumps, Then He Got Hit By A Speeding Truck

He made hundreds of reports of speeding drivers to Detroit.

jalopnik.com

Detroit and Shitcago are in a class by themselves


Watch the far left lane at the very beginning

 

[Alpine 338]

Open Range here. Last week two Cows and a Deer where hit in the same 100-ft section of the road running in from of my neighborhood (speed limit is 45). That section of road is the crest of a small hill. The two Cow collisions I assume we're excessive speed, and my assumptions are fairly accurate. One of them I came across just a few minutes after it happened on my way home, Chevy Tahoe was smashed real good, front end was moved back even with the front tires. Weird thing was the airbags didn't deploy? People were from California.

 

[chevy_man]

Generally, you can request a presence patrol in your area by just asking for one and explaining your concerns. This may or may not get you very far, though (depending on staffing, geographical size of the jurisdiction, and time of day/op tempo for that shift).

You may be able to hire a police officer for an off-duty gig. Its all done on the up and up through the department, if they have sufficiemt staff (any peace officer in your state can do it, so check with county and state if the local agency can't accommodate).

As for data gathering, you already seem to know when someone is driving 70mph on your street. So why not just record dates and times in a notebook? If you see a pattern, there's your answer.

I had someone call the county on me repeatedly. He called in my plate number with a complaint every time he saw a blue truck. Did not work out well for him once they figured out what he was doing. The kicker is I wasn't ever around his neighborhood, he just thought my truck looked familiar at the grocery store.

County guys started driving by his house at 35 and they'd get a call within minutes that someone went past at 70+ and give them my plate number.


Unless you have a calibrated radar, you don't actually know the speed. Most you can do is ask them to patrol it a few times a week and hope they catch a few tickets.

 

[akmike47]

What if it's Petter Solberg?

Seeing as how there’s a few good spots for a rally car to jump, some good curvy sections, and long straights I’d ask for a ride.

There’s a spot with a long flat straight to an off camber curve over a steep hill that would be like the gif but more air followed by a long sweeper and another good “jump”.

I grew up hauling ass up and down there on go karts and 4 wheelers never had the cops called, just slow down and wave by the houses lol

 

[308pirate]

I’d ask for a ride.

He gave a dealership's mechanics a ride alright

 

[6.5SH]

He gave a dealership's mechanics a ride alright

ROFL "Are you the owner of this parking lot young man?"

 

[Naaman]

I had someone call the county on me repeatedly. He called in my plate number with a complaint every time he saw a blue truck. Did not work out well for him once they figured out what he was doing. The kicker is I wasn't ever around his neighborhood, he just thought my truck looked familiar at the grocery store.

County guys started driving by his house at 35 and they'd get a call within minutes that someone went past at 70+ and give them my plate number.


Unless you have a calibrated radar, you don't actually know the speed. Most you can do is ask them to patrol it a few times a week and hope they catch a few tickets.

I was considering addressing this in the OP.

Part of radar training does happen to be visual speed estimation. In order to qualify on radar (where I worked), the officer had to be able to estimate speed within 3 MPH before consulting the radar. In other words, the radar cannot be the first indicator that someone is speeding. The officer "is supposed" to first suspect that a driver is speeding by visually witnessing the driver's speed. Then, use his training to determine the speed just by visual estimation. Then use the radar to "confirm" the speed. If the radar does not register within 3 mph of the officer's estimate, then he's not supposed to initiate a traffic stop for a specific speed (but there is always the "reasonable and prudent" approach, as well).

In training, after a while, I was able to consistently estimate to within 1mph by observation alone. So it can be done, but most folks really have no idea how fast a car is going.

I was driving 19mph in my neighborhood one day (speed limit 25), and a kid popped out about 50m in front of me (plenty of room) on his bike. I hit the brakes hard enough to dip the nose of my car, and some folks standing outside who saw it yelled at me not to drive so fast.


I'm not big on regular civilians trying to enforce the law, or even having cops take specific action against individual drivers based on a civilian's report.

Your experience is exactly why. There are too many things about Constitutional rights that (unfortunately) most Americans just don't understand. People also tend to be egocentric, and can't seem to conceive of any possibility that their interpretation of what happened could be "missing context," and they try to use cops like a gestapo.

 

[Beefmanne]

From your car window?

Duh!

 

[forrestgump01]

I was considering addressing this in the OP.

Part of radar training does happen to be visual speed estimation. In order to qualify on radar (where I worked), the officer had to be able to estimate speed within 3 MPH before consulting the radar. In other words, the radar cannot be the first indicator that someone is speeding. The officer "is supposed" to first suspect that a driver is speeding by visually witnessing the driver's speed. Then, use his training to determine the speed just by visual estimation. Then use the radar to "confirm" the speed. If the radar does not register within 3 mph of the officer's estimate, then he's not supposed to initiate a traffic stop for a specific speed (but there is always the "reasonable and prudent" approach, as well).

I'm going to bite . I would bet that even when this protocol is actually followed, (and I doubt it is the majority of the time ) when it is followed and the officers confirmation doesn't match his estimate , he just makes the stop anyway , how could that even be proven that he did or didn't follow protocol.

I'm not saying you couldn't get be good at judging speed but I have a hard time believing you can look at a car doing 87 mph and guess to within 3 mph . If you can then you should get a gig as a scout for major league pitchers .

 

[Jigstick]

Another good way to end up eating through a straw

Bring it pussy

 

[forrestgump01]

OP , here is the solution , put a couch in the yard by the road , throw a bunch of beer bottles around and pretend to be passed out . Guaranteed you get cars to slow down. Hell you may even get lucky enough that they stop to walk up and draw a dick on your forehead , in which case then you can do what you see fit !

 

[Ozarkcop]

if you ever run a radar for any length of time it is not hard to to estimate the speed within 5 mph but I was amazed how far off I was the first time I tired it.

 

[Naaman]

I'm going to bite . I would bet that even when this protocol is actually followed, (and I doubt it is the majority of the time ) when it is followed and the officers confirmation doesn't match his estimate , he just makes the stop anyway , how could that even be proven that he did or didn't follow protocol.

I'm not saying you couldn't get be good at judging speed but I have a hard time believing you can look at a car doing 87 mph and guess to within 3 mph . If you can then you should get a gig as a scout for major league pitchers .

Noone actually believes that this can be done consistently... lol.

Even still, it's only really "necessary" when setting up a speed trap. If you're already driving, you can just get behind the driver and pace him (police cars typically have certified speedos).

In other words, if you see someone zip by faster than the prevailing speed of traffic, you just have to get in behind his vehicle, and use your own speedo to confirm speed. In such a case, the "reasonable and prudent" clause can be used instead of "exceeding the speed limit."

 

[forrestgump01]

Noone actually believes that this can be done consistently... lol.

Even still, it's only really "necessary" when setting up a speed trap. If you're already driving, you can just get behind the driver and pace him (police cars typically have certified speedos).

In other words, if you see someone zip by faster than the prevailing speed of traffic, you just have to get in behind his vehicle, and use your own speedo to confirm speed. In such a case, the "reasonable and prudent" clause can be used instead of "exceeding the speed limit."

Not saying I don't believe you , it's just going to be a skill that some can do and some that just can't. Some are proficient at Range estimation and some are not.

 

[shoobe01]

...If you're already driving, you can just get behind the driver and pace him (police cars typically have certified speedos)...

Ha! Reminds me... This was way back in the late 70s but I recall one of my dad's unmarked takehomes (a giant Plymouth... something) had a certified speedo. You could tell because it had a sticker that said so, and a bit frilly bit of paper in the glovebox saying it again.

Least accurate speedometer ever. Off like 20 at highway speeds.