Rifle Scopes Schmidt question

[NET65]

Quick question, whats the difference between a PM II 5-25-56 LP P4F and a PM II 5-25-56 LM P4F? Looking in the european market and the LM is cheaper, but I don't know what it stands for.

 

[Varmintpro]

Re: Schmidt question

LP is for the Lit Reticle... Not sure what LM stands for.

 

[Jerry R]

Re: Schmidt question

Actually, LP is a designation of both illumination and parallax. There are PM II models which are just P which are parallax adjustment only, no illumination. I had a 3-12x50 PMII P P4F single turn but have since parted with it. And yes, still kick myself for it.

No idea what LM is.

 

[Rob01]

Re: Schmidt question

I have the LM question in to S&B and will hopefully get you an answer unless someone else gets it first.

 

[NET65]

Re: Schmidt question

Here's a link to a site that has both, there a big difference in price. It says they're both illuminated.

http://www.versandhaus-schneider.de

 

[NET65]

Re: Schmidt question

In case you couldn't navigate through the German website, heres a copy and paste of some of the scopes. Notice the price difference between the LP and LM models, every other option appears to be the same.


ALB18962 Schmidt Bender Riflescope 4-16x42 PM II LM single-turn lights 2199.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

ALB18962-DT-MOA Schmidt Bender Riflescope 4-16x42 PM II LM Double Turn 1 / 4 MOA illuminated 2399.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

ALB18982 Schmidt Bender Riflescope 4-16x50 PM II LM single-turn lights 2159.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

ALB18982-DT-MOA Schmidt Bender Riflescope 4-16x50 PM LM II Double Turn 1 / 4 MOA illuminated 2499.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

ALB18993-DT-CM Schmidt Bender Riflescope 5-25x56 PM II LP Turn 1 cm illuminated double 2339.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

ALB18993-DT-MOA Schmidt Bender Riflescope 5-25x56 PM II LP Double Turn 1 / 4 MOA furniture. 1.BE 2339.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

ALB18997-DT-CM Schmidt Bender 5-25x56 PM II telescopic sight LM Double Turn 1 cm 2.Ebene 2629.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

ALB18997-DT-MOA Schmidt Bender 5-25x56 PM II telescopic sight LM Double Turn 1 / 4 MOA 2.Ebene 2629.95 EUR
including 19% VAT
plus shipping costs

 

[abersfelderami]

Re: Schmidt question

The difference is MTC. LM stands for Leicht Metall.

 

[abersfelderami]

Re: Schmidt question

5 - 25 x 56 PM II/LP/MTC/LT the newest model:
LP- side parallax, lighted reticle
MTC- more tactile
LT- locking turrets

5 - 25x56 PM II/LP no MTC, no locking turrets

5 - 25x56 PM II/LP/MTC, no locking turrets

1.bildebene - FFP
2.bildebene - SFP

 

[Rob01]

Re: Schmidt question

Here is the answer I got from my contact at S&B on the LM subject. Appears that the LM is a non-illuminated scope designator in Europe so that is why it is probably cheaper than the LP version which is illuminated. Here's the email I received back which pretty much explains it:

"In regard to the LM issue, I found out that in Germany they have a special designation which we do not use here in the US.

LM stands for Light Metal - and it actually came from the fact that we used to make steel tubes and then switched to Aluminum or light metal. LM stands for a scope without a built-in rail system, also something we don't use here in the USA. LM-S designates a scope with a built in rail attached to the bottom of the scope which I guess is part of the mounting system. I personally have not seen this before. So LM is just a plain scope without a rail.

The reason the LM would have been cheaper than an LM-S is because it does not have a rail. You can kind of see the rail in these pictures."