I have a short barreled (20”) 300 win mag build underway and I’m looking to shoot it pretty much exclusively suppressed. I do not know what type Supressor I want although I’m leaning tbac from my reseach. Silencerco had a good deal with getting a pistol suppressor for free if I get a harvester and I’ve seen some good stuff from. I think I want direct mount but would like some advice on what people are shooting on precision rifle platforms
School me on suppressors
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You're going to get a lot of different answers on such an open ended question.
My advice is DON'T try to do everything with one suppressor. One suppressor may do multiple things well but not do any excellently.
The good news is that a great 300 WM suppressor isn't hard to find. Almost like picking a riflescope, you need to pic out your most important features and select the can the best suits your needs. You should consider size, weight, mounting type, durability, and price. Thunderbeast is going to come highly recommended and they are a great company. Also many great cans out there from Dead Air, Rugged, KGM, Able, CGS, etc.
My advice is DON'T try to do everything with one suppressor. One suppressor may do multiple things well but not do any excellently.
The good news is that a great 300 WM suppressor isn't hard to find. Almost like picking a riflescope, you need to pic out your most important features and select the can the best suits your needs. You should consider size, weight, mounting type, durability, and price. Thunderbeast is going to come highly recommended and they are a great company. Also many great cans out there from Dead Air, Rugged, KGM, Able, CGS, etc.
CGS Hyperion
Dead Air Nomad LT
These 2 are the quietest .30 cans currently made. The CGS is better at the ear, Nomad is better at the muzzle.
If those are too long for your purposes I'd suggest taking a look at:
CGS Helios QD Ti
Dead Air Nomad
KGM R30
I doubt you'd notice any difference in groups from a cgs Hyperion and a tbac ultra 9. The Nomad doesn't have a symmetrical blast baffle and it's effect on accuracy is unknown to me. I've seen some report that it's not as accurate. I don't hand load but my nomads have shot .5-.75 consistently between a few hosts. Once my stamps clear on some other suppressors I plan on doing some back to back accuracy testing.
Small sample size but here is a test from
Tbac and cgs performed essential the same but the cgs makes the quietest suppressor to the ear for a 30 cal. So while I doubt you'd see any accuracy difference between them you would absolutely notice the sound level difference.
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I recommended the 338 Ultra primary due to the port pressures that rifle will be making with such a short barrel, especially if he runs and wants to hot rod heavies. The 338 would be the best overall choice as he’d give very little up in terms of suppression
Just another option, do a form 1 and build it yourself. There are many companies offering quality parts that are readily available. And right now the wait time is averaging 3-4 weeks. I was new to suppressors and my first build was for my 300 BO. I am thrilled with how it turned out!
This would also be my 100% suggestion. Check out SilencerStudents Patreon and he will walk you through building exactly what you want with video testing showing db performance on a number of hosts. No compromising and basically no wait
If you want the most advanced (design and manufacturing process) and quietest suppressor available get the cgs. If you want shorter you can get the Hyperion K or Helios QD Ti. The helios sits between the K and full size Hyperion as far as sound. The helios qd is more versatile. They are dmls 3d printed, it's baffles are then coated in S line to help with ti sparking and carbon build up. Their designs and dmls have proven to hold up better vs other ti suppressors. CGS baffle design is even more efficient than more traditional designs when pressure is increased. Meaning the performance gap between suppressors would be even more noticeable on your 20" 300wm vs a 20" 308.
The omega is old tech. It's not bad but it's definitely not as good as other options available. Their deal is good and I took advantage of it last time but if I could do it over again I'd rather have paid a bit more for 2 different suppressors.
People here love tbac but it's old stuff that as far as sound is concerned is outperformed by competitors. They have a great reputation for accuracy but the cgs has shown to be equally excellent. I doubt you'd notice a difference either way as far as groups. You would notice the sound difference.
Buy whatever floats your boat. If there's a certain brand you like or a certain deal you want go for it. I will tell you that if I had the opportunity to restart my silencer collection I absolutely would. In the long run saving a couple hundred dollars isn't worth it imo. I'd rather have superior products.
I put my 30-06 (since re-barreled to 280AI) in the safe after hunting season. I used my TBAC Ultra 9 on it. I then shot 1000+ rounds through the Ultra 9 with my .308 (now a 6.5 cm), as well as a few hundred AR-15 rounds.
After almost a year, I pulled the 30-06 out of the safe, screwed the Ultra 9 back on and the zero was EXACTLY where it was when I parked it. No change at all, over 1200 rnds through the Ultra and one year later. The can was heavier though, as I weigh it periodically to know when to clean it.
I have to say this really exceeded what I thought was any reason expectation.
After almost a year, I pulled the 30-06 out of the safe, screwed the Ultra 9 back on and the zero was EXACTLY where it was when I parked it. No change at all, over 1200 rnds through the Ultra and one year later. The can was heavier though, as I weigh it periodically to know when to clean it.
I have to say this really exceeded what I thought was any reason expectation.
The Gen1 Ultras were introduced in 2015 and had a run for like 5 years, during which time the Ultra 9 was the quietest 9" can, or amongst the quietest (towards the end of that period). We revised them in November 2020 (a year ago) to squeeze out more dB's and more ounces. These are 1.5" diameter format cans. I don't think you can find a 1.5x7" or 1.5x9" suppressor quieter than the Ultra 7 and 9 Gen2 respectively, and everyone who wants a small format can will get the best performance from one of these.
Anyway, during that time, we always pointed people at the 338 Ultra as the quietest option.. which is a 1.8" diameter can. Given a similar level of baffle refinement, you can't argue with volume ("No replacement for displacement.") Ray just posted the "Large OD 30 cal suppressor" a couple months ago. Compared to the Ultra 9 Gen2, these had like about 28% to maybe 43% more volume. So it proves that a large diameter format can "can" be quieter than a smaller diameter one of the same length. Not a big shocker to anyone.
Last year when I was looking at cans on my guns, I saw the 7" Dominus-SR and the 11-inch 338 Ultra SR (both of which are 1.8 diameter format) and it was pretty obvious that there was a slot in the middle that could be filled. Let's just say that we aren't worried about lacking a fat format 9" can that gives best in class performance..
The 1.5" Ultra Gen2's aren't going anywhere. We had time in 2021 to do R&D to fill some slots in our lineup and you'll be pleased with what we bring to SHOT (and one of them should be pretty unexpected)
Ahh ok, I got what new products you had coming out mixed up. My bad. Beside that it doesn't really change much of what I said. From your current line up the ultra baffle design isn't anything ground breakingly new and it's louder than competitors. Which is in part due to new designs and larger od. As you stated your own testing shows this.
However if someone requires or wants a 1.5 od or needs/wants 2-4 oz less than some other companies Ti offerings you guys have the best option. Your track record in prs is another consideration on top of that. I wasn't really trying to put down your product more so just saying if you want a more advanced design or quieter 7-9" silencer they exist. That is what personally attracts me and what I would do.
But hell Joe's 20 year old omega baffle in the SiCo Omega 300 at 1.56" and 6" (flat cap) is still performing great for its size. So I look forward to innovation and the unveiling of your new products. I'm hoping the new testing, r&d capabilities, design, etc launches the industry forward. When you have decades old tech still being relevant, I feel like things were pretty stagnant for a bit. Looks like quiet a few companies are releasing and or testing new prototypes atm so it's looking good for consumers.
You sound as if the suppressor is a completely different animal than it was 100 years ago... While substantial advances have happened in materials and design, the basic function is still the same. Where you went too far was to single out the leading manufacturer of precision rifle suppressors and called them outdated. We all love new and exciting products but until my supersonic loads sound as good as subsonics, the wheel hasn't been reinvented.
You stated that our designs were outdated and because of that we were replacing all our cans next year. Totally false. You made that up.
It's also pretty disingenuous to say that you're not "really trying to put down" our products, since you continue to do so, using logic that I believe is misleading if not outright fallacy. The Gen2 Ultras (the 5, 7, and 9) are the quietest 1.5" tube cans, inch for inch, of anything out there. I don't think that squares with statements like [it] "isn't anything ground breakingly new" and not a "more advanced design".
If two cans had equivalent technology-level baffle designs and one was 30% bigger, one would reasonably expect the bigger one to be quieter. If two cans are the same volume and one is quieter, then it is reasonable to conclude that the quieter one is "better" or "has a more advanced baffle design."
Thanks for help guys. I ended up with the cgs Hyperion k. I didn’t need the absolute quietest thing I could buy and it was the best combo of length and reduction and I’ve been told the tapered mount makes it excellent for precision shooting.
I wasn't trying to single you guys out, it just do happened to be that your brand along with Silencerco was mentioned by the ts.
Again apologies for misreading a post from you, Ray or Kurtis somewhere. I thought I read something suggesting ultra was going larger od at shot 22. It was a stupid offhand comment and I should have confirmed it or not made it. The comment was more for the ts to look at what you have coming out soon as it may be better or more attractive than a current offering. I will stick by my outdated statement and it was also pointed at a lot of other companies as well. I tried clarifying that in the last post. You're free to disagree, it's my opinion.
I don't see why you think it's meaningful that you have the quietest 1.5" while the industry moves forward with larger od, routing gas to an outer annulus, etc. Regardless my point is that length for length quieter suppressors exist which your own testing shows.
As to your last sentence, the Dominus data is going to be coming out from pewscience so we shall see.
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I didn't single them out. TS listed 3 names and 2 of them I commented on saying old/outdated/louder.
As to the supers/subs in pewscience testing we have seen that a Hyperion on a 22" 6.5 creedmoor is quieter at the ear than a Q half Nelson/Vox s wiped/RC2 762/oss hx 762 on a Q mini fix with 300 blk subs.
Anyway I don't care what anyone buys. Certain suppressors are clearly quiter and imo are more advanced. Just to clarify as well I never called tbac or silencerco bad. I just think there are better suppressors available.
I've got the Hyperion K and it sounds good on short action cartridges (308, 6.5CM, 6CM), I haven't tried it on a magnum of any kind yet... Its rated for magnums so now I'm going to have to go see.
