Savage MKII into AICS (not Airsoft)

[S1erra1]

Hey all, been thinking about this for a while now so I thought I'd share my progress so far.

Got my hands on some 6061 aluminium as close to the right size as possible and milled it down to suit.

Here is a rough idea of where the action will sit

Sides fitted

That's all for now, need to start inletting next but got a pretty busy couple of days coming up, I'll post more pic's as it progresses.

 

[ckfishdive]

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This is gonna be quite a project.

Keepin my eyes on it.

 

[GotCox]

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Very cool idea. Lots of hard work ahead, but you will have an awesome rifle when complete. That and will look just like the full size so if your using it as a trainer you will be set!

 

[Goodwood]

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Sweet! I'll be watching this thread with much anticipation.

 

[woogie_man]

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Nice work man.


Can't wait to see the end result.

 

[jtb33]

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Very impressive. Good luck with it.

 

[Jerz_Subbie]

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Very cool, I can't wait to see the finished product!

If this turns out well and you can reproduce them, you'll have quite the demand

 

[Ouch!!]

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Thought about this too but I'm a viper skins fan.

 

[JMC]

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Very cool project. I would love to do something like this but your skill set is way out of my league.

Looking forward to seeing it all done.

 

[S1erra1]

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Thanks for the encouragement all

If it turns out good enough and I can replicate it easy enough I'll probly put some up for sale, we'll see how we go.

I'm pretty sure the Viper skins would fit too (with the same modifications)

Well I had a pretty good run today and got home earlier than expected so I got stuck in and got a bit more done,

Started inleting for the action, I took heaps of photo's but I'm buggered if I know where they went cos they're not on the camera anymore

Action fitted

A couple of spots on the skins needed to be modified, nothing too dramatic but worth keeping in mind If you want to go down this road, I'll get some more pic's of these spots after I clean it all up.

Action in and skins fitted

Not 100% happy with the gap here but I can't see anyway of prettying it up, I s'pose it'll look a lot neater and less out of place when it's all painted.

That's all for now, still have to sort out the butt, check piece, bolt handle recess and bipod adapter but it's getting there, it certainly doesent feel like a .22 anymore

 

[Jerz_Subbie]

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Looking good! I think you're right, the gap will be less noticeable once it's all painted.

Gregt made a pretty nice chassis for a Howa1500 and posted some CAD renderings and pics which look pretty cool, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2542566&page=1

 

[DCR]

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I'm sure you could whip up a filler piece to go in the gap. Paint it the same color as the stock and it will look like it belongs.

 

[woogie_man]

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Filler would probably be your best friend when it comes to that gap.

 

[OnyxSkyDV]

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Lookin' good! You could also sleeve the action into a larger diameter tube to beef it up in size, though might make the magazine harder to get to.

Onyx

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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that's a pretty cool project.

i bet that same block (minus the skins) can be worked to fit your choice of an AR styled grip and threaded to accept all the AR stocks that are out there.

 

[S1erra1]

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Jerz, I've been a big fan of Gregs work for a while now, just wish I had access to a CNC too

I s'pose the filler would work as far a asthetics go but I've had zero experience with that sort of stuff + I don't really want anything touching the action, atm the only thing touching the stock is the three action lugs

TP, you must be a mind reader mate cos that's the next project

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: S1erra1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
TP, you must be a mind reader mate cos that's the next project

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if you make 'em, and can sell them for a reasonable price (even just the block minus the grip and butt stock) you'll sell alot. you'll have to come up with an way to incorportate a trigger gaurd, whether it's a hook or even something removeable that bumps up to a mil spec AR grip of a buyers choosing. a couple of sling studs for a bipod and perhaps predrilled holes aon the bottom or sides for a rail application. the extras could even be extra $ upon order.

i can picture one of those blocks with a harris bipod, a DPMS panther type grip and a magpul type or other target styled buttstock. even a cheapie m4 adjustable would be nice on it.

if you make one, let us know.

sorry to go off topic, back to the thread.

 

[nobbie333actual]

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now after building one from scratch would you do it again or uses airsoft

 

[S1erra1]

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I'll keep you posted TP, I'm curently looking for a local mob with a CNC setup that don't charge an arm and a leg, If I can find one, I'll fine tune some designs and start production.

What about something like my Norinco but without the tube around the reciever?

It takes AR grips, butts and handguards

 

[S1erra1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nobbie333actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now after building one from scratch would you do it again or uses airsoft </div></div>

Well, I don't really have access to Airsoft but I think doing it this way would give a much stronger and durable outcome.

Talking to Greg some more has given me some ideas to cut down weight, costs and machine time.

 

[Linkless]

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That looks very interesting and I'd surely be interested in adding one to my collection as I like this approach much more than I like the airsoft one.

 

[b0xcrash]

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I saw a guy somewhere else, cannot remember where, that did something similar. With his aluminum internal bed/chassis he actually cut out cross sections in the chassis removing large pieces, while keeping integrity and strength, but drastically reducing bulk and weight.

 

[Jerz_Subbie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: b0xcrash</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I saw a guy somewhere else, cannot remember where, that did something similar. With his aluminum internal bed/chassis he actually cut out cross sections in the chassis removing large pieces, while keeping integrity and strength, but drastically reducing bulk and weight. </div></div>

Are you talking about this? It's member gregt, from the thread I linked above

 

[S1erra1]

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Well thanks to Gregt's insight I've decided to split the main section into three parts with 3mm box section on each end, this will cut both costs and price.
I think I'm also going to re machine a new centre piece that will come up higher towards the reciever and hide that gap.

Couple more pic's for your veiwing pleasure

 

[Linkless]

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I am getting more and more interested in this every time I see it. My machining skills are lacking but I do have a mini-mill at home and am thinking about tackling this. Can you give me the dimensions of the base rectangle needed to do this?

 

[Jerz_Subbie]

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I like the 3 piece design for cost and weight savings as well as flexibility. I really wish I had the skills and tools to do this, it looks like such a cool project. I'm having trouble simply pillar bedding my Tacticool stock

 

[S1erra1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Linkless</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am getting more and more interested in this every time I see it. My machining skills are lacking but I do have a mini-mill at home and am thinking about tackling this. Can you give me the dimensions of the base rectangle needed to do this? </div></div>

Mate it's 32mm X 25mm by I can't remember the length atm

Go for it, a mini mill will be more than enough machine for the job, just take your time.

If it makes you feel better Jerz, I had more confidence building this new stock rather than bedding the original

 

[Linkless]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: S1erra1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mate it's 32mm X 25mm by I can't remember the length atm

Go for it, a mini mill will be more than enough machine for the job, just take your time.</div></div>

Thanks, I don't have the skins available but from your pics and those dimensions I can probably get something close and then worry about the skins later.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

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The first person who does this right and can produce a reasonable volume is going to sell a ton of them.



Good luck

 

[S1erra1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first person who does this right and can produce a reasonable volume is going to sell a ton of them.

Good luck </div></div>

Thanks mate, that's the plan but I want something that is 100% spot on before it goes any further, I think if you can make something with value for money in mind you'll always do ok.

Might have the minister for war and finance on side to equip the shed with a CNC mill

 

[S1erra1]

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Update time, I decided if I was going to try to make this a marketable kit then I'd better do it right so I've started from scratch

The idea will be to get the prototype perfect then hopefully find a local CNC mob that will replicate it without charging like a wounded pig with no where to go

This is where it's at so far,

The old setup and the new middle section (6061 40mmX40mm)

Into the mill (pic for the machineaholics)

Three pieces, note the block for the bolt handle is intergrated

Mock up

Next step is to inlet for the action and hopefully having more material to play with now I can hide that ugly gap

Stay tuned

 

[Tackman11]

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Sweet, can wait to see final product.

 

[S1erra1]

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Me either Dan

Ok, got a bit more done

The inletting is now right except for a slight F/U with the front action hole near the mag

but that will be fixed on the production model

Action in

Skins on

no more ugly gap

It also looks like I've found a local engineering mob who is willing to take on the production job for an allright sort of price

 

[S1erra1]

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Still need to do the front end cap, rear cap, butt adapter and the cheek riser which I've started but I'm not happy with it.

started with 50mm round bar, shaped it then had to split it in half, that took some working out

Was going to use this plastic bar I've got here but it's an absolute prick to work with so aluminium it is.............for now anyway

I had visions of it looking a lot better than this

I'm not real happy with it but it may look better if I shave off the bottom some more so it's just a radius with no flat edges

If anyone's got any better/easier ideas I'm all ears

 

[shoot4fun]

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It seems to me that, with the three piece design, you could work this chassis up for several different models of 22LR rifle. I have a Remington 541 and would love to have something like this for it.
I with the crowd that can't even bed his 10-22 into a Tacticool stock

Great work and nice pics!

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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S1ERRA1, in reply to the stuff on page 1 of the topic, the norinco project is great, and would be nice eyecandy for anyones rifle with that tube around the receiver.

but this aluminum block is the heart of it, where the action is cradled and "locked in". i believe a small section of the receiver tube would have to be left at the begining of the receiver to allow an AR forestock to be incorporated, but i would also have to believe that the rest of the receiver tube really isn't needed, and the added cost of the material ould add to the cost of the stock, if yo do indeed intend on making them.

i would, however, go with the any AR styled buttstock mounting hole and AR styled grip option. i don't know if the trigger guard can or should be changed (on the norinco, again the cost of material vs. labor to make something removeable. perhaps the bigger and bulkier trigger gaurd integrated into the block may be easier to manufacture, and less expensive too.

this may be over analyzing (as i tend to do) but if the main aluminum block (ditching the AR handguard / forestock idea) could have an adapter added to the smaller square at the back of the receiver that will accept an AR butt stock and accomodate an AR style grip, you can have 1 main bedding block (with a removable trigger guard) that can have 2 applications - an AICS or an AR build setup.

basically you can pound out the main alum block using the same jigs and milling settings. then just sell the adapter and trigger guard seperately for an AR flavored setup, the alum block alone for the AICS flavored setup.


the whole concept of the AICS block is great, the AR option would be the icing on the cake.

again as i said before, if you can make them, and at a reasonable price, you'll sell them like hot cakes.

depending on what price you may come up with if you plan on making and selling them, and if you pursue the AR option, i'll put in an advance order for a savage MKII and depending on price, a CZ 455 stock in addition to the MKII.

i actually like the AR route as a pair of skins would cost at least 200.00 + the cost of the aluminum block, while that same 200.00 could get a nice target style AR butt stock and decent grip, setting up the mkii like a savage BAT or BAS.

while i was going to get an airsoft AICS stock to do a conversion, i think i'll be holding off until your projects are finalized.

 

[S1erra1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems to me that, with the three piece design, you could work this chassis up for several different models of 22LR rifle. I have a Remington 541 and would love to have something like this for it.
I with the crowd that can't even bed his 10-22 into a Tacticool stock

Great work and nice pics!
</div></div>

Thanks mate and your exactly right, the basic design would be the same for most actions providing they line up with the skins, all that would need to be changed would be the inleting.

 

[S1erra1]

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TP, I've been thinking more and more about a cost friendly tube type setup like on the Norinco and yes, I think maybe the way to go would be a universal style platform that would take AR accessories and could be inleted for most actions.
This design for the AICS skins wouldn't work tho, it's just too dependant on the skins.
I think after this AICS setup is sorted I'd like to work on a platform where the original action is uncovered so you can still utilise the original optic mounts but also fit a quad rail style barrel shroud, probably something similar in design to the XLR chassis.

Being that it still isn't finished and that I haven't fully finalized the deal with the CNC mob yet the price is still up in the air.
Takeing into account the skins are around the $200 mark, I really want to aim at keeping the kit (minus skins) under the $400 mark which would include butt pad, cheek riser, underslung rail for a bipod and the screws which I don't think come with the skins.
This may seem a bit exy for some and while I'm not looking to make big profits out of this I'm not looking to do it for charity either

Hopefully a tube style setup (If I can design it all as one piece) would work out a bit cheaper.

 

[knockemdown]

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I admire your fabricating skills! Great project, thanks for sharing the step by step...

 

[Alan_H]

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tag!

 

[Jerz_Subbie]

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$400 minus the skins seems pretty reasonable. That means for about $800 you can have a .22 trainer in an AICS, not including optics.

 

[S1erra1]

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Thanks gents.

Ok, got the arse end pretty much sorted tonight, it's not rounded to the right shape yet but that will have to be a job for the CNC boy's which unfortunately means more $$$ but I think it will be worth it.

I'm keen as to get out and shoot it but the original TRR tri-rail doesen't fit over the skins, no biggie really, I could never really warm to it anyway.
Couple more pic's

Thanks to Gregt, I've decided to go with this cheekpiece
http://shop.victorcompanyusa.com/9-GRIPP...EKREST-1018.htm

 

[jtb33]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: S1erra1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks to Gregt, I've decided to go with this cheekpiece
http://shop.victorcompanyusa.com/9-GRIPP...EKREST-1018.htm </div></div>

Nice job.

Just remember: that cheekpiece is just the rubber portion. It doesn't come with the metal underside frame or the attachment posts.

 

[The Zebra]

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Nicely done!

 

[S1erra1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jtb33</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: S1erra1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks to Gregt, I've decided to go with this cheekpiece
http://shop.victorcompanyusa.com/9-GRIPP...EKREST-1018.htm </div></div>

Nice job.

Just remember: that cheekpiece is just the rubber portion. It doesn't come with the metal underside frame or the attachment posts. </div></div>

Yes mate, you're right, I've had it express posted so I can get in and remedy that.

 

[Mlr75]

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very cool project. i could definitely be in for one.

 

[GRMGR1]

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If you decide to make some of those chassis to sell, I'd be down for one.

 

[S1erra1]

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Thanks guys,

I'm getting there, just waiting for the cheeck riser to turn up now, then I can complete it and get an exact price

Cheers

 

[dddoo7]

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I am interested as well depending on price.

 

[S1erra1]

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Ok, well thanks for your patience and interest all, I'm still waiting for the cheek riser but I'm itching to get this done so I jumped ahead a couple of steps.

Here is the layout so far minus the cheek riser (the butt may change yet)

Everything blasted and ready for the Cerakote (no the flash hider is not part of it)

Parts now coated

Action fitted

Here's a close up of the butt as it is now

But now thanks to another forum member I'm thinking of leaving it like this

Adding two horizontal rods and using this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/280518286148?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648

Should still look pretty good, will be cheaper and it'll offer LOP and height adjustments
Any thoughts on this?

I wanted to fit my scope for some pic's but the tri-rail is too narrow now and the std rails don't give enough height so I threw the tri-rail in the mill and widened it a touch

Then I modded the other set of skins I had (must be one of the first sets cos it's cheek riser is built in) put it all together and...........

These skins may look familiar to some members......... Thanks LongArm

I know it's taking a while but again, bare with me. Once the riser and the new butt get here it should be sorted and ready for the CNC guys