RWS100

Lastsaint21

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I am seeing this stuff around and I don't mind paying for good ammo if it works in my gun..My worry is if It works, do I still need to worry about it going transonic in the summer? Will that throw off accuracy? Does anyone shoot RWS100 in the hotter months and if so does it still perform well?

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this thought was offered by grauhanen after a box of Australian made Winchester 40 grain Power Points
shot as well or better than match grade 22lr at 200 yards....


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The explanation for the unusually good-for-HV ammo results is straightforward, if unexpected. It appears that since the vertical spread is relatively small at 200 yards, the ammo has a relatively small extreme spread. It also must be relatively consistent in its component characteristics, with bullets seated consistently in the casings. In other words, this was a particularly good batch of high velocity .22LR ammo, not cursed with the usual and expected high extreme spread and inconsistent components and assembly.

More interesting and important, Is there such a thing as "supersonic transition" that's supposed to prevent good results?

The ammo in question has a factory-rated MV of 1280 fps and never exceeds "transonic" velocities. In order for projectiles to experience accuracy robbing transonic turbulence, they must slow down from higher velocities into the transonic zone, which is from about 1340 to 890 fps. When they do, they experience transonic turbulence. Depending on the distance, centerfire ammo can be at risk of experiencing this challenge to accuracy. Most high velocity .22LR ammo is not -- unless it's hyper velocity ammo with MVs in excess of about 1340 fps.

It was confirmed in 1990 by Robert McCoy that .22LR ammo with transonic zone velocities (from about 1340 fps to 890 fps) doesn't suffer from the increased pitching and yawing that causes the flight instability associated with bullets slowing down into the transonic zone from considerably greater velocities. See conclusion #5, p.11 in Robert McCoy "AERODYANMIC CHARACTERISTICS OF CALIBER .22 LONG RIFLE MATCH AMMUNITION" https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a229713.pdf
 
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this thought was offered by grauhanen after a box of Australian made Winchester 40 grain Power Points
shot as well or better than match grade 22lr at 200 yards....


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The explanation for the unusually good-for-HV ammo results is straightforward, if unexpected. It appears that since the vertical spread is relatively small at 200 yards, the ammo has a relatively small extreme spread. It also must be relatively consistent in its component characteristics, with bullets seated consistently in the casings. In other words, this was a particularly good batch of high velocity .22LR ammo, not cursed with the usual and expected high extreme spread and inconsistent components and assembly.

More interesting and important, Is there such a thing as "supersonic transition" that's supposed to prevent good results?

The ammo in question has a factory-rated MV of 1280 fps and never exceeds "transonic" velocities. In order for projectiles to experience accuracy robbing transonic turbulence, they must slow down from higher velocities into the transonic zone, which is from about 1340 to 890 fps. When they do, they experience transonic turbulence. Depending on the distance, centerfire ammo can be at risk of experiencing this challenge to accuracy. Most high velocity .22LR ammo is not -- unless it's hyper velocity ammo with MVs in excess of about 1340 fps.

It was confirmed in 1990 by Robert McCoy that .22LR ammo with transonic zone velocities (from about 1340 fps to 890 fps) doesn't suffer from the increased pitching and yawing that causes the flight instability associated with bullets slowing down into the transonic zone from considerably greater velocities. See conclusion #5, p.11 in Robert McCoy "AERODYANMIC CHARACTERISTICS OF CALIBER .22 LONG RIFLE MATCH AMMUNITION" https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a229713.pdf
Loved going thru that link...reminded me of looking at a microfiche..thank you for that info!!
 
Just for comparison...


RWS 100



RWS R50



Lapua CenterX



SK Pistol Match Special



SK Semi-Auto



SK Biathlon Sport

 
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Just for comparison...


RWS 100



RWS R50



Lapua CenterX



SK Pistol Match Special



SK Semi-Auto



SK Biathlon Sport

I was able to shoot this weekend. at 35 degrees I still got 1150fps..the lot I went with had an SD of 4.5 for a box. I read your post and went and checked the 200 yard targets (had them in the car). I have 1.75'' vertical spread at 200. Was only 20 shots.
 
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You had a 20 shot group sub-moa at 200 yards? Daaaaayyyyyyuuuummmmmm!

Ya' forgot the rifle pron to go with y'er results.
Extremely important for us to get through the work week.
Pics of the setup, view downrange and the results with a reference object in the image. ;)
 
Sorry the one is turned and I don’t know how to turn it back.
 

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Questions for folks..When I started shooting this ammo it was cooler..zero at 35 degrees. I have been shooting it now that it's gotten warmer and I am noticing, the warmer it is, the Higher my SD's are getting. I went from the 6.5 ish range for 50 shots to 11 to 12 range...it's about 30 degrees warmer. I wonder if this is a standard thing that happens? As temps warm up the SD's go up? Could also be this particular brick isn't as good to I guess. Still good, just not as good.