Savage Rifle(need help)

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In july I purchased a savage 10fcp rifle, as an employee of Bass Pro Shops I am able to get a special deal from savage.
I recieved the rifle and went to the range to sight in, after shooting it became apparent the rifle was shooting 6in to the left at 100yrs. I thought maybe it was my scope or rings I changed out equipment a few times
Equipment used
2 x burris xtr 6-24 tac
1 x bushnell 3200 4-16 tac
warne/badger/tally mounts
warne/burris/weaver rings no matter what i did the rifle shot 6in to the right with no left scope adjustment left. I sent the rifle back to savage, they replaced the barrel and sent it back to me
I get the rifle back and go to the range and guess what happens, it shoots 6in to the right again with no left scope adjustment left. I have let 2 other people shoot the gun with there scopes and it shoots 6in to the right for them also. So I call savage back and they were not realy helpful they said when it left them it shot to there specs. After a few calls and talking to a manager they agree to look at it again, I send it back the 2nd time. They say the shot it and it shot to their specs with there scope on the gun. They say it has to be my equipment so then sent the gun back to me with their mount on it to try.
I get the gun back and go shoot and it still shoots 6in to the right. Savage sent me 2 targes showing somehow they get the gun to shoot just fine. I have no idea what is going on.
So now i get my manager at bass pro shop to give them a call, and savage says the gun is just fine and it is my fault that the gun is not shooting right. I get bass pro to put a scope on the gun and bore sight it and it shows gun shoots to the right just like i have said.
At this pt 3 people have shot this gun with 5 different scopes, bass pro has bored sighted it and after all that it still shoots 6in to the right at 100yrds.
This has cost savage a number of sales cause I will not sell another savage gun till i am satified with my gun.
Well my manager gets savage to take it back for the third time and we send it back again. They get the gun and shoot it and again they say it shoots to there specs and the scope i sent with the gun is the problem. Well that scope is one that the 2 other people and myself have shot and also that scope came off a gun that has over 900 rnds at 600yds though it, it isnt the scope, at this pt they are sending it back to me.
I dont know what to do I have over 2500.00 in this gun with scope and i am not a wealthy man, this is a lot of money to me and will be a hardship if i cant get the gun to shoot
Does anyone have any other ideas what to do i am at a loss
 
#2
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Damn I'm sorry to hear this, I've never heard of a complaint like this about a Savage. I would've suggested it be your base but even with their base it shot fine. It doesn't make a lot of sense but have you swithced your ammunition? I don't see how it could be off by so much if the gun is correct but you've mentioned changing everything except your ammo so I guess it is worth a shot at this point.
 
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It sounds to me as thought the holes for the bases are drilled off center. One thing you can try is taking one of the weaver bases and flipping them around. Have you played around with the bases at all? How much internal adjustment does your scope have?
 
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From what I understand is that he has adjusted the scope as far left as it will go. He said "it shoots 6in to the right again with no left scope adjustment left." That's when I was thrown off too because I was thinking the same as you until this point in his post.
 
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also fill out your profile so someone close to you can possibly get together with you and look stuff over. and we may have spoken because someone else here had the same issue and i think worked at a similar place. as suggested, can you correct the windage and get on target? does the scope have enough adjustment? its strange that savage can hit a target and your so far off with the same setup they used.

fill out your info so we can see where you are and lets see who is close. also, have you tried everything on a different rifle?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dogmessiah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sounds to me as thought the holes for the bases are drilled off center. One thing you can try is taking one of the weaver bases and flipping them around. Have you played around with the bases at all? How much internal adjustment does your scope have? </div></div>

Damn I din't even think that he was using 2pc bases. I think he should tell us EXACTLY what he has on the gun so we can be more specific as well. He said he sent the gun to Savage with the scope on it though. It gets a little confusing to try and figure out what he's changed at different times of trying things.
 
#9
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MAL - I'm sorry to hear about your rifle, I've had very similar problems with Savage in the very recent past with two MkII TR 22lr rifles.
Both of my rifle shot over 6in left after dialing all the right windage possible into my scope. These, like yours were brand new rifles so I didn't feel like I needed to be the one to make them right by sending them to a gunsmith. I could have fixed one of them by adding a one piece base that I could "just" get the screws in, the other was way off. Long story short, I sent them both back to Savage, they received both rifles on 13Sept2010, I got one of them back on 15Oct2010, I'm still waiting on the other which according to Savage required a complete replacement. I marked both the receivers and barrels prior to sending them back to so I have a good idea what they did to fix the first one, I'll know about the second once I get it back. Yes the customer service is very nice to speak with on the phone, and they do return phone calls, but the amount of time to fix a problem in my view is unsat. I recommend (my .02) that if by being nice and trying to work this out by being polite and respectful doesn't work, change your tactics. These are the first Savages rifles I've ever purchased, I've always been an Anschutz/Remington kind of guy, I see no reason to change that after this experience, live and learn I guess.
 
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hey axe it is me I had to reformate my comp and lost your info i am still messing with the same rifle as before
i have used
badger one pc base
talley one pc base
warne one pc base
burris xtr rings, warne rings, and a cheap set of weaver rings
the xtr scopes had 72clicks of adjustment 1/4 each click
the 3200 i believe is the same
as i have said before here is no left adjustment left to move teh recticle over anymore on any scope we try
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey axe it is me I had to reformate my comp and lost your info i am still messing with the same rifle as before
i have used
badger one pc base
talley one pc base
warne one pc base
burris xtr rings, warne rings, and a cheap set of weaver rings
the xtr scopes had 72clicks of adjustment 1/4 each click
the 3200 i believe is the same
as i have said before here is no left adjustment left to move teh recticle over anymore on any scope we try </div></div>

After reading what the other guy said about the holes not matching up, have you put your gun next to another Savage and measured the holes on top of the receiver for the base? This could be the problem. I find it pretty crazy that all 3 one piece bases fit on it but they could I guess.
 
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i was hoping there werent two of them out there like this. man, lets get someone close to you to look at that thing. i wish you were close to one of the smiths so he could give it a second opinion. with the correct tools you could take some measurements.

where are you located?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i was hoping there werent two of them out there like this. man, lets get someone close to you to look at that thing. i wish you were close to one of the smiths so he could give it a second opinion. with the correct tools you could take some measurements.

where are you located? </div></div>

He filled his profile out now. It says Memphis TN.
 
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what i dont understand is why savage cant figure out it is the holes thats what we think
they keep saying it is shooting to there specs
they send me targets that look good then we go shoot the gun and it shoots 6in to the right
the only variable that hasnt been changed is the range lol
literly 5 scopes, 3 people, 5 bases and 5 sets of ring has been on this gun in memphis and it shoots 6in to the right,
yet at savage they say it shoots fine i just dont understand

there realy isnt a good gunsmith around memphis that i know of plus savage still has the rifle right now
 
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they say they are specs
only thing i can think of is they are using a leo mk4 with 100moa adj on windage
and the burris is only 30moa i think
but most scopes are only between 25-50 anyhow
but we have tired 3200 bushnell and leo vx3 also
 
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Hmm, I don't see it being spec and needing to require a scope with 100moa adj. I use a Monarch, It's only got 20MOA max adjustments and I'm nowhere near maxed out on my windage.
 
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How much adjustment is in their scope, vs how much adjutment is in yours??

Obviously you have a "line up" problem. Either the barrel or the monuts are not lined up.

For your own satsifaction pay a gunsmith $50 to check it out. If it is screwed up then just get rid of it and go to the next one.
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Hopefully there is a typo in your first post. Because you said you had $2500 in a Savage?? I certainly hope not!! If so then you did not get much of a deal. Tom.
 
#19
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Mal,

Pull the barreled action from the stock and look for signs of improper fit... like barrel channel and recoil lug/receiver surfaces.

Ya never know
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I would suggest checking the holes from the factory. I bought a Savage 10 PC about three weeks ago and tried to put the 6/48 screws into the reciever to put my scope base on and only one actually fit. I had to take it in and have it re-tapped at a gunsmith (Savage paid for it). The gunsmith said that the dye had to be dull that they were drilling with and forced in there collapsing some of the threads. Don't know if this has any effect on yours but if they aren't watching the quality of the threads there could be other things overlooked as well. I am not downing the Savage brand here just upset about jacked up screw job.
 
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Go to the Savage facebook page, air your grievance there.
Once the converation starts, someone might be be worried about the bad press and take care of you.

Buy a 3 foot section of 1" wooden dowel, I know it isn't perfectly straight, but remove your scope, set the dowel in the rings with as much of the dowel on the barrel end as possible, see where the dowel points. You'll need to stand over the rifle to try to remove as much parallax error as possible. If it isn't lined up over your barrel, it is most likley that the holes are not aligned correctly.

Not only would that make it tough to zero, it is very hard on the scope.

What savage is probably doing is using a laser bore sighter to align the rifle with the target, then shooting 3 rounds.
 
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my scope has 30moa theirs maybe 75moa they are using some kind of leupo mk4 not sure which one
i guess i will just have to bite the bullet on this gun savage is being now help now
I hate to sell this gun knowing what i know but i paid 1200.00 for it and need to get some money back
the 2500 was scope rings bases and rifle total
I will try the facebook site maybe that will work
I realy think it is the screw holes but as long as their scope works they wont fix it
 
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do the dowel thing, do the facebook thing. dude, i paid $900 for a 10fcp in an HS stock. what the heck did you get for $1200? worst case, have the holes retapped for 8/40 and get the base opened up and you will be good to go. id bet they were using the laser bore sighter as well. hang in there man, most peoples are good shooters, yours will be too.

LAND SURVEYOR-- i had issues with the holes in mine being gunked up with whatever they use to coat the rifle with. i had to pull the barrel and run a tap thru to clean the threads out. surely they could put 4 screws in those holes so i woudlnt have to clean up their mess
 
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Just having holes opened up and cleaned to 8-40's won't fix the issue if the 'smith drills the holes with a drill. The drill is just going to follow the pilot that's already there and you'll have bigger screws in the wrong spot.

Do the dowel thing and if you find that to be the issue send the rifle to a 'smith that can mill the hole back into the right position and then thread for 8-40's.

Send the bill to Savage.
 
#25
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You could try the Burris rings and mounts that have the Delrin inserts that can add up to 20 moa elevation or windage depending upon how you insert them. Other tactical rings...I believe USO but maybe others, have windage adjustment capability. JMHO
 
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I can't believe all you guys have had these problems. I know they aren't huge problems but I can't believe it's taken this long for so many people to come out and say this at one time. I got mine about a year ago without any problems. I didn't know Savage had these little problems this often. I'm also wondering what you got for $1200 MAL...
 
#27
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i got a 10fcp with mcmillan stock with is 200.00 more than the hs precision one
like I said savage still has the gun and is going to be sending it back to me shortly
I will try the dowel rode when i get it

There are just not many good smiths here in memphis to use I guess i could send it off and have someone look at it
just hate so spend more money on it
thanks all
 
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I had this happen on one of my savage's. Sent it back they changed the barrel and all was good.

Now I had another action I bent because I'm a idiot. This caused the holes on the top of action to not line up. I sent that gun to Fred a SSS and he fixed it along with a true and time for 125 bucks.

I'd call him and see when he could take a look at it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mill the hole back into the right position and then thread for 8-40's.

Send the bill to Savage. </div></div>

thats what i was thinking, just not what i said

stick with it man. it will work out. if not, send it to Jim at northland. call him and talk to him and see what he suggests. he is known at savage as he buys his receivers from them. you could just send the barreled action, but protect the trigger. it needs an eval from a machinist. see if WN roscoe will do it. there are a few good smiths on here that will help you out and not charge you an arm and leg.

oh yeah, thats still not much of a deal they give you on that savage, the mcm version here was only $1100 my cost from a dealer
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
oh yeah, thats still not much of a deal they give you on that savage, the mcm version here was only $1100 my cost from a dealer </div></div>

I didn't wanna be the guy to say it and bring him down even more! At least it was only by $100, I know I've been suckered for more than that before. I'm sure we all have at one point or another.
 
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i wasnt trying to kick him while he is down. just saying the store and savage are not really giving anything but grief at this time. i would head straight to facebook and make my case.

after the dowel, or anything with a 1" OD he will be able to see whats going on. and having a smith document the holes will help his case with savage
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i would head straight to facebook and make my case.
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Holy schnikey's....this has to be a sign of the apocalypse!!!


OP: just pay a good smith to rebore and thread your holes in line to 8-32's put the badger base on and go shooting. Chalk it up to experience.

Most manufacturers have let receivers go out the door with misaligned mounting holes, and switching to 8-32 is something any good riflesmith has had to do once or twice to rectify this exact problem.

Might not be the "right' answer, but it will get you shooting.

If not good luck with Savage, they should make it right...
 
#35
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I know AXE, You said it better than I could have that's why I didn't say it. It sucks that he would need to resort to going facebook of all things but at this point if it is something as easy to fix as the mounting holes and Savage hasn't fixed it after the first 2 times of checking it out, then that might be the only thing left to try. If you add up the time spent looking at it, Savage has probably spent more money denying it's their fault then they would have to just fix it.

MAL, if it still isn't fixed when it comes back, try to get your hands on a scope with more windage adjustment. That will tell you for sure that the mounting holes are off.
 
#36
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sober, i hate to say it, really i do. i went round and round with bushnell and got nothing but attitude. i worked alot of years in call centers, i was nice, i know how to work it. still nothing. my issue was that i had just bought a new scope that was not meeting advertised elevation. it was broken out of the box. had i used it and broken it, i would have paid shipping to them. with in a day of my post on facebook, i had a call ticket on the way, the head or tech/customer service direct number and was able to trade out my mil/moa for a mil/mil that went thru the repair shop for diagnosis before getting to me. its working like a champ. sucks to do it, but its a new tool. may as well make use of it.

but i agree, at this point, send it to a good smith like Jim at northland that handles alot of savage stuff. let him see whats wrong and document it. savage knows jim. they will take his word over someone they dont know.

http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/board,64.0.html

call and ask him what he would charge
 
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