Savage Axis after some modifications.

[dmpowder]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

I was going to be done with this thread even after seen those cute targets you posted BUT then I seen your last post and just couldn't hold back no more! You may be seeing what we have been trying to tell you the whole dam time!



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks. Its a good shooting rifle, but I have a 700 AAC that I can shoot just as well for 1/4 of the cost.</div></div>

Wait...... are you confessing that a factory rifle can shoot as good as a GAP?????

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Man, I completely get it. But honestly, how much are you going to have in this rig with a barrel and trigger? Most triggers are $100 or so and most barrels that are an improvement are going to be at least $300...those two alone would get you an ADL Varmint at Dick's right now. Usually if a guy can't afford a $400-500 rifle, he'll never afford to shoot it enough to attain a greaet skill-set. I'd also recommend saving for some training, either online or in person.</div></div>

Axis $300
Barrel $300
Trigger $100
Total $500

Factory $400-500
Barrel $300
Trigger $100
Total $800-900

Not even counting the cost to have the barrel put on! So how exactly is he saving money?? Plus he already has a stock that fits him. So add the cost of a stock for the ADL and yep I sure can see the savings! For a student I would think you would know basic math!

Training???? Ok, now I see where you get your experience??




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Enjoy your rifle, and congrats for using ingenuity.</div></div>

What your very first post should have been!!!!!!

<span style="font-weight: bold">And now I will be done with this thread no matter if you respond or not. Really looking forward to seeing your target posted in the shootout tylerw02!</span>

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmpowder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was going to be done with this thread even after seen those cute targets you posted BUT then I seen your last post and just couldn't hold back no more! You may be seeing what we have been trying to tell you the whole dam time!



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks. Its a good shooting rifle, but I have a 700 AAC that I can shoot just as well for 1/4 of the cost.</div></div>

Wait...... are you confessing that a factory rifle can shoot as good as a GAP?????

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Man, I completely get it. But honestly, how much are you going to have in this rig with a barrel and trigger? Most triggers are $100 or so and most barrels that are an improvement are going to be at least $300...those two alone would get you an ADL Varmint at Dick's right now. Usually if a guy can't afford a $400-500 rifle, he'll never afford to shoot it enough to attain a greaet skill-set. I'd also recommend saving for some training, either online or in person.</div></div>

Axis $300
Barrel $300
Trigger $100
Total $500

Factory $400-500
Barrel $300
Trigger $100
Total $800-900

Not even counting the cost to have the barrel put on! So how exactly is he saving money?? Plus he already has a stock that fits him. So add the cost of a stock for the ADL and yep I sure can see the savings! For a student I would think you would know basic math!

Training???? Ok, now I see where you get your experience??




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Enjoy your rifle, and congrats for using ingenuity.</div></div>

What your very first post should have been!!!!!!

<span style="font-weight: bold">And now I will be done with this thread no matter if you respond or not. Really looking forward to seeing your target posted in the shootout tylerw02!</span> </div></div>



Nice to see your reading comprehension is no better than your math skills.


$300 for an Axis, $300 for a barrel, $100 for a barrel, +$100 in tools is not $500.

Congratulations. You fail again.

Meanwhile of he buys a 700 or 10 he doesn't need a barrel or trigger. So total cost is whatever e decide to pay for the factory rig. As I pointed out above, he can get an ADL varmint for less than $400 right now. If he buys a stock he will still have less than the cash an Axis, barrel, and trigger will cost. And who's to say he can't do the same thing to thr Remington or Savage 10 stock?

My "cute" little target is straight out of the first 40 rounds through my barrel...three ten round groups and one seven. That is much more difficult than tr "shoot out".

Then I posted an actual scored target from an actual match.

As soon as I have a little free time, I intend to shoot one as I posted day one of the thread, though as I indicated I rarely shoot for groups at 100. It's boring and doesn't make me a better shooter. That's why I do dot drills and KYL drills or positional shooting.

Your reading comprehension fails so badly that you don't catch that I never advocated a new shooter to buy a GAP, rather get a more adaptable rifle than the Axis that can more easily grow as his skills develop. Your bias, mean-spirit, and pure hatefulness prevents you from reading what I've written. You have a chip on your shoulder and simply wish to misinterpret for whatever your agenda is. I invite you to post some scored match targets or some ten round groups in this thread. But I guess you didn't like that I played your little game as if groups we shoot have any bearing on the validity of the information that stands on its own ;-)

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

I think it's great what you've done with the rifle. I've heard nothing but bad about the Axis in general, all the while seeing a lot of good from those who've owned them. As far as I know these are the same button rifled barrels used on the Stevens 200 and Savage 10-116 models.

FWIW, the Rem 700 was a further cheapened move away (721/722/725) from the Mauser knock-off that they used to make, the model 30. Which was a great rifle. They quit making their best rifle right after they started because of WWII, the 720. Unfortunately, Remington was always thinking 'good enough' not 'great'. Don't feel bad about not buying a 700 for any reason. Instead, feel good about the work you've done on your rifle, and how it's going to shoot for you.


Nothing more satisfying to me than to have done it yourself. And, it looks pretty outstanding!

 

[hammer502]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

shoot what you can afford!! get used to it's characteristics and improve it as you can afford. the only reason i have a 700 is because i had a 357 smith that a gentleman wanted more than his 700 adl. i have since changed stock,bottom metal and bolt knob along with adding a millet scope. hopefully some range time soon, but everyone likes the looks of the rifle. now if it only shoots as good as it looks!? KEEP DOING IT YOUR WAY AND MAKE IT SHOOT GOOD FOR YOU!! if someone looks down on you,smile and out shoot em at the range!!!!!!!

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

In defense of the Rem 700, I will say, when Mike Walker stripped everything off the Mauser action that he could, he left <span style="text-decoration: underline">the two most important things</span>. Two front locking lugs and a very centered bolt that holds the cartridge true to the chamber/bore. Those are the single two reasons why Remington is "King of the customs". All else aside when you put an awesome barrel on a trued action, Remington's naturally do well. It's a bit harder to true up a Winchester (pre or post) or Mauser action with their integral lugs. But, they can be done, and done very well.

 

[HANDYANDY83]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

Fiberglass and resin were donated from a body shop owning friend, so now I can layer on areas of the stock to reinforce it. I am also going to beef up the forend to make it more stable, so it doesn't move around so much under load of the bipod when it's deployed. It's all starting to come together. I found a used rifle basix trigger for 70 dollars, and a take off heavy 12fp barrel in .223 for 100 dollars, so I am doing VERY well on my money spent. The barrel has less than 150 rounds through it. The owner is switching it to a .300 BLK so he offered it to me. I plan on doing some shooting today, if it doesn't rain or snow. I just got off work, so we'll see what the weather is like when I wake up in a few hours. I just thought I'd post an update since I hadn't in a while. I'll also be posting more pictures of the rifle as the build goes forward, as well as the groups I shoot this weekend. I hope you are enjoying reading about this as much as I am enjoying doing the work. Thank you for all of your imput. Especially those who see my reasons, and understand.

Andy

 

[HANDYANDY83]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's great what you've done with the rifle. I've heard nothing but bad about the Axis in general, all the while seeing a lot of good from those who've owned them. As far as I know these are the same button rifled barrels used on the Stevens 200 and Savage 10-116 models.

FWIW, the Rem 700 was a further cheapened move away (721/722/725) from the Mauser knock-off that they used to make, the model 30. Which was a great rifle. They quit making their best rifle right after they started because of WWII, the 720. Unfortunately, Remington was always thinking 'good enough' not 'great'. Don't feel bad about not buying a 700 for any reason. Instead, feel good about the work you've done on your rifle, and how it's going to shoot for you.


Nothing more satisfying to me than to have done it yourself. And, it looks pretty outstanding!</div></div>

Thank you, it really means a lot to know that other people think it looks good, and that I have good quality of work.

 

[HANDYANDY83]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HANDYANDY83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Good shooting man, I'm going to the range friday, I'll be sure that this is the first place I go when I get back. 100 yards is just something I figured would be a good starting point. I prefer steel, it gives more satisfaction on hits. Paper doesn't usually do it for me. What I'm trying to prove is that everyone, including yourself, thinks that this rifle isn't worth the effort. I have the stock the way I want it, and even after adding a barrel and a trigger, I'm still ahead of the price of the standard SPS chambered in .223. I have no problems with Remington, I happen to think the 700 is a wonderful platform, I just can't afford it right now, so I'm trying to make do the best I can with what I have. But I'll post some targets to show you that even a cheap rifle can make some nice holes. I prefer prone, or even makeshift shooting positions. I've been incorporating running, and other forms of cardio into pre shooting, in order to get the blood pumping, I miss that from being in the army. Your rifle sounds killer by the way. I can't wait to show you what my Axis is really capable of. </div></div>

Thanks. Its a good shooting rifle, but I have a 700 AAC that I can shoot just as well for 1/4 of the cost. Man, I completely get it. But honestly, how much are you going to have in this rig with a barrel and trigger? Most triggers are $100 or so and most barrels that are an improvement are going to be at least $300...those two alone would get you an ADL Varmint at Dick's right now. Usually if a guy can't afford a $400-500 rifle, he'll never afford to shoot it enough to attain a greaet skill-set. I'd also recommend saving for some training, either online or in person.

I have no problem with making due with what you've got. I shot a sporter Ruger 77 starting out. It was very inaccurate for long strings and recoil was horrid! Its still a pain to shoot. My best advice is to save anything if that you'd be putting into the Axis if you can't afford $350 for the Dick's special. I'm just trying to keep you from throwing money down the drain. Why buy a new trigger and barrel if you can get MOA out of it the way it is? I had a buddy that wanted to try everything under the sun before finally giving in and getting one of the platforms you see over and over again on this site. He threw away tons of money trying to be different. He ran a Stevens sporter, two odd-caliber Win 70s, a cobbled-together AR, several Handy Rifles, and so on before he finally spent $500 on an SPS Tactical .308 Win. With a little instruction and help with ballistics he's shooting upper-middle of the pack with his SPS and a $300 Bushnell. You see formulas like that here time and time again. Why? It works.

Eventually, you're going to get good where you'll find shooting paper and steel is boringly easy. When you miss, you'll question your equipment. You'll max out the capability of your rifle. that is when having the more mainstream platforms will really, really shine.

Enjoy your rifle, and congrats for using ingenuity. </div></div>

I truly understand what you're saying, and I don't want you to think that I am belittling the advice you have given. I had the rifle, wanted it different, had the time, the materials, and the ability to change it. I know what you're saying about maxing out equipment. The Barska scope isn't a permanent solution, I am saving up to get either a SS scope, or an Elite 4200. Once I get this barrel and trigger installed with the stock the way I want it, I really thing this rifle will shoot as good as any other recreational rifle. I agree that someone just starting out could use some training, but I'm not a beginner, I just have financial needs that require me to run beginner gear at the moment. Thank you very much for all your input once again.

Andy

 

[aubie515]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

Andy,

Your stock looks good...seen your posts on SavageShooters. Don't let some on here get you down. I never was an Axis fan due to the fact that you could not upgrade the stock. That being said, I bought an Axis a couple of weeks ago to convert to 300blackout. My Axis project has been fun since I started it...the Axis stock is horrible, but I'm adding the rods to help with the flex issue.

Don't listen to the person that said pass on replacing the barrel. Those Savage pre fit barrels are inexpensive and they shoot lights out. Shilen and McGowen's are what I have and I will say they are well worth the upgrade from a factory Savage barrel.

 

[HANDYANDY83]

Re: Savage Axis after some modifications.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aubie515</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Andy,

Your stock looks good...seen your posts on SavageShooters. Don't let some on here get you down. I never was an Axis fan due to the fact that you could not upgrade the stock. That being said, I bought an Axis a couple of weeks ago to convert to 300blackout. My Axis project has been fun since I started it...the Axis stock is horrible, but I'm adding the rods to help with the flex issue.

Don't listen to the person that said pass on replacing the


barrel. Those Savage pre fit barrels are inexpensive and they shoot lights out. Shilen and McGowen's are what I have and I will say they are well worth the upgrade from a factory Savage barrel.</div></div>

Thank you, I'm glad I have another person who understands. I'm just trying to see how much I can make with how little.

 

[Altusp27]

I'm also a Savage Axis shooter. I have a Savage Edge in 243 and the Axis in 308. Both wonderful shooting guns. Any updates as to where you are with your Axis 308?

 

[LoneWolf_052713]

I saw this post a few months ago when I started rebuilding my Axis. I just wanted everyone to know that it is possible to run the Axis with the best of them!

Savage Axis SR .308 Base
SSS Axis Pro Tac Stock (coming soon)
McGowan 26in SS 1 in 10 twist Varmint Contour
Rifle Basix SAV-1 Trigger @ 1.5lbs
SWFA SS 10x42 in SWFA Low Rings
EGW 20MOA Rail
D.D. Ross Tactical Bolt Knob
Custom 10Rds Magazine
Rattle Can Camo Job by me.

 

[LoneWolf_052713]

Savage Axis Fully rebuilt.

Savage Axis SR .308
SSS Axis Pro Tac Stock
McGowan 26in SS 1 in 10 twist Varmint Contour
Rifle Basix SAV-1 Trigger (1.5lbs)
SWFA SS 10x42
SWFA low rings
EGW 20MOA Rail
Modified 10rds Box mag (created by a friend)

 

[mallrat]

Nice rifle. I was thinking about getting an Axis, but ARs keep consuming my budget.

Not to get into the pissing match, but if you wanted to get started on a budget 700 build check out

80% Model 700 Rifle Receivers and Model 700 Rifle Receiver Blanks | RocketHub

then start collecting parts and tools. Request a jig upon ordering, and final machining should be possible with a drill and dremel. A good companion to your Axis, another platform to flex your skills on. Just want to make sure you're aware of all of your options.

 

[LoneWolf_052713]

Nice rifle. I was thinking about getting an Axis, but ARs keep consuming my budget.

Not to get into the pissing match, but if you wanted to get started on a budget 700 build check out

80% Model 700 Rifle Receivers and Model 700 Rifle Receiver Blanks | RocketHub

then start collecting parts and tools. Request a jig upon ordering, and final machining should be possible with a drill and dremel. A good companion to your Axis, another platform to flex your skills on. Just want to make sure you're aware of all of your options.

Thank you! I looked at all the 700's and what not and just decided that Savages were easier to work on and just as capable. When I got the Axis I did not realize how little after market support it had, but decided to build it to show everyone that it was possible. This is a sub-half minute rifle now and I have competed with it in a long range comp a month back. That was before I dropping it in the stock you see above though. I was previously running it in the below format:



I am curious to see the changes in performance with this stock as it feels much more solid and is much more comfortable to be in the prone position with.

 

[Starvingboy]

NEAT! I'm bought a axis myself. Heck, the entire reason I joined this forum is a guy was selling 10 round mags for the axis. I think my little rifle ended up costing $800, with optics, bipod, and two 10 round mags, leaving me VERY happy, and I can ring the gong at 1k, something I honestly thought would be more difficult, as I'm not that good a shot.

Plus, I get to monkey with the rifle all I want, and if I TOTALLY screw the pooch, I'm out $300 at most. Takes a lot of pressure off when you're experimenting with bedding and customizing and, well, whatever you feel like trying. (like a built in rear monopod) I bought it to mess with, and mess with I shall.

Nice looking rifle, I'll have to study your pictures in detail for more ideas.

 

[topgun1982]

hey andy
say I ran a cross your post I Just baught a savage axis .223 if all gos as pland Ill be picking it up this week end cant wait to pick it up LOL I was wondering I can seenm to open all of your pics here I would like to fix up my .223 like you have done I have looked every were I can think of trying to find a tactical stock but there really isnt any for the axis I to want to make it stronger an not be flexing could you please email me some pics of what you did to your axis here is my email address
[email protected] I agree with you I am on a fixed income an cant aford to go out an spend tons of money on a nice rifle I love the .223 I shot it when I was in the service an fell in love with it
John

 

[kctgb]

I would like to make a comment, if it shoots good save the barrel and use the money for a good optic. If funds are limited maybe look at the SWFA super sniper 10X. It is being used on 50"s in the middle east so it's battle tested, it also passed the U.S. military trials when the navy was looking for a new scope. If you buy from the SWFA web sight you can pick one up for $300 plus shipping.

A very outstanding scope for the money. Check out the reviews on the web and you tube. Rex (tiborasorousrex ) has a good you tube video about the super sniper.

P.S. I have a rifle with a light weight barrel and it will keep five rounds at just under 1/2 inch at 100 meters with 180 grain blue box federal ammo. My hand loads are a tad better.

 

[fdkay]

I would like to make a comment, if it shoots good save the barrel and use the money for a good optic. If funds are limited maybe look at the SWFA super sniper 10X. It is being used on 50"s in the middle east so it's battle tested, it also passed the U.S. military trials when the navy was looking for a new scope. If you buy from the SWFA web sight you can pick one up for $300 plus shipping.

A very outstanding scope for the money. Check out the reviews on the web and you tube. Rex (tiborasorousrex ) has a good you tube video about the super sniper.

P.S. I have a rifle with a light weight barrel and it will keep five rounds at just under 1/2 inch at 100 meters with 180 grain blue box federal ammo. My hand loads are a tad better.

+1
Upgrade your glass.
The SS 10x or 12x would be an excellent upgrade.

I will tell you this, what some have said here is learned from their own experience.
I'm glad your rifle shoots well, and I'm glad your having a good time modifying it.
But you are going to run into a point of diminishing returns.
Just an FYI, Boyds makes a nice laminated stock for the axis. A good, home done glass bed job will help.

 

[Akbp21]

What stocks will the axis action fit into? I broke the factory stock and have the accurate mag short action bottom metal. Looking for a stock that will accommodate both.

 

[TACTICOOL-ROSIE]

When will that SSS Axis Pro Tac Stock become available to everyone?