Suppressors SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.video up

[LibertyArms]

Usually dont make random posts, but was pumped to get it. This is the first one i have had. with a subsonic handload it is rediculusly quite. maybe i wasent expecting it like that, but compared to the class 3 guys 308 cans( a AAC, and Gemtech)was to us anyway, noticably quieter. Usless post i know but was excited

Here is a quick clip, got out to test subsonics with Mckeesport PD guys. sorry its not the best video, but am puped non the less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHzgJp864h8&feature=plcp

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

Congrats on your purchase. SAS are top of the food chain and I am sure you will have many many years of fun with it. Looking forward to hear about the POI shift (if any), accuracy and repeatability. I have several SAS cans and they really perform great!

 

[LibertyArms]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

I plan on running some test this week. i want to get a load for subsonic with it, and POI shifts for both.

Anyone have the 22can from SAS? once you get one, its already addicting

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWG818</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I plan on running some test this week. i want to get a load for subsonic with it, and POI shifts for both.

Anyone have the 22can from SAS? once you get one, its already addicting </div></div>

Try around 10 or so grains of trailboss. I have a 22 rimfire from them and it does very well also. Built very similiar to the arbiter in design only made from aluminum.

 

[MadKap]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

Posts like this make me want to get an actual precision can vs using my sdn-6 for *everything*.

 

[Runamuk]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats on your purchase. SAS are top of the food chain and I am sure you will have many many years of fun with it. Looking forward to hear about the POI shift (if any), accuracy and repeatability. I have several SAS cans and they really perform great!</div></div>

POI shift? What POI shift?

I thought we were talking about Arbiter's?

RWG - Your going to love your SAS, I just recently picked up two and on my custom, POI shifted so little I couldn't adjust for it and was repeatable between both cans. Can't say enough good things about Tim and his product's.

 

[cega]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

damn you all for getting yours..or rather damn the wait for my stamp! Mine went pending 6/22 so I guess it may make for a nice Christmas present.

 

[LibertyArms]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

Ya I know the wait sucks, but worth it. Mine went pending Feb 29 and approved Aug 6. I have very little experience with other cans but am very pleased with this one

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWG818</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya I know the wait sucks, but worth it. Mine went pending Feb 29 and approved Aug 6. I have very little experience with other cans but am very pleased with this one </div></div>

Carefull there!!!! You will soon be a "Fan Boy"!!!! Next thing you know you will want another!

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats on your purchase. SAS are top of the food chain and I am sure you will have many many years of fun with it. Looking forward to hear about the POI shift (if any), accuracy and repeatability. I have several SAS cans and they really perform great!</div></div>

POI shift? What POI shift?

I thought we were talking about Arbiter's?

RWG - Your going to love your SAS, I just recently picked up two and on my custom, POI shifted so little I couldn't adjust for it and was repeatable between both cans. Can't say enough good things about Tim and his product's.

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So what about the accuracy????? WE are talking PRECISION here!! How do both of your Arbiters group??

 

[wgsp]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
POI shift? What POI shift?

I thought we were talking about Arbiter's?


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.6mil up and .4 left since you brought it up like it was a big deal

 

[Runamuk]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wgsp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
POI shift? What POI shift?

I thought we were talking about Arbiter's?


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.6mil up and .4 left since you brought it up like it was a big deal </div></div>

Do you think that was your suppressor or your barrel threading?

 

[Runamuk]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats on your purchase. SAS are top of the food chain and I am sure you will have many many years of fun with it. Looking forward to hear about the POI shift (if any), accuracy and repeatability. I have several SAS cans and they really perform great!</div></div>

POI shift? What POI shift?

I thought we were talking about Arbiter's?

RWG - Your going to love your SAS, I just recently picked up two and on my custom, POI shifted so little I couldn't adjust for it and was repeatable between both cans. Can't say enough good things about Tim and his product's.

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So what about the accuracy????? WE are talking PRECISION here!! How do both of your Arbiters group?? </div></div>

Honestly both rifles shoot better than I can without the cans, after putting the cans on, that's still the case. My groups didn't get bigger or smaller on average but that's only because I'm the limiting factor.

As I mentioned in my previous post, on my custom my zero doesn't change regardless of which can I screw on and the POI shift just didn't happen. On my other rifle an AE, there is a POI shift (.2 low and .2 right) but again this is consistent between the two cans and does not change regardless of which can I'm using on that rifle. I'm guessing here but thinking the barrel threading may be the difference. Either way I'm very pleased with my purchase.

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wgsp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
POI shift? What POI shift?

I thought we were talking about Arbiter's?


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.6mil up and .4 left since you brought it up like it was a big deal </div></div>

I think you missed what he was saying. SAS Arbiters are known to have VERY LITTLE if any POI shift, and if there is any it is usually how the barrel was threaded. Barrel threading plays a huge role in POI shift. No matter how good the can is, it still has to be threaded properly.

 

[wgsp]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wgsp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
POI shift? What POI shift?

I thought we were talking about Arbiter's?


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.6mil up and .4 left since you brought it up like it was a big deal </div></div>

Do you think that was your suppressor or your barrel threading? </div></div>

Suppressor. Barrel was threaded by Mark @ SAC, can't really call that into question. Shift is repeatable, so who cares, but it certainly isn't non-existent.

 

[wgsp]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think you missed what he was saying. SAS Arbiters are known to have VERY LITTLE if any POI shift, and if there is any it is usually how the barrel was threaded. Barrel threading plays a huge role in POI shift. No matter how good the can is, it still has to be threaded properly. </div></div>

Nope, I got his point. I've had an Arbiter for 2 years, and this is the first I've ever heard any claim about how minimum the POI shift is.

 

[LibertyArms]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

video is up. im happy

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wgsp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think you missed what he was saying. SAS Arbiters are known to have VERY LITTLE if any POI shift, and if there is any it is usually how the barrel was threaded. Barrel threading plays a huge role in POI shift. No matter how good the can is, it still has to be threaded properly. </div></div>

Nope, I got his point. I've had an Arbiter for 2 years, and this is the first I've ever heard any claim about how minimum the POI shift is. </div></div>

My 284 built by SAC wears the Ti Arbiter, thread on. There is a noticeable shift in it as well. The biggest difference I have seen is change of impact at distance. I test a 243 yesterday with a Surefire 762SS. I fired a 5 round string at 800 yards then when it was dead on, put the suppressor on. Its repeatedly send me .3 low. That is consistent and easy to adjust for. The Arbiter well above that.

 

[BERTMAN77MK2]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

I am sure it is not always possible, but I have learned from previous postings that it is preferable to have the can and barrel threaded at same time and there will be no POI shift if the same smith does both

 

[LibertyArms]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

POI shift is repeatable. I tested it about 10 times can off/on bettween groups. Same spot everytime. It was shooting 1moa high. orizontal never moved.

Now the subsonics where different. ? This is the first one i have had so that may be the case. But the subs poi from can off/on where all over the board. from 1-1.5 left, up, and down. I may need to work up a different load for them, but dont plan on shooting many anyway. Its just really cool sounding lol

 

[wfjames22]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BERTMAN77MK2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sure it is not always possible, but I have learned from previous postings that it is preferable to have the can and barrel threaded at same time and there will be no POI shift if the same smith does both </div></div>

How many cans have you had threaded by a gunsmith?

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BERTMAN77MK2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sure it is not always possible, but I have learned from previous postings that it is preferable to have the can and barrel threaded at same time and there will be no POI shift if the same smith does both </div></div>

You don't thread your can. The manufacturer does that...

 

[OKbow87]

Re: SAS Ti Arbiter - picked up today.

I think what he is getting at is that when the smith has the can in hand at the time of threading he can make the threads as tight of tolerance as possible. He can also time the threading so the high spot of the can run out is indicated top dead center like your barrel. Which should make poi changes minimal and consistent.