Rifle Scopes Schmidt or Hensoldt???

[reticrich]

Sup bruthers!!

I currently have a S&B on my Crusader now, PMII 3-12X50...

I want to switch to a mil/mil optic. Im torn between to optics, S&B PMII 3-20x50 or the Hensoldthe-16x56...

A good friend has the Hensoldt and is going to bring it by for me to check it out...but I still like the idea of a 50 mm objective rather a 56..I hunt with this beast and is big enough.

Just want to hear what others have to say..

Thanks

Rich

 

[One-Eyed Jack]

Re: Schmidt or Hesoldt???

The Hensoldt is so compact that I don't notice that it's a 56mm. I suggest that you try it out and see which one you like.

 

[head2h2o]

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I haven't noticed that much functional difference between the 50mm and 56mm objectives. I would not let that be my deciding factor.

 

[Rob01]

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S&B 3-20x50 is an optic that is definitely worth a look although it won't be out for a month or two.

 

[mrwiggins]

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i like the nh1 reticle, i'd go hensoldt, that 3-20 does look nice, but it's been pushed back like a year and a half so far

 

[matt33]

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I compared that Hensoldt scope to several S&B's when I was at EuroOptics several weeks ago. The Hensoldt's compact size is really nice. Optically, they are both as good as it gets. In the end, I went with S&B because I like their available reticle choices much more.

 

[bm11]

Re: Schmidt or Hesoldt???

I have owned, and currently do own, both a Hensoldt and a Schmidt and Bender.

I have agonized and gone back and forth on this again and again. At the end, all I can say, is really try to get behind both, and you really can't go wrong either. Both are truly fantastic optics, and the top of the heap.

-Bob

 

[brand692]

Re: Schmidt or Hesoldt???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: One-Eyed Jack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hensoldt is so compact that I don't notice that it's a 56mm. I suggest that you try it out and see which one you like. </div></div>

This is too true.

Both are great. It's going to be a matter of which YOU like better.

 

[reticrich]

Re: Schmidt or Hensoldt???

Thanks for the info guys...I guess I will have to flip a coin.

Its that Ford, Chevy argument again.

I looked at the specs and the Hensoldt seems to be a bit shorter and a tad lighter. BUT! I do like the 3-20 power variable.

 

[zink14]

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more like a BMW or Porsche argument....I have and use both, like both for different reasons, just figure out what is functionally important to you and go with it, you will not be sorry

 

[bm11]

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Ferrari/Lamborghini

The 3-20 isn't out yet. It was supposed to be August 2010. Then April. Now June or July.

Point being, if you need a scope SOON, might want to look at the other options, as there are no guarantees on the 3-20's delivery date.

 

[poison123]

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My opinion since I own all the above(minus the 20x SB of course)

If you need up to 16x go with the Henny NH1(hell even their mildot isn't that bad).

If you need up to 25x go with the SB.

This of course changes once a certain someone releases their 25x FFP scope.

 

[reticrich]

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Yeah Im just sitting here beating myself up

The 3-20 Schmidt is going to take a little bit to get..If I go with the Hens, I would get the NH1..THEEN!! I was thinking of going with the 5-25 Schmidt for $400 less then the Hens...All good choices I know..

 

[Rob01]

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Can't go wrong with the S&B 5-25x. Got two with my third on the way. I love that scope. Perfect scope in my opinion. Been using my original one for about 5 years now. Some say it's too long but the barrel is longer and I have never come into a situation where the length of the scope has been a problem.

 

[lw8]

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I might be the odd man out here...but you could always look at USO. You can configure it to your liking and the glass is on par with S&B based on the two S&B scopes that I have used.

 

[mouse07410]

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If you look up - it's S&B or Hensoldt. But if you look down a little - Vortex IMHO offers a great performance/price balance (and I love their CS

).

 

[jasonk]

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My vote goes to.....

 

[NOMAD]

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S&B has been the most reliable and quality optic I have ever used!!

Hands down I am beyond happy with the S&B and I highly recommend it!

 

[Dagsta]

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Jason you are one sick puppy!! lol

 

[stefan73]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My vote goes to.....

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ooooohhhhhhhhhh, scope porn!!!

 

[reticrich]

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HOLY CRAP!!!

 

[poison123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My vote goes to.....

</div></div>

Your a lucky bastard 2 of mine are at a friends at the moment.

 

[J-Ham]

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I realize this will only muddy the waters more, but have you considered a Premier... I've heard a lot of good things on them lately.

... sorry gents, I couldn't resist. I know it was obvious & childish, but someone had to do it.

I guess I should give you my actual thoughts on the topic. I prefer my Hensoldt to the S&B I ran when I was working for Uncle Sam. It's a surprisingly compact scope for having that huge 56 on the end (I would probably prefer a 50, but it mounts just fine with a 20 MOA rail & Seekins Lows). It gives me everything I need & nothing that I don't (except the illumination, which I honestly rarely use). I do wish it was more of a Gen 2 mildot with hashes at the half-mils, but boo hoo, right?

Fortunately for you, you can't go wrong either way. I'd say find the reticle you like the best & go with that.

 

[jasonk]

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In full disclosure I don't have the 3-12s anymore, I'm a magnification whore and decided I wanted 4-16s. Then I got an AI fetish....

I just need to take up something like needlepoint, it's got to be cheaper.

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

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jasonk, How did you get the sporting goods store to let you take pictures of all those scopes.....LOL......LOL.....

 

[reticrich]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I realize this will only muddy the waters more, but have you considered a Premier... I've heard a lot of good things on them lately.

... sorry gents, I couldn't resist. I know it was obvious & childish, but someone had to do it.</div></div>

Funny you mention that...The Schmidts seem to be hard to come by..If I go with the Hens, I would get the NH1 ret for $3600..

The Premier with the gen 2 XR is $2900, And I like how beefy and Tacticool it looks.

The end result of all this kaos is...They are all good glass. If I can save a bit and still get a good piece of glass I will do so..Gives me some cash for a class im interested in taking

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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my vote goes to s&b with h2cmr reticle i absolutely love mine

 

[jasonk]

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^^^^^ Look how long that thing is, it won't even fit in the frame of the picture! The Hensoldt is a much more compact package!!

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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[TEAMSENDIT]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^^ Look how long that thing is, it won't even fit in the frame of the picture! The Hensoldt is a much more compact package!!

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at 6'6" tall i don't really give a shit about a compact package, i appreciate the higher mag for spotting, more reticle subtensions for exact hold offs, and parralax that focuses down to 10yds. oh yeah and the few extra hundred dollar bills i still have in my wallet!!!

 

[jasonk]

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Just cause you're not compact doesn't mean your rifle can't be.

 

[spot69221]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^^ Look how long that thing is, it won't even fit in the frame of the picture! The Hensoldt is a much more compact package!!

</div></div>

That's what she said,

+1 on the 5-25 SuB

 

[J-Ham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: spot69221</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^^ Look how long that thing is, it won't even fit in the frame of the picture!</div></div>
That's what she said,</div></div>
Nice one, I can't believe I missed that one!

 

[wdebo]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have owned, and currently do own, both a Hensoldt and a Schmidt and Bender.

I have agonized and gone back and forth on this again and again. At the end, all I can say, is really try to get behind both, and you really can't go wrong either. Both are truly fantastic optics, and the top of the heap.

-Bob

</div></div>
I think the mag range of the 3-20 S&B seem ideal.

I see this comment a lot about trying out different scopes and other gear. Where I live this is not a option. MY brother in law just got a US optics FFP. Only FFP plane scope in my area. Him and I are the only ones with NF scopes in our area most don't even know they exist.

These treads and everyone opinion helps me a lot in my decision making. I am looking at the 2 scopes mentioned in this thread plus a Vortex Razor HD. what suck is I cant try these scope let alone handle them. So I will follow these thread and make my decision.. The Suppressors that Hide members recommended worked out great. Bought them sight unseen and they are great... I know this is kinda of off topic so my apologies.

 

[Scott300RUM]

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+1 for the Razor. I just got mine and love it. You get all the bells and whistles in a solid piece of equipment for a fraction of the price compared to the others. And their CS absolutely can't be beat!!! But when you're getting into these high end scopes it's all about what options and reticle you want. You'll be happy with the quality of any of them.

Good Luck,
Scott

 

[Rob01]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^^ Look how long that thing is, it won't even fit in the frame of the picture! The Hensoldt is a much more compact package!!

</div></div>

Again, never had a problem with scope length at the many matches I have shot over the past years and as long as it's not hanging over the muzzle it's not going to be.

I would rather have a zero stop and excellent reticle choices than a small compact package. Actually I have never had my package described as compact but Jason you can have yours described that way if you like

 

[reticrich]

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Thanks for all the replys and info...

Im actually leaning towards the Premier Heritage 3-15..I favor the Schmidt over the Hens, but there is no telling when I will be able to get one...and to be honest, I don't like to wait if I don't have to..Premier, Hens, and Shmidt, all good optics

 

[mdmp5]

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No need for a zero stop with a hensoldt. I just wish there were more reticle options. Otherwise, I am satisfied with both of mine.

 

[reticrich]

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Well I know there's alot of heat on ATI and Premier but it doesn't change the quality of the Optic...so I purchased one today..BUT! I will buy the Schmit 3+20 when it becomes available.

Again! Thanks so much for everyones help

 

[poison123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: reticrich</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I know there's alot of heat on ATI and Premier but it doesn't change the quality of the Optic...so I purchased one today..BUT! I will buy the Schmit 3+20 when it becomes available.

Again! Thanks so much for everyones help </div></div>

I'm not going to go into the PH fiasco....but did you search the site on here? More than a few issues with PH.....like weak tubes, internals that freeze, parralax knobs that spin and don't adjust.

I've personally seen two of the above.

 

[reticrich]

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Well im not surprised that mechanical items have issues...I've seen plenty of Hi quality firearms have problems, but people still keep using and depending on them. There is always room for failure. No one company or product is perfect


The only way I would of purchased the Hens is with the NH1 retical...that unit is $800 more then the Premier...thats alot of money..And I wont argue that the Hens is better then the Premier, im sure it is in alot of ways. It should be. Like I said. Im set on the Schmit 3-20 and I will own one. I love the 3-12 pmii I have now.

Ill just hope I have one of the good Premiers with no issues

 

[BCP]

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He's in Hollywood, FL his scope will rust before it freezes.

I bet you'll be happy with it and I hope you got a good deal on it.

 

[reticrich]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He's in Hollywood, FL his scope will rust before it freezes.

I bet you'll be happy with it and I hope you got a good deal on it.</div></div>


LOL..Ill melt from the heat before anything rusts or freezes

Thanks bruther...Just mounted it and going to shoot later on

 

[sobrbiker883]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would rather have a zero stop and excellent reticle choices than a small compact package. </div></div>

Agreed!

Then there's US Optics.....
Getting behind a USO, S&B, Hensoldt and NF all at the same power on a hazy day last fall saved me a lot of money. I saw nothing that makes me want to switch.

 

[Rob01]

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I saw some pretty important things that made me switch <span style="font-weight: bold">from</span> USO. Glass isn't the most important thing in a scope.

 

[sobrbiker883]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Glass isn't the most important thing in a scope. </div></div>

Preaching to the choir on that point. I was more referring to eye relief, eye box and FOV.

They're all great scopes, the USO just fits my needs best so far.

 

[ut755ln]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Glass isn't the most important thing in a scope. </div></div>

Preaching to the choir on that point. I was more referring to eye relief, eye box and FOV.

They're all great scopes, the USO just fits my needs best so far. </div></div>I really like the USO the best as well.

 

[sickeness]

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Why is it that every scope thread that does not mention USO becomes plagued with random USO fanboys?

I tried the USO koolaid and was thoroughly unimpressed.
Other than the repeat QC issues, there is no way that a USO is on par with an S&B or Hensoldt. Every comparison review ever made with USO and S&B scopes side by side has found the USO lacking in comparison. Just look up Ilya's recent scope review or the Houston area scope comparison thread from 2 years ago.

 

[Guest]

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The Problem with a objective scope test, is the fact there is no such animal. Everything fails at some point in time, even NASA.
When it come to glass around here, it's best to wear plugs an muffs plus raise the pant legs above the knees. This place has had more pissing contests over glass than anything else, save the air-softers. Just because Uncle uses XXX means nothing to those that know, the rest would have a Counter-Sniper if our tax money was spent on such.

FYI, a bud from Fla called yesterday, was having issue with getting hit's on a queen size bed sheet at 800yds. The issue was S&B not TRG-42, shooter or ammo, verified by a Bushnell. So that begs the question, is a Bushnell better than a S&B,...that day they were.

 

[poison123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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FYI, a bud from Fla called yesterday, was having issue with getting hit's on a queen size bed sheet at 800yds. The issue was S&B not TRG-42, shooter or ammo, verified by a Bushnell. So that begs the question, is a Bushnell better than a S&B,...that day they were. </div></div>

Care to tell us what the exact issue was then?