Savage 110HS Precision or 5R Remington?

[seedman]

I am going elk hunting this fall and have decided to go with a 300 Win Mag ( I could be talked into a 7 MM Mag.) and I have narrowed my gun purchase choice to either a Savage 110 HS Precision (24" barrel) or the Remington 5R (24" threaded or 26") in 300 win mag. I have been a Savage fan and like the accu-trigger and accuracy for the cost value in a Savage but I like the stainless option of the 5R Remington. I have a 4-16 Vortex PST to mount on the gun. I know both are a little on the heavy side but after the hunt I want to use the gun for long range steel shooting. In the end accuracy is my number one criteria and I do not plan immediately to do anything to either rifle except bedding and working up loads. I don't have a lot of time. Which would you pick? If you pick 5R would you pick a 24" with threaded muzzle or the 26" unthreaded barrel?

Thanks for your input!

 

[kilos]

Remington Serdero sf ll 7mm mag.

 

[supercorndogs]

i would go with the 26" 5r 300 wm. i have a 700p 300wm it is a tack driver. an elk is a big heavy boned animal. i load in a manner to make my brass last not so that i can brag about how fast my ammo will shoot a 210 hunting vld going 2700 fps is a conservative load that will crush anything in north america and stay supersonic to 1500 yards at my elevation.

if you want to shoot it a lot you might think of a 308 though. 308 ammo is a lot easier on the pocket book. even hand loading my 300wm eats a pound or more of powder every 100 rounds. a 308 with good bullets is enough for elk. the best gun for elk is the powerful gun you can shoot accurately.

 

[HOGTOOTH5R]

If you want to stay with just one Caliber than go with the 5R if you want to swap barrels in the near future and don't want to go to a gunsmith and wait 3 Months then go with a Savage. Accuracy and Aftermarket wise I'd say they are a wash now days.

 

[cottonant]

Remington Serdero sf ll 7mm mag.

A friend and I bought 2 brand new Remington 700 Sendero SFII 7 Mags a few months back. Neither were worth owning. His had extractor problems right out of the box and it would not shoot well, even after glass bedding and a Timney trigger installation.

Right out of the box mine scratched the bullets really bad when using the magazine and although I fixed that myself with some light sand paper, a gun advertised to be made so well that according to Remington we will “be stunned by the degree of precision you get straight out of the box,” should not carve grooves into your ammo.

Mine also had a chipped crown right out of the box so I sent it to the smith and had it re-crowned, glass bedded and a Tinmey trigger installed. This was the craziest gun. 160 Nosler Accubonds, factory Federal Premium or hand loads centered at 100 would not group. Then Hornady 162 SST’s would be 8+ inches higher than the Noslers, and would not group. Then 168 VLD’s would be, get this, 22 to 25 inches to the left of the Hornady’s and the same 22 to 25 inches to the left with about 8 inches higher than the Noslers. Out of about 75 three shot groups only a couple were below an inch, most were above two, and many were 4 plus inches.

Since going through this I have talked to a good many shooters, and a few gun shops. Almost all say Remington just isn’t the company it used to be.

Both my and my friend’s bought this year brand new Remington 700 Sendero SFII 7 Mags are at a precision gun builder’s now having the actions trued and new Krieger barrels installed. I told them to cut my old Remington barrel in half so I can send it back with my complaint letter I plan to send Remington, which was requested by the gun shop that sold it to me. They said they have had to send a good many of these back and had we not glass bedded ours they would have done the same for us. I’m having the barrel cut in half to insure it does not end up on some other poor souls gun.

 

[Pointman308]

P.S. buy the Savage as it will shoot!

 

[kilos]

A friend and I bought 2 brand new Remington 700 Sendero SFII 7 Mags a few months back. Neither were worth owning. His had extractor problems right out of the box and it would not shoot well, even after glass bedding and a Timney trigger installation.

Right out of the box mine scratched the bullets really bad when using the magazine and although I fixed that myself with some light sand paper, a gun advertised to be made so well that according to Remington we will “be stunned by the degree of precision you get straight out of the box,” should not carve grooves into your ammo.

Mine also had a chipped crown right out of the box so I sent it to the smith and had it re-crowned, glass bedded and a Tinmey trigger installed. This was the craziest gun. 160 Nosler Accubonds, factory Federal Premium or hand loads centered at 100 would not group. Then Hornady 162 SST’s would be 8+ inches higher than the Noslers, and would not group. Then 168 VLD’s would be, get this, 22 to 25 inches to the left of the Hornady’s and the same 22 to 25 inches to the left with about 8 inches higher than the Noslers. Out of about 75 three shot groups only a couple were below an inch, most were above two, and many were 4 plus inches.

Since going through this I have talked to a good many shooters, and a few gun shops. Almost all say Remington just isn’t the company it used to be.

Both my and my friend’s bought this year brand new Remington 700 Sendero SFII 7 Mags are at a precision gun builder’s now having the actions trued and new Krieger barrels installed. I told them to cut my old Remington barrel in half so I can send it back with my complaint letter I plan to send Remington, which was requested by the gun shop that sold it to me. They said they have had to send a good many of these back and had we not glass bedded ours they would have done the same for us. I’m having the barrel cut in half to insure it does not end up on some other poor souls gun.

Wow thanks for the information its been a long time since i had a Rem.700
Ok how's this savage M12 6.5 Creedmoor LRP

 

[CharlieNC]

My old Tika 300WM has been great. Smooth bolt operation, crisp trigger, dBm tough to beat for cost. But the elk don't like to see it.

 

[Rhyno]

A friend and I bought 2 brand new Remington 700 Sendero SFII 7 Mags a few months back. Neither were worth owning. His had extractor problems right out of the box and it would not shoot well, even after glass bedding and a Timney trigger installation.

Right out of the box mine scratched the bullets really bad when using the magazine and although I fixed that myself with some light sand paper, a gun advertised to be made so well that according to Remington we will “be stunned by the degree of precision you get straight out of the box,” should not carve grooves into your ammo.

Mine also had a chipped crown right out of the box so I sent it to the smith and had it re-crowned, glass bedded and a Tinmey trigger installed. This was the craziest gun. 160 Nosler Accubonds, factory Federal Premium or hand loads centered at 100 would not group. Then Hornady 162 SST’s would be 8+ inches higher than the Noslers, and would not group. Then 168 VLD’s would be, get this, 22 to 25 inches to the left of the Hornady’s and the same 22 to 25 inches to the left with about 8 inches higher than the Noslers. Out of about 75 three shot groups only a couple were below an inch, most were above two, and many were 4 plus inches.

Since going through this I have talked to a good many shooters, and a few gun shops. Almost all say Remington just isn’t the company it used to be.

Both my and my friend’s bought this year brand new Remington 700 Sendero SFII 7 Mags are at a precision gun builder’s now having the actions trued and new Krieger barrels installed. I told them to cut my old Remington barrel in half so I can send it back with my complaint letter I plan to send Remington, which was requested by the gun shop that sold it to me. They said they have had to send a good many of these back and had we not glass bedded ours they would have done the same for us. I’m having the barrel cut in half to insure it does not end up on some other poor souls gun.

No offense but I bought a factory savage and the gun blew up with factory ammo, my mother's 243 is so short throated you can use deer hunting rounds, my buddy bought a new 338 ba 110 that wouldn't group less then 2 moa, heck there is a thread going on right now somewhere on the hide where at least 2 people have savages doing funky things.

This can be said about many factory mass produced rifles.

 

[MoBoost]

Either way you go - I would put Japanese, German or US made glass on it ...

With Savage you can have both 300WM and 7mmRM with a barrel switch .... and 6.5 SAUM .... and 223 if you wanted cheap practice.

 

[Rhyno]

To the OP, if you like Savage buy Savage. If you trust Savage buy Savage. You own Savages already stick with what you know, personally I've never been a fan of Stainless Steel barrels, I've seen more rusted Stainless Steel barrels then Chrome Moly barrels, just because it's stainless steel doesn't mean you don't have to clean and lube it.

I would look at things like stock, and trigger, both come with HS Precision stovks, so choose it based on trigger.

IMO they both suck. Remington just had another recall on their triggers.

One thing I will say, when I owned my savage (before it blew up) it was hit or miss shooting it with gloves because of that stupid blade. Might take that into consideration.

Personally a trigger swap would be #1 on my to do list with either rifle.

 

[gewehr]

I have had both, the savage gave me several issues that eventually became more of a hassle than it was worth


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[ARsR4ME]

Im getting right at .60" 5shot grouping with my 308 5R. Now this is with my own handloads. Its not a super dupper one hole wonder gun but she does what i need it to do. I do like the ease of changeing barrels in a savage though.

 

[RealRomulus]

I have one of the first 250 5R win mags and it shoots so damn well across so many bullet types it is unreal. I also have savage rifles. You're going to get the same level of quality but rebarreling the savage will be a breeze and cheaper than working on the remington - even the cosmetics and such like bolt handles. Both are good values. For a hunting rifle I'd choose the handier as most lost shots are in matters of seconds. Training with even moderate levels of equipment makes up for the diminishing returns of increasing prices and craftsmanship.

 

[cottonant]

No offense but I bought a factory savage and the gun blew up with factory ammo, my mother's 243 is so short throated you can use deer hunting rounds, my buddy bought a new 338 ba 110 that wouldn't group less then 2 moa, heck there is a thread going on right now somewhere on the hide where at least 2 people have savages doing funky things.

This can be said about many factory mass produced rifles.

I agree. While I have never owned a Savage my brother in law had the same short throat issue in a 260 Savage LRP and had to get a smith to fix it.

Earlier this year before we bought them I had kept telling my buddy the Rem 700 Sendero SFII was a lot of gun for the $1,200 or so and he agreed. My argument was if they won't shoot we can always rebarrel them. Hoping for the best i. e. being "stunned by the degree of precision you get straight out of the box," I failed to consider the crown problem, extractor problem, magazine carving grooves into the brass problem, and the trigger recall problem, which led to another trip to the smith for the Tinmey trigger installation after I had the smith fix the crown and bed the action (didn't make that clear in my other post).

Although in my opinion they are not much to look at, in hindsight, and in the future I will probably buy the Savage when buying factory. I have a friend with a house full of kids and he's getting some incredible groups from his Savage 308's and 6.5 Creeds. And like another poster pointed out, it won't be near as expensive to rebarrel a Savage verses the Remington 700.

 

[Rhyno]

You can throw a barrel on a Remington just as easy now a days as you can a savage, so that's really not a good argument.

 

[MoBoost]

You can throw a barrel on a Remington just as easy now a days as you can a savage, so that's really not a good argument.

With Savage you can change the bolt head - you can go from 300WM to 223Rem ... Remington not so easy, even with Remage option.

 

[6brshooter]

Rhyno, the rem action definitely needs trued up for a remage. A savage never needs a gunsmith

 

[Rhyno]

With Savage you can change the bolt head - you can go from 300WM to 223Rem ... Remington not so easy, even with Remage option.

Why the hell would anyone do that? Beside you said rebarrel not rechamber.

Rhyno, the rem action definitely needs trued up for a remage. A savage never needs a gunsmith

This is not true.

 

[6brshooter]

Which part rhyno? Savage with a floating bolthead and barrel nut does just fine with little to no truing. Most rem are 3-5 thou crooked in all regards. There is no floating bolthead to self align, share the lug force equal. How many remingtons have very little to no wear on one lug and 80% or more wear on the other lug? All of mine showed this, the best one had maybe 50% on one side and 90+% on the other. If u talk to Scott mcree, Jim Briggs, or criterion about their remage barrels they all will tell u that truing a 700 prior to remage is going to be probably needed. Sure rem probably lets 1 or2 out of 1000 actions leave the factory that happen to be really square and true but that is an accident,lol. I'm not dogging on rem, savage has their issues like tight chambers and short throats. I got 3 custom savages,2 custom rems, a remage(trued cause it was factory fubar), 2 custom tikka, an AI AE, and a fn a3g. I'm pretty diversified, my remagea savage, and AI shoot the best. Or are my favorite because they shoot so good,so easy. My savages will all shoot excellent,they should with match barrels and aics chassis, bonus is I put them together in 30 minutes at my shop bench.

 

[Rhyno]

Well you went from "definitely needs trued up" to probably without so much as an argument from me. Had you said probably from the beginning I wouldn't have had an issue. People have done remage conversions without smithing and it was fine.

Now on to Savage, frankly I'm skeptical of the bolt head and always have been.

Is it more important to be square to the chamber, or square to the locking lugs?

The floating bolt head is only square to the locking lugs, (in theory, even in theory though there are flaws, as there is only a certain amount of movement in the bolt face. And depending on how they cut the lugs, even the floating bolt face wouldn't be able to counter it.) Let's say in theory the barrel is true to the threads and the chamber is cut square as well, but the locking were not cut square due to not being placed in the jig correctly and there is a 10* slant that is the left lug at its highest point is 10* taller then the right lug, the floating bolt head does its job of squaring up to the locking lugs, now the face of the bolt head is forced to be at a 10* slant as by design.

Mate this up to a square barrel, and that 10* slant is still there.


How is this any different from a Remington doing the exact same thing? It isnt.

 

[6brshooter]

Sure in the light u painted a floating bolthead is not any better then remington. Of course that scenario had one side way off and lug way off and boltface way off. As far as going from definetly to probably needed, yepguilty. U don't have to do anything, but u would be better off to have it trued up, fact. Reckon SAC or Gap would build u a rifle on a 700 action if u told them it's never been trued and don't true it. I imagine they would talk u out of that line of thinking or turndown the project. How is it a good thing for a smith to true up an action for a full build but on a remage it's not required or needed? The only mass produced non savage action that i've saw that was almost perfect was my pair of tikkas. My savage target actions, all i use anymore are pretty square from the get go. I admit i could have been lucky but i do know savage has gone to all cnc for what that's worth. Back to op, i've had both rifles u asked about except in 308. The hs on the savage was better feeling to me, the savage shot in the .4s and my 5r shot about 1.4".