Rifle Scopes Scar 17s optic

Barker007

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I recently bought a Scar 17s and am interested in getting into long range shooting (600-1000+ yards). I'm looking for a top rated optic, and have been looking specifically at the Nightforce Beast and Leopold Mark 8. The Nightforce is heavier, but highly rated. The Mark 8 is very pricey, but I like the fact that it's made in America. So I'm just looking for any advice, opinions, experience, other options, etc. I also just got my Yankee Hill suppressor, but haven't shot with it yet. Being that I'm new to suppressor shooting, I'm wondering how it will affect accuracy at long range, etc.
Thanks for any and all information.
 
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Welcome to the Hide Barker. Interesting choices, and I say that because while the SCAR 17s is fairly accurate, they're not necessarily a long range gun. The reason is with a 16" semi auto, you're really not going to be able to push the .308 fast enough to stay out of the transonic region all the way to 1k, and definitely not beyond. Since you're new to LR shooting, when you hit the transonic region is when the rounds begin destabilizing and your accuracy goes to shit. Maybe with some good 155gr Scenar rounds with a high density altitude could, but certainly not with the heavies. Where are you and what altitudes will you be commonly shooting at? I'm not criticizing, just being realistic what the barrel limitations bring. Now if you're ever able to come up with the 20" barrel (still vaporware at this time) you might have a different story, but not until then.

The SCAR is a lightweight "battle rifle" and it performs very well in that accord. I think you might be better off dialing back the long range expectations and keep it medium range. Like 800yds and in. What that means is you can look at some different mid range optics that will save you money (to buy more ammo), and will also give you the opportunity to go with a lighter optic that is still a top performer and can dial down more on the bottom end to open up your field of view when shooting close range.

Starting off, I would be looking at the Nightforce F1 3-15x. Weight with mount would be running in the 2 1/2 lb region and would get you all the way out to 1k still when you want to shoot the long distances. The Leupold Mark 6 3-18x is another ideal optic for that rifle saving you even more weight. Both still Made in America to boot, durable and backed by great companies. I would recommend the Vortex Razor II 3-18, but 3 1/2 lbs+ of of optic/mount on top of a 8 lb rifle can be awkward and unbalanced. Your choice there.

Magnification doesn't get you out to the long ranges, turret travel does and all the optics I suggested would get a .308 out to 1k even without a canted base (would still run a 20moa though). Magnification only allows you to resolve and identify the target easier, but most of us are staying under 20x even when pushing the long distances. The hotter it is out, the more you get the mirage effect that is amplified at high magnification. The sweet spot on many days is around 18x, some even less.

As for the suppressed shooting, just check it when you mount it up to ensure it's centered or you run the risk of a baffle strike. If at anytime you see your rounds striking the paper sideways (known as "key-holing"), immediately stop shooting because you're getting baffle strikes for sure. As for accuracy, every system is different. Look for a shift in POA/POI when changing from suppressed to unsuppressed, and it will like some types of ammo and hate others. That's where reloading comes into play for squeezing the real accuracy out of it.
 
If you want to get into LR shooting, get a bolt action rifle and learn how to shoot one correctly to begin with. Save your Scar for 600 yards or less and you'll be less frustrated! If the scar or any other semi-auto was accurate to 1000 yards, you wouldn't have snipers lugging around their 16-20 lb sniper's rifles.

You might find better information on your Scar's capabilities on the FN Forum! Good Luck. LR and ELR shooting is an entirely different endeavor.
 
I tried the LR game with my 17, but I just couldn't get comfortable behind the rifle for a consistent firing position. I couldn't get the right LOP, and when I did shoot with the buttstock fully extended, my natural POA wasn't there. The most frustrating thing of all is the angled cheek piece on the stock. Some of the aftermarket options/adapters might be worth investigating. Trying to maintain a consistent cheek weld just made me angry. That said, I was able to get out to 800 pretty successfully with 175's. I have since sold that rifle and I'm waiting on Mark at SAC for a 260. I had a leupold mark 4 on mine and it held up fine, but I was definitely left wanting more. Whether the rumors about 17's breaking optics are true or not, you definitely want something robust on top.
 
Thanks for the great info. Yea, I'm pretty new to this LR shooting. I'm from Central Oregon where the climate is dry and elevation in the 4000' range. Mostly desert shooting. I currently use Federal 168 grain Matchking BTHP Gold Medal Match. Would you recommend something different? I appreciate the 3 optic ideas. I will definitely check them out. So what do you know about the Scar 17's being hard on scopes? Do you know which manufacturer (Leopold or Nightforce) are built tougher/stronger?
What do you know about Swarovski scopes? Are they worth the bucks? Any better than the other two in question? What do you know about front focal? Is it something worth the extra bucks? I've never shot using a FF so don't know...
 
Okay, you already have the SCAR so let's work on how it can be best used. You're at a good elevation for some good bullet performance. 168gr SMK are damn good inside 600yds, 800yds at your elevations in the summer heat, but they really suck when they hit anywhere close to transonic (<1300fps). The 155gr Lapua Scenars and 175gr SMKs are much better in that arena, but of course typically cost more to shoot. Pushing the envelope to 1k with a SCAR can be done, but just stay realistic in the expectation that it is NOT intended to be a good performer at that distance.

Durability wise, Leupold Mark 6 or 8 along with Nightforce NXS are both solid scopes. If you do break them on top of your SCAR, don't worry because both companies stand behind their product 100% and will repair them. I would shoot with either on top of a SCAR without hesitation, even if I was going somewhere my life depended on it carrying that setup. The debate about recoil impulses being worse on a SCAR are subject to question and too often compared to either much lighter recoiling rifles (imagine that, a .308 recoils more than a 5.56) or are compared to same caliber in heavier rifles that will also of course absorb and lengthen recoil better (M14 DMR vs. SCAR-H). Whatever... Use quality optics and there will be no issues, use cheap optics and you'll have issues. Nightforce, Leupold, Vortex Razor, etc. are all quality optics.

Swarovski makes awesome scopes, but I'm not a fan of high magnification SFP scopes when I'm holding off for wind calls. I'd stick with a more "tactical" type scope in FFP for that purpose with a good mil or moa reticle.

Keep in mind too, the Nightforce 3-15x50 "F1" (FFP), BEAST and Compact models are all made in America as well, right next door to you in Idaho. Leupold isn't the only American made brand. Same goes with US Optics, Trijicon, and the new Steiner Tx5i series coming out who are all made in America.

If you want to get into the real distance shooting, get a .260REM or 6.5mm Creedmoor in bolt gun fashion and enjoy flatter shooting and less wind call errors. Keep the SCAR for mid range hammering and something easy to carry.