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SAI 10 1-10
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That will be interesting!
I really appreciate my SAI 1-6 for run and gun (basically a variable acog), I would like to see one in person to see what the final product is like to include reticle scaling, eyebox, image quality, etc.
I really appreciate my SAI 1-6 for run and gun (basically a variable acog), I would like to see one in person to see what the final product is like to include reticle scaling, eyebox, image quality, etc.
Would have been nice with a 34mm tube allowing for a larger erector and slightly larger glass of maybe 28mm albeit with a weight penalty. With a relatively small 24mm objective I would expect the image to be quite dark on 10x regardless of "glass quality" a 1-8 might have been a more appropriate magnification range for that size of lens & tube. I hope the turrets are improved as that was my major complaint with the 1-6, I would have liked a uncapped locking turret for elevation, possibly similar to their Adjustment isolation turrets as used on their Long Range Hunter model though they're not that important due to the BDC reticle as you'll not be dialing at lot, they just need to be less fiddly that the ones on the 1-6, though I will concede they had a decent enough feel. Would also be nice if it were powered by AA rather than coin type battery, so basically what I'm asking for is a Trijicon VCOG 1-8x28 with SAI's reticle.
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Where exactly are these made and do they have the same lifetime warranty as tangent from Armament?
I do not recall how it was labeled. I know it is not made in China.
I'll ask them.
ILya
they put these together in Canada. I do not think there is anything from China in there. Where all the pieces come from is proprietary, but it is a few different ones and i do not have issues with any of them.
Ilya
Ilya
At the price point do you think its a decent value? Any idea how armament will warranty these?
It is hard to say for sure until I test one (which I will).
It looked quite good optically. I am very used to their reticles, so they work for me. It is light and compact.
FOV is midpack though.
My best guess is that it should be a good scope for the money, especially where you value compactness.
Armament does warranty support very well, and I am sure SAI10 will be no exception.
I have three SAI6 scopes, but I have not had a need to send them in.
I have sent a Tangent back for service and cleaning a couple of times and it was a quick and uneventful experience.
ILya
This is the first anyone has ever asked for SAI's reticle, lol! I'd much rather something like an FC-DMx. That said, it's 2025. No excuse for letting Primary Optics outshine you in illumination in the 4-figure price space.
Thanks. I sent a tangent back a few weeks ago for an issue and had it back rebuilt in 2 weeks. Armament has amazing customer support but I wasn't sure if these are part of the TT warranty goodness.
I prefer the SAI reticle to the fc-dmx. It's easier to use the SAI on 1x without illumination. I do like the floating dot in the fc-dmx more than the cross hair, but I prefer the rapid aiming feature to the horseshoe, overall, I think the SAI has a better reticle for a LPVO... But I don't use LPVOs for group shooting, which I think the floating dot of the DMX is better at.
The illumination is better on the atacr/nx8, but it is 100% not needed in the SAI (and the SAI illumination is perfectly adequate as is).
Sai put out this teaser, not much info other than “stay tuned”
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I also saw a clip from Shot Show and I’m concerned about it being 2” shorter than the 6. Seems like a needless compromise to the optics.
They also apparently shortened and illuminated the rapid aiming arrows.
Armament Technology Inc. 🇨🇦 on Instagram: "We are proud to introduce our new compact MPVO 1-10x24 the ultimate compact solution for versatility and precision. Stay tuned for pre-orders and launch details! #MPVO #NewOptic #1to10x #TacticalGear #Prec
74 likes, 7 comments - armament_tech on February 14, 2025: "We are proud to introduce our new compact MPVO 1-10x24 the ultimate compact solution for versatility and precision. Stay tuned for pre-orders and launch details! #MPVO #NewOptic #1to10x #TacticalGear #PrecisionShooting #RifleOptics...
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I also saw a clip from Shot Show and I’m concerned about it being 2” shorter than the 6. Seems like a needless compromise to the optics.
They also apparently shortened and illuminated the rapid aiming arrows.
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How do you figure?
Last thing it says:
" All with SAI Optic's exclusinve Rapid Aiming Feature"...which is that horrid "X".
Says they changed the RAF and made the arrows shorter...
Given how clean and forgiving the 1-6 is, I'd have rathered a 2-12 from them personally even with their Mrad reticle minus the RAF
Given how clean and forgiving the 1-6 is, I'd have rathered a 2-12 from them personally even with their Mrad reticle minus the RAF
Now we're talking, but most manufacturers still think gas gun shooters want an LPVO, they haven't caught on to the new trend of piggybacking an RDS and now this crowd is recognizing that for engagements beyond 300 yards it is nice to have a scope that is actually designed for this and not a compromise between both. Don't get me wrong, I think the LPVO's have come a long way from the beginning, but if distant engagements is important I think the MPVO with piggybacked RDS offers a distinct advantage...
I’m willing to give the 1-10 a shot, but I’m not optimistic. 1-10 is hard enough, and they’ve tied a hand behind their back by making it 9” long. I really hope they extended the crosshairs all the way to the edge. I have no fucking clue why so many companies make their 1-8/1-10 reticles with tiny little crosshairs in the center. Looking at you Vortex Razor 1-10 and many others.
A 2-12 with their MRAD (non-rapid aiming) reticle would be nice.
Preaching to the choir, brother....preachin' to the choir. AND I think the day is finally coming! Even those clowns at S&B finally have an offering for it (at least on paper....)
Probably more important than distance....small/obscured/low-contrast tartets.
They/we have made the LPVO into something it's not.
The LPVO exists for when we have no idea what we need, but all practical bases need to be covered AND size/weight/cost is a factor. PERIOD. Vortex Gen 2 1-6, Kahles 1-6, SAI 1-6....ya'll keep it up. Rather than fucking around in the 1-8/1-10 space, we need to make the 1-6's ligher, better, brighter, shorter for my GP stuff and let me get my 20 oz 2-12x, 24oz 3-18 on with an APPROPRIATE tree and some turrets worth a damn.
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I used the 1-6 during a run and gun last weekend, it never fails to impress me. I really, really hope they don't fuck this up.
Ha, well there was the Leupold 6HD Patrol 1-6 that lasted like a year before it was discontinued. That wasn’t particularly short, but it was bright and super light. Of course, in Leupold fashion they put capped turrets on the duplex, but put an exposed elevation turret on the BDC reticle.
This new 1-10 SAI should be available in the Spring
Oh man, I have a class in early May I was hoping to try it out for. I’m guessing it will be a little late for that.
Not necessarily. I’m out on vacation this week but if you give me a call next week at 516-217-1000 I’ll speak to my contact there and see if I can have one in time for you. Thank you.
I suspect many people will be pleasantly surprised with how well the image quality of the tiny SAI 1-10x24 holds up. FOV is not very wide, but aside from that, there should be little complain about (pending production models hitting the market).
As far as the considerations for other models go, keep in mind that the whole MPVO idea is popular on the forums like this one, but traditionally, they do not sell well.
1-10x LPVOs do and good ones do work and do work well if people making them know what they are doing. The people behind SAI do know what they are doing.
Developing new scopes takes time, money and effort. I assure you manufacturers are paying attention and other configurations are in the works for several of them.
ILya
Oh, I understand that. Just saying a 2-12 with their mrad reticle would be a good combo. Actually with or without the rapid aiming feature.
I agree and I like the rapid aiming feature in them. If I were doing a 2-12x or thereabouts scope, I would want their mrad tree with RAF in it.
ILya
Why is that? I would venture to say no one has really done it right, which is why they struggle. Maybe the market wasn’t ready for earlier models, not many saw the advantage of piggybacking RDS and now guys are piggybacking even with LPVO which is why I think the market is right for an MPVO done right.
There is a distinct difference between what sells and what gets a good discussion on the forum. While I think MPVOs have their niche and there is enough demand for it to be worthwhile for some smaller companies, it is unlikely to offer enough volume for larger companies except as a defensive measure.
I think that is worth a proper article. I'll give it a little thought.
ILya
You’re likely right, the smaller companies first, too much risk for the bigger players. It would likely take a military contract for the bigger companies to take notice. The fact that Leupold brought out the 2-10x30 made me think there was some military interest, and now the new CMR-Mil reticle, it’s not perfect but at least it appears Leupold is listening and trying, I am a bit surprised by that.
On a semi side note what is your preferred split ring mount for piggybacking a red dot (12 o’clock). Thinking along the the lines of a 4-16 Atacr on a bolt gun for hunting.
There are a number of good options, my preferred options are the replacement top rings as I believe they are one of the most solid vs a screw in RDS plate - think Reptilia ROF and similar. The screw in type are nice but I am skeptical of their RTZ with lateral impact, ymmv.
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