Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

[BKScripto]

I finally got out to the range a couple days ago and broke-in my new Savage 308. I really like the HS Precision stock, its very sturdy and solid, the grip area fills the hand nicely.

I didn't have any good sandbags with me, I had to use my old shooting bags which I'm not fond of. I was also on a concrete bench and my elbows are paying for it

. I'm certain my groups will shrink once I get a better rest and shoot prone.

I shot 3-shot groups because ammo was limited. I'll post some scans of the groups from 100 and 200 yards. I also broke-in my AR-15 that I built, I'll post up some scans of the groups as well. I know it's not a "bolt gun", but think of it as a bonus

 

[haldir]

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Whats the barrel length on the Savage?

 

[callen3615]

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Nice rifles, that ar15 is a shooter!

 

[camocorvette]

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Very nice rifle!

I think after all the great reviews if heard on savages, i am going to get one.

I looks like a great shooter and im sure your groups will shrink once you have a more comfortable shooting position

 

[TeufelHund]

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I have had several Savage 10FP rifles. I recently got another one exactly like this. I am in the process of selecting glass, mounts and rings.

These rifles are very accurate box stock. They really perform well once you "dial in" a load for them. For the price v. performance they are tough to beat IMHO. I really enjoy them.

Good shooting BTW! and nice sticks!

 

[Wrighty]

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I have the exact same rifle and love it! the aluminum bedding block in that particular model is a nice feature too, gives it the potential to be the most accurate 10fcp out of the box. amazing stick for the money and no need to spend more until one does enough shooting for it to actually make a difference IMO.

haldir: the barrel length is 24"

 

[BKScripto]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: haldir</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats the barrel length on the Savage? </div></div>

It has a 24" free floating bull barrel.

 

[BKScripto]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wrighty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the exact same rifle and love it! the aluminum bedding block in that particular model is a nice feature too, gives it the potential to be the most accurate 10fcp out of the box. amazing stick for the money and no need to spend more until one does enough shooting for it to actually make a difference IMO.</div></div>

I really liked the 10FCP McMillan, but I went with the HS Precision because it has the bedding block. The HS Precision stock is actually much nicer than I anticipated. I'm very impressed with the rifle overall, I can't wait to get out and shrink those groups down. I know the rifle is capable, now I just gotta do my part

 

[HD1911]

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Have any of you played with the Action Screw Torque? Savage says they are put at 25 in/lbs but then a gunsmith i was asking said it should be around 55-65 in/lbs. Also, is there a particular factory load that these Savages shoot best? I have a brand new 10 FCP HS Precision also and am in the process of acquiring the necessary hardware and optics.

thanks

 

[TeufelHund]

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Since its got the metal bedding block the higher torque is what I use. I could be wrong but it works for me.

Loads are sort of subjective and rifle dependant. Mine might like a different load than yours. The Fed Gold Medal Match 168gr BTHP seems to be the best place to start.

 

[HD1911]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeufelHund</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since its got the metal bedding block the higher torque is what I use. I could be wrong but it works for me.

Loads are sort of subjective and rifle dependant. Mine might like a different load than yours. The Fed Gold Medal Match 168gr BTHP seems to be the best place to start. </div></div>

alright thanks alot.

 

[BKScripto]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have any of you played with the Action Screw Torque? Savage says they are put at 25 in/lbs but then a gunsmith i was asking said it should be around 55-65 in/lbs. Also, is there a particular factory load that these Savages shoot best? I have a brand new 10 FCP HS Precision also and am in the process of acquiring the necessary hardware and optics.</div></div>

I have not messed with the screw but I have heard about this. There was a video I was watching that had an actual Savage rep talking about adjusting the screw and improving accuracy.

What are you guys using to torque the screws? I thought about buying the Wheeler torque wrench/screwdriver from Midway but haven't heard anything about them.

 

[jdgray]

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With my 10FP,1"-.7" is all I could get out of GMM ammo. Mine tightened up to .5" with handloads, as every rifle is different. Great shooting rifles you got there!

 

[Big Bo]

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I too have a 10FP in .308 with an SS10x. It rests in a B&C Medalist stock. Love that rifle. A shooter too. When I do my part it will hold 1/2" groups.

 

[sparks1]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BKScripto</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have any of you played with the Action Screw Torque? Savage says they are put at 25 in/lbs but then a gunsmith i was asking said it should be around 55-65 in/lbs. Also, is there a particular factory load that these Savages shoot best? I have a brand new 10 FCP HS Precision also and am in the process of acquiring the necessary hardware and optics.</div></div>

I have not messed with the screw but I have heard about this. There was a video I was watching that had an actual Savage rep talking about adjusting the screw and improving accuracy.

What are you guys using to torque the screws? I thought about buying the Wheeler torque wrench/screwdriver from Midway but haven't heard anything about them. </div></div>

The Wheeler torque wrench/screwdriver is a good bet for the money. Do a search on this topic and see for yourself. Some swear by them, some swear at them. There are better ones out there...cost could be an issue tho'.

 

[TeufelHund]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

I went to harbor freight and got an inch lb. torque wrench for about $30. Works just fine. The Seekins is probably the one I see the most in all the books and articles.

 

[BKScripto]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeufelHund</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went to harbor freight and got an inch lb. torque wrench for about $30. Works just fine. The Seekins is probably the one I see the most in all the books and articles. </div></div>

Yeah, I was thinking I'd just pick one up at Sears or something. I'll think I'll stick with that thought.

 

[harv5117]

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I also have a Savage 10FCP with H&S stock. My best load is with 168 SMK 42grs RL15, Fed 210M primer OAL 2.805 it shoots .40 groups at 100yds. As far as the Action screws every gun is different. You just need to play with different torque settings.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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BKS, what bag/cheekrest is that on your Savage? I need one of those for mine.

 

[BKScripto]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BKS, what bag/cheekrest is that on your Savage? I need one of those for mine. </div></div>

It's made by Allen, super cheap at like $12. <span style="color: #FF0000">LINK</span>

The cheek pad has some sort of suede feeling to it, very pleasant to lay your face on

I was planning on buying a better cheek rest later on but after using this one, I think I'll keep it.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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thanks

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harv5117</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also have a Savage 10FCP with H&S stock. My best load is with 168 SMK 42grs RL15, Fed 210M primer OAL 2.805 it shoots .40 groups at 100yds. As far as the Action screws every gun is different. You just need to play with different torque settings. </div></div>


start at 40 and sneak up on it. im trying to find the link, but i read a guy had better luck at 45 ft lbs than at 60-65

 

[stefan73]

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Any other tricks that you guys recommend with/for the 10FCP HS?

 

[BKScripto]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harv5117</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also have a Savage 10FCP with H&S stock. My best load is with 168 SMK 42grs RL15, Fed 210M primer OAL 2.805 it shoots .40 groups at 100yds. As far as the Action screws every gun is different. You just need to play with different torque settings. </div></div>


start at 40 and sneak up on it. im trying to find the link, but i read a guy had better luck at 45 ft lbs than at 60-65 </div></div>

AXEMAN, what magazine is that in your sig? (I'm talking about the rifle, of course)

 

[Dirty D]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is there a particular factory load that these Savages shoot best?</div></div>

Mine really liked Remmy 168gr match... Go figure

 

[HD1911]

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^^^thanks...im just buying several different 20 round boxes of match loads. will see what happens when i finally buy a scope

 

[BKScripto]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^thanks...im just buying several different 20 round boxes of match loads. will see what happens when i finally buy a scope

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Pick up a box of Black Hills Match, Federal Gold Medal Match, and Hornady Match ammo. Try to get a box of each in 168gr and 175gr. Those three loads would be your best bet, IMO.

 

[AXEMAN]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BKScripto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AXEMAN, what magazine is that in your sig? (I'm talking about the rifle, of course)

</div></div>

its a sharp shooter supply 9 round mag for a factory savage mag system. pretty slick.

 

[HD1911]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BKScripto</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^thanks...im just buying several different 20 round boxes of match loads. will see what happens when i finally buy a scope

</div></div>

Pick up a box of Black Hills Match, Federal Gold Medal Match, and Hornady Match ammo. Try to get a box of each in 168gr and 175gr. Those three loads would be your best bet, IMO. </div></div>

roger...should i also try any flavor of AMAX's or Nosler Accubonds, for barrier penetration and glass busting rounds?

 

[BKScripto]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BKScripto</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^thanks...im just buying several different 20 round boxes of match loads. will see what happens when i finally buy a scope

</div></div>

Pick up a box of Black Hills Match, Federal Gold Medal Match, and Hornady Match ammo. Try to get a box of each in 168gr and 175gr. Those three loads would be your best bet, IMO. </div></div>

roger...should i also try any flavor of AMAX's or Nosler Accubonds, for barrier penetration and glass busting rounds? </div></div>

From what I know, Accubonds are good for larger game (like Elk or Moose) but they aren't exactly a barrier penetrator. And I believe the Hornday AMAX is primarily a match bullet, so I wouldn't really use it for any kind of hunting or for penetration use. If I was forced to use the AMAX in a hunting situation, I would only use it on light game such as whitetail deer. There are plenty of better choices out there to take game down quicker and also more humanely, not to mention penetrating a barrier.

If I'm wrong on this, someone chime in.

All 3 ammo choices I mentioned before each use a match grade bullet. Federal Match uses the Sierra MatchKing projectile, which is one of the best, IMO. Black Hills has a couple different options, the AMAX is one and the other is their own match grade BTHP (not sure if its a Sierra, its not listed as such). I believe Hornady uses BTHP in most of their match ammo, but the new "Superformance" ammo may use their AMAX bullet.

 

[HD1911]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BKScripto</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BKScripto</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^thanks...im just buying several different 20 round boxes of match loads. will see what happens when i finally buy a scope

</div></div>

Pick up a box of Black Hills Match, Federal Gold Medal Match, and Hornady Match ammo. Try to get a box of each in 168gr and 175gr. Those three loads would be your best bet, IMO. </div></div>

roger...should i also try any flavor of AMAX's or Nosler Accubonds, for barrier penetration and glass busting rounds? </div></div>

From what I know, Accubonds are good for larger game (like Elk or Moose) but they aren't exactly a barrier penetrator. And I believe the Hornday AMAX is primarily a match bullet, so I wouldn't really use it for any kind of hunting or for penetration use. If I was forced to use the AMAX in a hunting situation, I would only use it on light game such as whitetail deer. There are plenty of better choices out there to take game down quicker and also more humanely, not to mention penetrating a barrier.

If I'm wrong on this, someone chime in.

All 3 ammo choices I mentioned before each use a match grade bullet. Federal Match uses the Sierra MatchKing projectile, which is one of the best, IMO. Black Hills has a couple different options, the AMAX is one and the other is their own match grade BTHP (not sure if its a Sierra, its not listed as such). I believe Hornady uses BTHP in most of their match ammo, but the new "Superformance" ammo may use their AMAX bullet.
</div></div>

When I said AMAX, I should have clarified. I bought a box of 168 gr AMAX TAP with the red ballistic tip from a member off of here. I coulda swore i read somewhere on here or from DOCGKR or someone that certain Accubonds and AMAXs (ballistic tipped) were supposedly good glass busting and barrier pen. rounds.

I also have a box of the new 178 gr Superformance and its an open tip match like the Sierras (is noticeably longer OAL than prvi and federal 168s)

Thanks, just trying to figure out a solution to whats gonna be my main cartridge and my glass busting/barrier pen. rounds.

*and daggone ammo availibity seems soo spotty on these 308 loads, starting to get annoying lol

 

[fdkay]

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Bonded bullets are used when deep penetration is required.
As stated, for large game like elk, moose, bears etc...
They are not normally as accurate as other quality hunting bullets.
Bonded bullets are also used in loads for barrier penetration.

If you are looking for loads that are available that are not "match", look to anything loaded with the sierra gameking bullets or the speer soft point boattail bullets in the 150 to 165 grain range.

As far as penetrating typical barriers encountered, the 155 grain AMAX does pretty well.
It really depends on how far the target is from the glass, it is tough to beat the old standby 168 grain OTM in an urban situation, however. The .308 has enough mass and energy with most bullets to perform very well in regards to barrier blind loads, but over penetration can be an issue.

 

[HD1911]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bonded bullets are used when deep penetration is required.
As stated, for large game like elk, moose, bears etc...
They are not normally as accurate as other quality hunting bullets.
Bonded bullets are also used in loads for barrier penetration.

If you are looking for loads that are available that are not "match", look to anything loaded with the sierra gameking bullets or the speer soft point boattail bullets in the 150 to 165 grain range.

As far as penetrating typical barriers encountered, the 155 grain AMAX does pretty well.
It really depends on how far the target is from the glass, it is tough to beat the old standby 168 grain OTM in an urban situation, however. The .308 has enough mass and energy with most bullets to perform very well in regards to barrier blind loads, but over penetration can be an issue. </div></div>

thanks for the info.

 

[bodywerks]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^thanks...im just buying several different 20 round boxes of match loads. will see what happens when i finally buy a scope

</div></div>
I had good luck with Hornady 168gr BTHP match ammo up to 500 yards, and 1/2MOA at 100 yards. However, at 500 yards and beyond, Buffalo Bore 175gr SMK match was awesome! Killed a couple clays with it at 510 meters and put a 3"(.6MOA) four round group on a gong at 500 meters with my bone-stock FCP-K off a bipod and my body - no sandbags or rests.

 

[HD1911]

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been shooting my 10 FCP and loving it...until this weekend

Barrel was getting soo hot on saturday, shooting 800 yds out in the country at steel. My shots were going roughly .5 to .8 Mils HIGH!

Then happened again to me on Sunday at a local Tactical Rifle Match.

Will have a new barrel on order soon.

 

[Ohioan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">been shooting my 10 FCP and loving it...until this weekend

Barrel was getting soo hot on saturday, shooting 800 yds out in the country at steel. My shots were going roughly .5 to .8 Mils HIGH!

Then happened again to me on Sunday at a local Tactical Rifle Match.

Will have a new barrel on order soon. </div></div>

What is your round count?

 

[HD1911]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ohioan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">been shooting my 10 FCP and loving it...until this weekend

Barrel was getting soo hot on saturday, shooting 800 yds out in the country at steel. My shots were going roughly .5 to .8 Mils HIGH!

Then happened again to me on Sunday at a local Tactical Rifle Match.

Will have a new barrel on order soon. </div></div>

What is your round count? </div></div>

Approximately 500 total rounds. Gun had prolly no more than 100 rounds since last cleaning. Accuracy was there for sure when I was punching paper within 400 yards.

However, when the barrel was under the hot 95 degree sun and ammo was sitting there too...and was shooting probably 20 rnds at a time at about 20 sec intervals...It hated it! Shot way higher than my ballistic card called for.

 

[stefan73]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

How long had the ammunition been in that temp. prior to the rounds shooting high?

How many rounds in a single string until it started shooting high?

Combination of barrel and ammunition temps?

 

[HD1911]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How long had the ammunition been in that temp. prior to the rounds shooting high?

How many rounds in a single string until it started shooting high?

Combination of barrel and ammunition temps? </div></div>

We got out there and setup on the ground at about 9am...this took place around 11am. The heat index for the day was 108 degrees, with the hot ass Sun shining straight down.

The rifle just sat there in the heat and baked, and so did the FGMM 168.

But no one elses rifle was really shooting like that. Local rifle builder and a guy on here both think that it may be an imperfection in the barrel, and when it heats up, combined with the high ambient temps, the factory ammo heating up (RL15 powder/temp sens.) and multiple shots...its pitching them high.

I dunno. But, its holding me back. My rifle is right now the weakest link in the chain, not me.

 

[stefan73]

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Sorry to hear that.

 

[HD1911]

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^^^just a pain in the ass really...gotta now buy a new barrel and its not in the budget lol.

Was trying to focus on just buying ammo and working on the fundamentals and now this gets in the way.

 

[BigDKC]

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HD1911, sorry if I missed it but what scope are you using?

And did you verify it's measurements? I don't ask to be a smart ass at all, but there has been quite a bit of talk in the optics forums lately with regards to scope testing and performance. Amazingly there seems to be quite a range of manufacturer standards as far as what is in spec or isn't!

Perhaps it's not your barrel, but maybe your scope? From what I am taking from those discussions, it's a possibly that a very tiny amount of discrepancy between advertised click adjustment and actual adjustment amount would start to become more and more apparent the further you shoot.

Then again, I might be completely wrong! Just been following with heavy interest in the PST scopes and their quality and methods to verify them as I wait for mine to show up.

 

[HD1911]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigDKC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HD1911, sorry if I missed it but what scope are you using?

And did you verify it's measurements? I don't ask to be a smart ass at all, but there has been quite a bit of talk in the optics forums lately with regards to scope testing and performance. Amazingly there seems to be quite a range of manufacturer standards as far as what is in spec or isn't!

Perhaps it's not your barrel, but maybe your scope? From what I am taking from those discussions, it's a possibly that a very tiny amount of discrepancy between advertised click adjustment and actual adjustment amount would start to become more and more apparent the further you shoot.

Then again, I might be completely wrong! Just been following with heavy interest in the PST scopes and their quality and methods to verify them as I wait for mine to show up. </div></div>

Super Sniper 3-9 FFP Mil/Mil...and No, I have not verified its adjustments. You may be onto something. And I will say that, this was the first time I have ever shot that far (out to 800yds)

Normally I just shoot to 375 yds (local range)

But my ballistics card via JBM using the 168 Sierra MatchKing G7 Litz data, seems like it was spot on out to 375 on paper...and hits on steel to 500 weren't a problem either. But when the barrel got hotter and hotter, my dope was like .7 Mils below what the Card said for 800 yards. And at 550 yards, it was shooting .2 to .3 mils high, causing me to miss my steel plates completely

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Savage 10FCP HS Precision Range Report

try jim at northland. he has match barrels in stock that are drop in. shillen and mcgowen. i think he picked up another brand too. also a guy just posted that walther-lothar has savage drop ins ready also.

http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php?board=64.0