Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

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I have a Savage MKII with a EGW 20 moa base and the Weaver 3X10 X40mm MIL/MIL scope (the $300 at midway scope). I can't get to 200y before it tops out on elevation. It's just a little short about 2.5 mils short of making to to the 200y mark I'm looking for. I used a set of rings that I had on hand. I'm not sure what height the rings are but I know there not a low set of rings. What I'm wondering is before I order a DIP 25moa base do you think I could get the 2.5 mils different if I went and got a set of low rings and dropped the scope closer to the bore?

Ken
 
#2
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

I have the DIP 25 MOA base on a Kimber 82g. SWFA SS straight 16. Low rings. Got a ton of elevation left after 200 meters. Come ups to 200 were 19 MOA, if memory serves me, in my settings book so I don't have to....

My set up anyway. Hope it helps.

I find it hard to believe you are running out at 200 with the 20 base.
 
#3
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

It could be something to do with my ammo. I'm running Rem sub-sonics and FGMM 922A. The rem sub-sonics shot about 2.5 mils low at 200 with the scope topped out, the FGMM about 1.5 mils low at siad range. The Weaver scope only turns 1 rev. and 1.5 mils past my 50y zero. I'm trying to set it up as a match gun for a .22lr sniper match with ranges of 50y/75y/100y/150y/200y knock down targets. Just trying to get to 200y without hold overs. Do you think it could be a problem wit hthe scope?
 
#4
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

That does not seem right to me... subsonic drop @ 200 is not extreme and should not be an issue. Are you sure there is not a bass issue maybe? I have the same scope, and do not have the issue. Something is going on there; try another scope and see what happens to rule out the base. Could the base be backwards?

If you are looking for a new base, murphy precision will make you whatever you like. i have a 40 minute base for my 22 from him and it is great. They are not cheap though.

I shoot all subsonics with my 22 and have gone quite a bit farther than 200 yards, so i doubt that is the issue at all.
 
#5
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

Just a thought, is there any way the rail is mounted backwards? With the low end of the rail being towards the rear of the receiver instead of the front. Or, could it be a standard rail mismarked a 20 MOA rail?

I have almost the same set up, a Mark II FV with a 20 MOA rail and a Bushnell 10X and I shoot out to 225 yds with clicks to spare. I'm using standard velocity CCI.

Take care,
FIREDOG
 
#6
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

Something is definitely wrong. My mark 2 FV/Mueller APT gets me to 200 with 20 MOA "up" from 50 yard zero with fed high velocity and something like 23 MOA with Wolf MT using standard bases and Millet AngleLok high rings (All I had available when I set it up.

Angle Lock" brings up a question...was your scope's windage adjustment centered (I think this is called "optically centered"?) in it's range of adjustment when you set your zero? I understand that I scope that is adjusted to either windage extreme will not have the full range of nominally available elevation adjustment as when optically centered. If you mounted the scope on the gun and then had to adjust a lot of windage one way to get your zero, then you will not have the full elevation adjustment available. Someone else can probably explain this far better and this is probably a dumb/obvious question anyway.

Let us know how it turns out.

-The Kid.
 
#7
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

I'll double check everything and make sure but I'm fairly sure the base is instilled correct. I can look and see that the thicker part of the base is to the rear of the reciever. To come to think about it I also had a Tasco Varmit 6X24 on it and it to run out of elevation at about the same spot. As for as the windage adjustment it's one rev out at my 50y zero. I'll do some checking one the total adjustment of the scope when I get home. It should have 16.5 mils each way, and if I remember correct this is what I have in the scope from stop to stop.
 
#8
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

I check the rifle out and the base is installed correctly. As for as the windage it's got to be close to centered out. I have the full 16.5 mils of elevation stop to stop. What now?
 
#10
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

The scope has 16.5mils stop to stop in both elevation and windage per Weaver's spec's, and this is what I get on the scope. Yes going to try a set of low rings and see what happens. I do have a Varible Gantry Mount that will sovle the problem but wanted to use it somewhere else.
 
#11
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

I have a Savage MKII with an EGW 20moa base, and a Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40. I can reach 315 yards with this setup, and RWS subsonic target ammo.

Sounds like you've got an issue. Measure your scope base and see if EGW accidentally sent you a non-angled base.
 
#12
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KHOOKS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Savage MKII with a EGW 20 moa base and the Weaver 3X10 X40mm MIL/MIL scope (the $300 at midway scope). I can't get to 200y before it tops out on elevation. It's just a little short about 2.5 mils short of making to to the 200y mark I'm looking for. I used a set of rings that I had on hand. I'm not sure what height the rings are but I know there not a low set of rings. What I'm wondering is before I order a DIP 25moa base do you think I could get the 2.5 mils different if I went and got a set of low rings and dropped the scope closer to the bore?

Ken </div></div>

I have the same base, scope and rifle. With the scope zeroed at 50 yards I can dial up 10.4 mil and down 6.2 mil. Check and see how much elevation you can come up.
 
#14
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

DFOOSKING,

I can do that and see what I can come up with. After I get the metal the right thickness I'll trim it then bed the base to the receiver. It clean up well and no one is the wiser.

Ken
 
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Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KHOOKS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From my 50y zero I can dial one rev + 1.5 mils. So this should be 6.5 mils of up elevation from my 50y zero. </div></div>

The math points to you being 20 moa in the wrong direction from a flat base. You said the base is on correct. Is it possible you have different height rings like off a ruger m77? Can you post a picture of the base and rings installed?

Here is mine for reference.
100_1797.jpg
 
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Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

I'll get some pic's up. I'm not sure about the rings, and I fell that the base is correct but you never know. I have f'ed things up before. I can tell you that the rings holds my scope up alot high off the barrel than the pic above. The rings are a set of iron sighter rings I'll try and find a link to them.
 
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Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Note jnel's photo above....the bell of his scope is practically touching the base. Your eye relief needs to clear your base. Contact can cause POI shift and damage to the internals of the scope. </div></div>

You can slide a penny between the scope and base . It looks like in the picture, but EGW milled out the center of the rail allowing the bell of the scope to be back that far. I needed it that far back for the proper eye relief on 10x. I also like to get my scope as low as possible for a beter cheek weld.
 
#19
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KHOOKS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Savage MKII with a EGW 20 moa base and the Weaver 3X10 X40mm MIL/MIL scope (the $300 at midway scope). I can't get to 200y before it tops out on elevation. It's just a little short about 2.5 mils short of making to to the 200y mark I'm looking for. I used a set of rings that I had on hand. I'm not sure what height the rings are but I know there not a low set of rings. What I'm wondering is before I order a DIP 25moa base do you think I could get the 2.5 mils different if I went and got a set of low rings and dropped the scope closer to the bore?

Ken </div></div>

Did you ever find out the issue here KHOOKS?
 
#20
Re: Savage MKII with EGW 20MOA base

Is it possible that the scope is not sitting firmly in one the rings? I had a similar problem with some leupold prw rings. You couldn't see any light under them but I couldn't get past 150 with a 25moa rail. After I lapped them my problem went away
 
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