hey guys, hopefully maybe one of you can help me here. The bolt on my model 111 long action 7mm seems to be really tuff at the top of the opening stroke, is this normal or is there something that i can do to fix it? Thanks
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Gunsmithing Savage bolt question
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Re: Savage bolt question
Pretty typical. But with some time it should be less "tough" as you work the bolt more. You can also try a lift kit and a longer bolt handle. Both Sharp Shooter Supply or Stockad can help you. I believe the lift kit from Stockad is only a few dollars.
Pretty typical. But with some time it should be less "tough" as you work the bolt more. You can also try a lift kit and a longer bolt handle. Both Sharp Shooter Supply or Stockad can help you. I believe the lift kit from Stockad is only a few dollars.
Re: Savage bolt question
$7.50 and you can make your own with a 38 case and a 5/32" ball bearing... pics coming
cut the case evenly, plumb, flush or at a right angle is what im getting at, at about that line...then you have to secure the bearing in the primer pocket, super glue, jb weld. that goes into the cocking piece sleeve I BELIEVE...i havent gotten to install this yet. also you need to trim the bolt assembly screw by the amount that the case and bearing protrude out of the *cocking piece* again, i havent installed mine yet, but its the cocking piece sleeve that i think the case fits into.
but that stiffness can be lessened some, but its the cocking of the mechanism that you feel. let me look for a link for you... here is a link to a page with tips on where to polish. i used 600 paper to polish mine
$7.50 and you can make your own with a 38 case and a 5/32" ball bearing... pics coming
cut the case evenly, plumb, flush or at a right angle is what im getting at, at about that line...then you have to secure the bearing in the primer pocket, super glue, jb weld. that goes into the cocking piece sleeve I BELIEVE...i havent gotten to install this yet. also you need to trim the bolt assembly screw by the amount that the case and bearing protrude out of the *cocking piece* again, i havent installed mine yet, but its the cocking piece sleeve that i think the case fits into.
but that stiffness can be lessened some, but its the cocking of the mechanism that you feel. let me look for a link for you... here is a link to a page with tips on where to polish. i used 600 paper to polish mine
Re: Savage bolt question
cool, Axeman you're the man, but somehome i'm mesmerized by your signature pic.
cool, Axeman you're the man, but somehome i'm mesmerized by your signature pic.
Re: Savage bolt question
thats why i keep her. even if im full of crap, she stuns people enough to let me get away.
thats why i keep her. even if im full of crap, she stuns people enough to let me get away.
Re: Savage bolt question
not hi jacking but i seen a fellow at the range the other day that had modified some fal and aics mags that were working perfectly in his model 10.they were very impressive.
not hi jacking but i seen a fellow at the range the other day that had modified some fal and aics mags that were working perfectly in his model 10.they were very impressive.
Re: Savage bolt question
$7.50 for a bolt lift kit?
Bearings from the hardware store costs me $0.16 and I use 357 cases picked up from the range.
$7.50 for a bolt lift kit?
Bearings from the hardware store costs me $0.16 and I use 357 cases picked up from the range.
Re: Savage bolt question
i heard that. i did the same. its just trimming the ... thing i said you had to trim that gets me nervous
i heard that. i did the same. its just trimming the ... thing i said you had to trim that gets me nervous
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well i'm gonna try n build a casing lift kit, we'll see. The whole mag thing sounds great, but then i gotta cut up my stock with no special tools!
well i'm gonna try n build a casing lift kit, we'll see. The whole mag thing sounds great, but then i gotta cut up my stock with no special tools!
Re: Savage bolt question
if you want bottom metal, try CDI, Jeff will inlet the stock for $60, and sell you the bottom metal. i think you can even send the whole thing to him for install too. its well worth it when you get to that point.
one thing about the lift kit. you have to trim as much off the bolt assembly screw (BAS) as the case and ball bearing sticks out. it needs to be cut square. thats my only reservation in that process. try the polishing first. 600 grit wet/dry will work. just that alone made mine feel smoother. remember that what you are feeling is the cocking of the firing pin. thats always gonna be there. the lift reduces the contact area from two flat surfaces pivoting on eachother to just the tip of the bearing rotating on a flat surface. at least thats my understanding of how it works. i also had one guy say he drilled the primer pocket out and threaded the hole with the appropriate sized tap. he then used an allen/hex set screw with a rounded end and loctited it in place so the rounded end was set at a minimal protrusion, but enough to be the pivot point against the BAS. now all of this should be pretty close to how it works, i havent gotten that far yet and taken it all apart, but as it was explained, thats how everything should work.
if you want bottom metal, try CDI, Jeff will inlet the stock for $60, and sell you the bottom metal. i think you can even send the whole thing to him for install too. its well worth it when you get to that point.
one thing about the lift kit. you have to trim as much off the bolt assembly screw (BAS) as the case and ball bearing sticks out. it needs to be cut square. thats my only reservation in that process. try the polishing first. 600 grit wet/dry will work. just that alone made mine feel smoother. remember that what you are feeling is the cocking of the firing pin. thats always gonna be there. the lift reduces the contact area from two flat surfaces pivoting on eachother to just the tip of the bearing rotating on a flat surface. at least thats my understanding of how it works. i also had one guy say he drilled the primer pocket out and threaded the hole with the appropriate sized tap. he then used an allen/hex set screw with a rounded end and loctited it in place so the rounded end was set at a minimal protrusion, but enough to be the pivot point against the BAS. now all of this should be pretty close to how it works, i havent gotten that far yet and taken it all apart, but as it was explained, thats how everything should work.
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he had an fcp with hs stock,just like mine .he had replicated the catch that come on the factory savage mag,and then welded that peice onto the other magazines.the rifle looked neat with a 20 round fal mag in it.
he had an fcp with hs stock,just like mine .he had replicated the catch that come on the factory savage mag,and then welded that peice onto the other magazines.the rifle looked neat with a 20 round fal mag in it.
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see if he will allow some pics if you bump into him again. that sounds like a neat setup.
see if he will allow some pics if you bump into him again. that sounds like a neat setup.
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yeah kinda kickin myself for not tryin to purchase a couple off of him.he had an ammo can full of them.
yeah kinda kickin myself for not tryin to purchase a couple off of him.he had an ammo can full of them.
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and they fit in the factory mag well?? thats a pretty smart mod. ill have to see if i can spot some FAL mags and give it a look.
and they fit in the factory mag well?? thats a pretty smart mod. ill have to see if i can spot some FAL mags and give it a look.
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yeah i'd probably have to have someone do that for me, for cosmetic purposes more then anything. I just don't know if i could do that or not.
yeah i'd probably have to have someone do that for me, for cosmetic purposes more then anything. I just don't know if i could do that or not.
Re: Savage bolt question
zman, if you want to go that route and you have a detachable mag already, try the 9 round mags from sharp shooters supply. if you dont have a detachable mag, try CDI. ITS SWEET!!
hey, also lightly lube your locking lugs. that may help
zman, if you want to go that route and you have a detachable mag already, try the 9 round mags from sharp shooters supply. if you dont have a detachable mag, try CDI. ITS SWEET!!
hey, also lightly lube your locking lugs. that may help
Re: Savage bolt question
it looked probably more simple than it probly was,he had a couple different ones,one was a savage mag with the bottom removed,and the mag body setting ontop of the fal mag,the other ones were just a smll bracket welded onto the fal mag.
it looked probably more simple than it probly was,he had a couple different ones,one was a savage mag with the bottom removed,and the mag body setting ontop of the fal mag,the other ones were just a smll bracket welded onto the fal mag.
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yeah my rifle is a blind mag, so there is not even a whole or bottom metal to start with. The stock would have to be cut and so forth.
yeah my rifle is a blind mag, so there is not even a whole or bottom metal to start with. The stock would have to be cut and so forth.
Re: Savage bolt question
hey, i just made a bolt lift kit dealy bopper thinga ma jig a ma bobber....
its in this section
hey, i just made a bolt lift kit dealy bopper thinga ma jig a ma bobber....
its in this section
Re: Savage bolt question
10-4 i just read it. Thanks man thats pretty good and to answer that question, yes you are suppose to trim the bas or i guess you could do the cocking sleeve the amount of the new height. nice job though, love the drill thing!
10-4 i just read it. Thanks man thats pretty good and to answer that question, yes you are suppose to trim the bas or i guess you could do the cocking sleeve the amount of the new height. nice job though, love the drill thing!
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im thinking i can live without trimming. i will polish the BAS, big ass screw, thats funny. its just fun doing it cheap, by hand basically and myself.
im thinking i can live without trimming. i will polish the BAS, big ass screw, thats funny. its just fun doing it cheap, by hand basically and myself.
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i agree, i'll prolly try it without any trimming to and see if it helps, but i know the last time i put my bolt back together i injured myself lol
i agree, i'll prolly try it without any trimming to and see if it helps, but i know the last time i put my bolt back together i injured myself lol
