Scientific reasons for waiting to get the COVID vaccine

[PatMiles]

Scientific reasons for waiting to get the COVID vaccine

I voted for Donald Trump twice, but that has nothing to do with my hesitancy to get the vaccine. I'm a Christian, and that has nothing to do with it, either. Even the fact that I had COVID and should be immune doesn'...

www.americanthinker.com

A damn good read with an interesting main point!


By Pandra Selivanov

I voted for Donald Trump twice, but that has nothing to do with my hesitancy to get the vaccine. I'm a Christian, and that has nothing to do with it, either. Even the fact that I had COVID and should be immune doesn't matter to me. My reason is based on science and science alone. It's still an experimental vaccine; it doesn't have FDA approval; and although mRNA vaccines have been studied for years, they were not used before.

My biggest fear of the vaccine is that I can't get any information about why mRNA vaccines were not used before COVID. I can Google plenty of information about how wonderful the vaccine is, but I can't find anything at all about why mRNA vaccines were not approved for human trials before.
There is a lot of invective directed at people who are hesitant about getting the vaccine. I have been called a murderer for being hesitant, and I have been accused of refusing to get the vaccine because of my political leanings. I've also been called a religious fanatic. I don't think asking about the science of mRNA vaccination means that I am a Jesus freak, a Trumpanzee, or a serial killer. When I am called these names, it doesn't make me think I should agree with the name-callers and run out to get the vaccine. It makes me think that if I am being treated hatefully for asking scientific questions, there must be something wrong with the science of the vaccine.
Is mRNA unstable and likely to cause unwanted side-effects? Does it create an unacceptably strong immune response? Was it some technical problem, like delivery system problems, that caused mRNA vaccines to be restricted? I'm not opposed to getting the vaccine if I have reason to believe that it is safe and will not harm my health in some unforeseen fashion.

Since I can't get any information at this time on these points, I will wait until FDA approval of the vaccine. I'm not interested in adding to the pool of subjects that has been created by the millions who have rushed to get the vaccine. There are enough people who have been vaccinated under emergency approval protocols. They don't need me to swell their ranks, nor do I need to risk my health with an experimental vaccine. I prefer to wait until there are enough long-term data to scientifically show that the vaccine is safe.

 

[Baron23]

In my state of Maryland, all COVID deaths in June of 2021....ALL COVID deaths in this state....were unvaccinated people.

People should do exactly as they wish....and it is a self-correcting situation....I'm a believer in Darwinism.

Cheers

 

[FS1]

In my state of Maryland, all COVID deaths in June of 2021....ALL COVID deaths in this state....were unvaccinated people.

People should do exactly as they wish....and it is a self-correcting situation....I'm a believer in Darwinism.

Cheers

I trust Darwin more than Govt reported COVID numbers.

 

[MarshallDodge]

In my state of Maryland, all COVID deaths in June of 2021....ALL COVID deaths in this state....were unvaccinated people.

People should do exactly as they wish....and it is a self-correcting situation....I'm a believer in Darwinism.

Cheers

...and you are 68 years old?

There has been so much fudging with numbers, etc that who knows what to believe anymore.

I honestly believe that the virus is real and deadly, but pushing a vaccine out so quickly could become a nightmare in the distant future.

 

[Baron23]

...and you are 68 years old?

Yes I am....not sure exactly how that is germane but yes, I'm 68 and have seen a few things in my life and times.

I'm all for everybody to doing exactly what they want wrt to vaccines. I did.

 

[308pirate]

In my state of Maryland, all COVID deaths in June of 2021....ALL COVID deaths in this state....were unvaccinated people.

Are you sure?

 

[Dogtown]

If the numbers came from a single source, there would be a reason to be skeptical, but the numbers come from many sources. A well established methodology in science for corroborating data is when multiple lines of independently gathered data converge, that's called a clue.

 

[308pirate]

Scientific reasons for waiting to get the COVID vaccine

I voted for Donald Trump twice, but that has nothing to do with my hesitancy to get the vaccine. I'm a Christian, and that has nothing to do with it, either. Even the fact that I had COVID and should be immune doesn'...

www.americanthinker.com

A damn good read with an interesting main point!


By Pandra Selivanov

I prefer to wait until there are enough long-term data to scientifically show that the vaccine is safe.

That right there is exactly why I haven't taken it, and will not until I (not anyone else) am satisfied that the benefits outweigh the risks. And in order to make that risk vs reward analysis, the risks need to be understood.

At this point not even the short term risks are understood, let alone the long term.

 

[OldSalty2]

If science is settled, why no fda approval?

Give people recourse.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Anyone want to take bets on the VA denying claims down the line for those suffering side effects because they “voluntarily” took a non-FDA approved drug?

It would be hilarious if it weren’t so enraging.

 

[Dogtown]

At this point if you are avoiding the vaccine and you die from COVID, that's on you. Hopefully you don't take any kids under 12 with you.

The data says it's safe and that it is very effective. And now that we have large clusters of vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to compare, we can extrapolate those safety and efficacy predictions into real world data.

Basically, the vaccine test programs were rigorous load development with rounds tested at distance and met statistical expectations. Now large swaths of the community are testing those loads at distance and guess what? They're hitting targets. But a large chunk of the population is consumed by partisan ideology and unwilling to even try these loads, thinking they honestly know better than the professionals.

 

[Bullfrog08]

Anyone want to take bets on the VA denying claims down the line for those suffering side effects because they “voluntarily” took a non-FDA approved drug?

It would be hilarious if it weren’t so enraging.

You can be assured that this will be twisted in someway to cause an issue for people in the future. The short term affects of not taking it, might cause some minor issues with traveling and such, but the long term implications could be really painful. I'll take my chances with the super deadly virus!

 

[BullGear]

In my state of Maryland, all COVID deaths in June of 2021....ALL COVID deaths in this state....were unvaccinated people.

People should do exactly as they wish....and it is a self-correcting situation....I'm a believer in Darwinism.

Cheers

How do you feel about people who contracted the virus and have natural antibodies from the actual virus?

 

[BullGear]

...and you are 68 years old?

There has been so much fudging with numbers, etc that who knows what to believe anymore.

I honestly believe that the virus is real and deadly, but pushing a vaccine out so quickly could become a nightmare in the distant future.

Yes, the numbers are slanted beyond belief. Has any scientist explained how there were practically NO flu related deaths in the last 16 months?

 

[308pirate]

At this point if you are avoiding the vaccine and you die from COVID, that's on you. Hopefully you don't take any kids under 12 with you.

The data says it's safe and that it is very effective. And now that we have large clusters of vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to compare, we can extrapolate those safety and efficacy predictions into real world data.

Basically, the vaccine test programs were rigorous load development with rounds tested at distance and met statistical expectations. Now large swaths of the community are testing those loads at distance and guess what? They're hitting targets. But a large chunk of the population is consumed by partisan ideology and unwilling to even try these loads, thinking they honestly know better than the professionals.

Where's the data?

I want to see it and read it myself. I don't want to hear your opinion.

Ask the professionals about thalidomide.................asshole.

 

[Namekagon]

As I’m sub 40 years old, this mRNA question is a major reason I haven’t gotten vaccinated. My risk of dying of covid is so low, that without understanding the long term risks associated with this new way of doing vaccines, it’s not worth it for me.

I am also interested in Novavax, which might be available soon. From what I’ve found it’s a more conventional vaccine technology, and it’s doing very well against covid with fewer side effects than the mRNA version. Waiting to see for now.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

At this point if you are avoiding the vaccine and you die from COVID, that's on you.

No shit, genius.

Did you read the article?

 

[n0glock]

It appears the vaccine is safe and effective, how long term effective it is we will see over the next several months. That does not change the fact this is the largest clinical trial in history. At this point is is available to everyone free so I don't care who takes it or not if you are concerned about the virus get the shot, if you are vaccinated why would you care who is not you are protected.

 

[Jgunner]

Are you sure?

Sure he is sure. Why would CNN lie?

 

[CMP70306]

At this point if you are avoiding the vaccine and you die from COVID, that's on you. Hopefully you don't take any kids under 12 with you.

The data says it's safe and that it is very effective. And now that we have large clusters of vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to compare, we can extrapolate those safety and efficacy predictions into real world data.

Basically, the vaccine test programs were rigorous load development with rounds tested at distance and met statistical expectations. Now large swaths of the community are testing those loads at distance and guess what? They're hitting targets. But a large chunk of the population is consumed by partisan ideology and unwilling to even try these loads, thinking they honestly know better than the professionals.

Professionals worked on the mRNA vaccine tech for years yet never approved use of the tech until they were given billions of taxpayer dollars and blanket immunity from any issues it may cause.

I know probably 40 people who have had the virus, including direct family members, and the only one who died was a woman in her 60’s with a multitude of other health issues that waited until she could hardly breathe, over a month after her first symptoms, to go to the hospital. Every other person I know had next to no symptoms and several people who lived with those who were infected never got it despite making no effort to distance from the infected one.

Also funny you should bring up children under 12, based on the info I’ve seen it sure looks like the vaccine is more dangerous to children than the virus is.

 

[Smitty192]

At least the flu has been eradicated.

Willingly injecting an untested mRNA solution in the hopes of not contracting an illness with a 99.6% survivability rate is asinine. Couple that with an over the top push by the government and full immunity for big pharma should worry people more.

Take your shot. Be crash test dummy. I'll continue to live my life as a free man. NO MASK. NO EXPERMINATAL SHOT. NO FEAR.

Covid has been the biggest hoax the government has ever played on the American people. Considering the collective wool that has been pulled over the citizens of the United States bringing us into multiple wars and the implementation of the Patriot Act, that is saying something.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

It's all payback to the insurance companies after the Dems passed Obamacare.

You get millions of people paying premiums and then one day, big insurance says "Sorry, you received a vaccine that wasn't FDA approved."

 

[W54/XM-388]

At this point if you are avoiding the vaccine and you die from COVID, that's on you. Hopefully you don't take any kids under 12 with you.

Loosing your argument so you have to try the "for the children" B.S. approach?
It's well known FACT that children are extremely unlikely to have serious side effects from a Covid infection (if they even realize they have it.)
So spare us the "You are a monster killing children" LIES.

The data says it's safe

Have you actually looked at the data on adverse reactions including DEATHS?
These "vaccines" have a higher death rate than all vaccines put together in the last 10 years, the numbers are in the thousands.
England for example finally found out that people died of blood clots thanks in part to the preservatives in the version they were using.

Even the government's own numbers show large amounts of injuries.
Just recently it's been linked to heart problems in young people.

This is NOT "Safe" it's simply "less likely to kill you than getting the virus"

I've known people that got the Covid and recovered just fine.

1 Friend's father died of it
1 friend of a friend was "fully vaccinated" got the covid a few months later and died in a really big hurry.


Stop being such a stupid sheep.
Do your own research, find the facts yourself & make the decision that is right for you & stop trying to play fox without the tail by telling everybody else they have to do whatever you say.

 

[BytorJr]

The VAERS database would lead me to believe that some folks here have obviously drank the Kool-Aid. It's absolutely got some server side effects...including...DEATH. So to say it's "completely safe" is denying that ALL drugs and vaccines (and food) are not 100% "safe."

 

[Mike Islander]

If the numbers came from a single source, there would be a reason to be skeptical, but the numbers come from many sources. A well established methodology in science for corroborating data is when multiple lines of independently gathered data converge, that's called a clue.

Hard to talk sense into those who willfully disregard reality. Numbers are reported from 10s of 1000s of sources with all varieties of beliefs and political leanings. The one reality is over half a million additional dead people, including members of my family.

If I were selfish, or fearful, I would not have gotten the vaccine. It's common for many to rely on herd immunity of others to protect themselves. But it's not always purely a selfish move. Many have been manipulated by wives tales and click bait. And still others have higher standards of what they will accept as science. Personally, the rates of side effects are what I used to decide to take the Pfizer vaccine. And I understand that I took what could be a huge chance, since we have no long term data on any of these vaccines.

 

[Baron23]

How do you feel about people who contracted the virus and have natural antibodies from the actual virus?

I don't feel anything about anybody....again, I think people should do EXACTLY what they want. I did...I got the vaccine.

What you (the general "you") do doesn't matter to me at all. I don't know you, you are not family or personal friend, and I'm not planning to invite you into my home for dinner. Do as you (again, general "you") wish. People do things that I personally think are idiotic all of the time....not really my business.

But, I do have family members dead from COVID. I have a family member with permanent scarred lungs from COVID. Any a very good buddy of mine that I shot skeet with for decades...a Texan sadly stuck in NY state right now...always expressed the view that this "crisis" would suddenly disappear as soon as last Nov elections were over. Then he and his whole family got it, some where hospitalized (wife for 6 weeks) and his view now is very different.

I'm not sure I have ever heard a person who had symptomatic COVID express a cavalier attitude toward it afterward.

Cheers and best of luck

 

[Baron23]

Sure he is sure. Why would CNN lie?

Now this is what I call a completely uninformed, but totally confident, opinion.

LOL...you don't know me, you don't know where this statistic came to me from...actually, you don't know shit about anything about me but....that sure didn't stop you from expressing your opinion. Its hilarious.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Don't get the vaccine and let us all know in mid September how that goes for you.

Let me guess, if someone doesn't get the vaccine they will die?

Much like all those stupid people claiming that kids that didn't get vaccinated would all drop dead from Measles, German Measles, or Chickenpox?

Even adding in all the deaths of previously seriously ill people, you are still at over 98% survival rate for getting covid bad enough to go get tested.

There are also now many widely known treatment options that if taken at the first sign of illness greatly reduce the chances of serious complications.

 

[Nik H]

Scientific reasons for waiting to get the COVID vaccine

I voted for Donald Trump twice, but that has nothing to do with my hesitancy to get the vaccine. I'm a Christian, and that has nothing to do with it, either. Even the fact that I had COVID and should be immune doesn'...

www.americanthinker.com

A damn good read with an interesting main point!


By Pandra Selivanov

I voted for Donald Trump twice, but that has nothing to do with my hesitancy to get the vaccine. I'm a Christian, and that has nothing to do with it, either. Even the fact that I had COVID and should be immune doesn't matter to me. My reason is based on science and science alone. It's still an experimental vaccine; it doesn't have FDA approval; and although mRNA vaccines have been studied for years, they were not used before.

My biggest fear of the vaccine is that I can't get any information about why mRNA vaccines were not used before COVID. I can Google plenty of information about how wonderful the vaccine is, but I can't find anything at all about why mRNA vaccines were not approved for human trials before.
There is a lot of invective directed at people who are hesitant about getting the vaccine. I have been called a murderer for being hesitant, and I have been accused of refusing to get the vaccine because of my political leanings. I've also been called a religious fanatic. I don't think asking about the science of mRNA vaccination means that I am a Jesus freak, a Trumpanzee, or a serial killer. When I am called these names, it doesn't make me think I should agree with the name-callers and run out to get the vaccine. It makes me think that if I am being treated hatefully for asking scientific questions, there must be something wrong with the science of the vaccine.
Is mRNA unstable and likely to cause unwanted side-effects? Does it create an unacceptably strong immune response? Was it some technical problem, like delivery system problems, that caused mRNA vaccines to be restricted? I'm not opposed to getting the vaccine if I have reason to believe that it is safe and will not harm my health in some unforeseen fashion.

Since I can't get any information at this time on these points, I will wait until FDA approval of the vaccine. I'm not interested in adding to the pool of subjects that has been created by the millions who have rushed to get the vaccine. There are enough people who have been vaccinated under emergency approval protocols. They don't need me to swell their ranks, nor do I need to risk my health with an experimental vaccine. I prefer to wait until there are enough long-term data to scientifically show that the vaccine is safe.

I have been asking this very question for a while. Nothing but crickets even from my son who is a doctor and has NOT taken the vaccine. Another open question is why is this called a vaccine? Most of the information that I have read say that the biggest benefit to this "vaccine" is that it reduces symptoms versus preventing someone from contracting it. That is not a vaccine.

I make my own decisions. I will let my body take care of me versus some man made elixir. I had COVID...I got through it without issue and I have no FEAR of variants.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Don't get the vaccine and let us all know in mid September how that goes for you.

10-4.

 

[supercorndogs]

Now this is what I call a completely uninformed, but totally confident, opinion.

LOL...you don't know me, you don't know where this statistic came to me from...actually, you don't know shit about anything about me but....that sure didn't stop you from expressing your opinion. Its hilarious.

I know you still haven't linked us to the data that backs up your claim.

I can also tell you if you have the jab, they are using less cycles for PCR tests, then if you didn't let them experiment on you. More ffucky numbers, big surprise. You go on and keep believing though.

 

[supercorndogs]

Don't get the vaccine and let us all know in mid September how that goes for you.

Go get the vaccine, see how the experiment works out on you. See how that goes for you. How many safe effective, non-experimental treatments are there? Quite a few. Why were there fraudulent claims they were too dangerous to use.

 

[whatsupdoc]

At this point if you are avoiding the vaccine and you die from COVID, that's on you. Hopefully you don't take any kids under 12 with you.

The data says it's safe and that it is very effective. And now that we have large clusters of vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to compare, we can extrapolate those safety and efficacy predictions into real world data.

Basically, the vaccine test programs were rigorous load development with rounds tested at distance and met statistical expectations. Now large swaths of the community are testing those loads at distance and guess what? They're hitting targets. But a large chunk of the population is consumed by partisan ideology and unwilling to even try these loads, thinking they honestly know better than the professionals.

Diethylstilbestrol was another med the professionals fucked people with.

 

[mrtoyz]

@Dogtown
@Baron23
For those of you that believe in the vaccine, you need to do more research. Start here:
https://informedchoicewa.org/news/r...cine-toxicity-neutralizing-the-spike-protein/

 

[impactaddict]

I can't find anything at all about why mRNA vaccines were not approved for human trials before.

It's because mRNA vaccines can't get past the animal trials. The reason is (and I'm paraphrasing) when test animals get mRNA vaccines they do great. When the vaccinated test animals then receive a wild "variant" of the virus they all die a miserable death due to cytokine storm. Apparently COVID19 vaccines are different... but stand by for the required boosters.

 

[candyx]

For the life of me what is the deal with vaccinated people being so upset that others aren't vaccinated. If your vaccinated you shouldn't have to worry about anything, your safe. The government told the sheep to take the shot and you did it was your choice not everyone has to follow the choices you make. If people die from being unvaccinated it was their choice to make and they aren't complaining about it, nor did they complain about people who were vaccinated.

Listening to politicians is good training for your future socialist government.

News Flash your tax dollars paid for covid19 in the first place , you can thank Fauci for that . We gave all our manufacturing jobs to China ,they make everything for us even our bioweapons.

Fauci was part of the gain of function of the covid virus, typically doctors try to eradicate virus not experiment in how to make them more deadly to humans, and again your hard earned tax dollars at work trying to kill you faster with a better virus.

If their goal is to kill us all how will they make money and who will they control after everyone is dead.......

 

[Fig]

I've been vaccinated and there's noth..ing wro...ng a ...a .. ..aaa.a AAAHAHHAHHHHHHH!

 

[pmclaine]

At this point if you are avoiding the vaccine and you die from COVID, that's on you. Hopefully you don't take any kids under 12 with you.

The data says it's safe and that it is very effective. And now that we have large clusters of vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to compare, we can extrapolate those safety and efficacy predictions into real world data.

Basically, the vaccine test programs were rigorous load development with rounds tested at distance and met statistical expectations. Now large swaths of the community are testing those loads at distance and guess what? They're hitting targets. But a large chunk of the population is consumed by partisan ideology and unwilling to even try these loads, thinking they honestly know better than the professionals.

At this point if Im 20 pounds overweight and die of heart disease its on me.

At this point if I slip in the shower and die its on me.

At this point if I stick a needle of heroin its on.....whoa, wait, thats a disease. Not on me.

At this point if a nutcase takes a gun and shoots me its on the nutcase.......whoa, wait, thats on the gun.

The communists politicized this dsease.....fuck you telling me whats on me.

I can care for myself.

 

[Fig]

There are a lot of butt hurt pussy ass faggots on both sides. If you don't want to get vaxxed it's your choice, no one elses. The facade of Democrat "liberalism" has completely crumbled. They are totalitarian enemies of all free people, and should be treated as such.

I like the fact people won't take it, because I fucking hate pinko communists faggots, and anything that causes them stress and to become triggered is more than ok in my book. Causing them pain and anguish is my fucking hobby.

 

[RTH1800]

No, you do not need to do “research”. You are not researchers. Quite frankly most are incapable of reading a scientific article and coming to the correct conclusions.

Lot of folks are going to die gasping for air.
Those that survive will say they are correct but they will only be lucky.

 

[pmclaine]

Yes, the numbers are slanted beyond belief. Has any scientist explained how there were practically NO flu related deaths in the last 16 months?

That flu data is BULLSHIT!

 

[BytorJr]

It's because mRNA vaccines can't get past the animal trials. The reason is (and I'm paraphrasing) when test animals get mRNA vaccines they do great. When the vaccinated test animals then receive a wild "variant" of the virus they all die a miserable death due to cytokine storm. Apparently COVID19 vaccines are different... but stand by for the required boosters.

Cytokine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And the adverse reactions and roll in health of one of these storms should put every believer in the mRNA at ease.

 

[W54/XM-388]

No, you do not need to do “research”. You are not researchers.

Oh so only official agents of the ruling party are allowed to do "research" are they now?

Lot of folks are going to die gasping for air.
Those that survive will say they are correct but they will only be lucky.

With a greater than 98% survival rate, you have to be rather unlucky to die, or already about to die.

 

[atepointer]

No, you do not need to do “research”. You are not researchers. Quite frankly most are incapable of reading a scientific article and coming to the correct conclusions.

So either you are one of the select few who can interpret the mystical goat entrails or you just believe what you are told w/o question b/c you don't feel qualified to look deeper? Which is it?

That sounds like the same malarkey the global swarmers feed us routinely when they move the goal posts after their most recent study face plant doesn't tell them what they want. 'Well you guys just don't understand it's so complex, but the science has been settled already.'

 

[pmclaine]

Cytokine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And the adverse reactions and roll in health of one of these storms should put every believer in the mRNA at ease.

Add to this that anecdotal, as well personal experience, tells me human immune systems.......say 1990 on......have become "weaker".

All I have is "observation" to base this on.

Look at the prevalence of Epi Pens, Type I diabetes, Lupus, Derm issues, inhalers, spectrums.....

Maybe its diagnoses is improving, maybe its pharma promoting it.......

I think its real.

Repressed immune systems as well they respond aggressively against healthy systems when stimulated.

Whats the trigger?

I think the environment is cleaner in general from my childhood but perhaps new things I was not exposed to as a kid.

I think our food is heavily altered from when I was a kid, more un-natural shit contained within and bad dietary advice.

Enough to fuck us up though?

 

[BullGear]

Professionals worked on the mRNA vaccine tech for years yet never approved use of the tech until they were given billions of taxpayer dollars and blanket immunity from any issues it may cause.

I know probably 40 people who have had the virus, including direct family members, and the only one who died was a woman in her 60’s with a multitude of other health issues that waited until she could hardly breathe, over a month after her first symptoms, to go to the hospital. Every other person I know had next to no symptoms and several people who lived with those who were infected never got it despite making no effort to distance from the infected one.

Also funny you should bring up children under 12, based on the info I’ve seen it sure looks like the vaccine is more dangerous to children than the virus is.

If anyone should be dead it's me. I'm 60 years old, have had diabetes for more than 30 years, heart disease with 5 way bypass.
For the last16 months I have been on dialysis with an eGFR of 7. These are just the 3 major issues that I have.

I contracted Covid and tested positive on March 15 of this year. I had every symptom except for death. The symptoms were mild. I have felt more sick with a common cold than I did with Covid. I never lost my taste or smell, but it screwed up those senses.

I have asked many doctors and a few research personnel and NO ONE can tell me if these antibodies will protect me from the virus. I've also asked how the RNA in the vaccine can protect me better than the antibodies from the actual virus. Again, nothing but crickets.

 

[stefan73]

Funny, if you had covid already (it wasn't bad like they claimed it would be) and was the 99.6% that survived it , don't you now have the antibodies and doesn't that follow along with Fauci's "Herd Immunity" claims??

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Yeah....but then you think...
"Hey.....all these fucking kool-aid drinkers shedding spike proteins around everyone....hmmm....wonder if this is another "gain of function" test."

Let them vax you. If you can't see you are a fucking bipedal guinea pig....well hell, I'm not sure there's much hope for your dumb ass.

ETA
I'd rather be around a Covid patient, than someone who has been vaxxed with gene therapy.
And I have been around Covid patients, without a mask or hand sanitizer.

 

[pmclaine]

Oh so only official agents of the ruling party are allowed to do "research" are they now?



With a greater than 98% survival rate, you have to be rather unlucky to die, or already about to die.

If they were really concerned they would be in front of the camera saying.....

"If you are obese dont worry about the mask. Put down the burger and start running. With all that fat you are not facing a .02 percent fatal disease, you are looking at significantly higher death stats - get out there and run that lard off fatty!"

Edit/Add - Im not sporting a 6 pack. Should Fauci actually put out this sound medical advice it would apply to me also. Im not fat shaming anyone if I include myself.

 

[candyx]

Funny, if you had covid already (it wasn't bad like they claimed it would be) and was the 99.6% that survived it , don't you now have the antibodies and doesn't that follow along with Fauci's "Herd Immunity" claims??

They other day they were talking about we can never reach herd immunity , so they took that off the table.