Rifle Scopes Scope Adjustments are opposite!!! What the hell..

[highandtotheright]

I can't even begin to tell you all the trouble this has caused, not to mention money. I never even heard of this happening.
Vortex 6x24 PST.
Anyone else have this problem???
H

 

[Turk]

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Care to eloborate? Stuff happens; but if I were a betting man....it's not the scope!

 

[Paladin2147]

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Look like CCW to me. What did you expect?

 

[highandtotheright]

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Maybe I'm looking through the wrong end? Good thing your NOT a beeting man Turk.
I bought the tikka t3 Lite in 300 wm, Berretta does not import the T3 tac. in a 300 or varmit or supper varmit for that matter. I spoke with them at the Shot Show in Vegas a few months back. Anyway, the Tikka comes with a sub moa garuntee at 100 meters so I bought it. Good gun for the money, Great gun for the money but it is a BEAST to shoot. I spoke with Jeff at Grizzly Gun Works and ordered a muzzle break (no dust signature, etc...) My brother loves his Vortex so I bought one from Cameraland, I do most of my business through them and they are awesome.
First time I took it out I lazer sighted it then shot about 4 moa (1.047 inches is a moa at 100, for thosse that may not know) high and to the left at 100 yards. I make my adjustments and it's worse, about double. The day was ending and I had to go.
Next week went out still had not got my muzzle break shot a couple rounds and decided to sight in my EOtech I got for my sig, it kicks much less.
Today I thought I was losing my mind, more retarded than I had orginally thought. Took it down to 50 yds and grouped "ok" but even Iraqis can do that so I pull out my ballistics program. I just reloaded some berger 210 vlds with 75 gr. H-1000, Fed 215m primers and wanted to see what the deal was. I have a plate hanging 915 yards that I often hit with my .308 and I was way off. Not even dust so I go back to a VERY rough zero and just Kentucky windage it, I have dust and i'm close, about 8-10 feet. I have a 20 moa cant on it from EGW. So Bring my sled out and devote enough time to see just what is going on. One full turn in 12 moa up (1/4 clicks) and the reticle moves down. windage is opposite as well. That's why and how I was "double off" the first day.
So tell me where I am wrong.

 

[hamstur]

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Yes, cranking elevation 'up' causes the reticle to move 'down'.

Step back for a second to visualize -- reticle is lower, so you have to bring the rifle muzzle higher to center it on your target, thus aiming upward for long distance.

This is why European optics with CW make so much more sense to me...

 

[highandtotheright]

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Hamster, I see that but i am sooo far off everytime I make an adjustment. It seems that anything I do makes it worse. Even with black hills ammo (match) could it be anything else? Besides me?

 

[hamstur]

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I'd finger f**k the gun a bit to check for set up issues...

- Did you properly bed & screw the base to the action?
- Are rings torqued properly to base? My buddy removed the scope from his rifle last week and forgot to re-tighten them to spec when he put them back--he couldn't hit steel to save his life on Sunday morning.
- Are rings properly torqued on scope? I've had issue where I under-torqued and scope was slipping forward in the rings with each shot, causing my shots to string off.
- Are the ring's rail grabbers straight on the side of the base? Had an issue once where one grabber was at a slight angle and scope wouldn't zero ... I religiously check that everytime I mount a scope.
- Undo the 2 Torx screws & pull the action from the stock to check the Tikka recoil block & everything is proper ... then re-install.
- Etc ... sounds like you've got shooting experience under your belt, so it sounds more like a set up issue.

 

[Glen Seekins]

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The ammo you are using has nothing to do with the scope adjusting backwards unless im missing something...?

Do a search on "box test" in the optics section and you should find some good info.

Also, you cant expect much at 50yds with 210gr VLD's. Sometimes (always for me) larger bullets will shoot better MOA groups at distance than up close.

Start at the start and don't get too ahead of yourself. Make sure your kit is squared away, Box test, sight in at 100yds, work up a load or find what it likes best. cronograph, upload GOOD known data into ballistics program then see what it will do for you. I bet you will find your frustration level a bit lower

 

[skog]

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What other scopes do you have? Since vortex does not make a cw scope I doubt the wrong parts ended up in the gun. When looking at the elevation turret when behind the gun turning the turret to the right will raise your POI. This lowers the reticle in the sight picture forcing you to raise your muzzle.

 

[YetiSlayer]

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Maybe this is simpler than you think. I am not trying to sound condescending, but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle. So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it.

 

[Outdoorsman9]

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Is this your first riflescope?

 

[deadnbrkn84]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outdoorsman9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this your first riflescope? </div></div>

+1

 

[hk dave]

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This is bordering on epic.

 

[remau308]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: highn2theright</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I spoke with Jeff at Grizzly Gun Works and ordered a muzzle break (no dust signature, etc...) </div></div>

I'm sorry, after reading this portion, I lost all confidence that you know what you're talking about. My brake causes a mini tornado when shooting in the dirt....

I think you may be simply adjusting the scope wrong.

Where are you located, maybe a member that lives close to you can help you with the problem.

 

[223Rem]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craven Morehead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe this is simpler than you think. I am not trying to sound condescending, but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle. So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it. </div></div>

Huh? This makes no sense what so ever. Please elaborate.

 

[VJJPunisher]

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is there a knobby thing on top and on the right or left?

 

[Outdoorsman9]

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when you dial up, your crosshair moves down, which forces you to point the barrel higher, which is required in order for you to shoot longer range.

 

[77Bronc]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223Rem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craven Morehead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe this is simpler than you think. I am not trying to sound condescending, but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle. So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it. </div></div>

Huh? This makes no sense what so ever. Please elaborate. </div></div>

Yes please tell more, this makes no sense

 

[slyfox]

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Are you dyslexic?

 

[CoryT]

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Think of it as moving the front sight, it moves opposite the direction you need the bullet to go.

 

[CleanMoostang]

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need an admin to scan this dudes ip because it has to be someone playing a joke...

 

[SLO]

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Wow, my head is spinning. Entertaining read, tho.

 

[Scott_at_Vortex]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 77Bronc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223Rem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craven Morehead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe this is simpler than you think. I am not trying to sound condescending, but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle. So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it. </div></div>

Huh? This makes no sense what so ever. Please elaborate. </div></div>

Yes please tell more, this makes no sense </div></div>


I will try to elaborate. What Craven is stating is correct, but I can see how some might not understand his wording.

To put it in simple terms. When you are zeroing your scope the reticle is moving(as we all know), but the direction indicated on scope turrets is for bullet impact. So if you are shooting low of your aiming point you would dial the elevation turret up, or counter clockwise on the scope mentioned in this thread.


Regards
Scott

 

[texastonk]

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[z71rat]

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Go find someone to shoot with that has lots of experience. I am sure that when you get to see the whole picture, with hands on experience, and an experienced eye, your problems will be solved.

Don't look through the scope to adjust, unless you are looking at the bullet hole to cover it with your reticle, while not moving the rifles position from the first shot taken.

DK

 

[Enough Said]

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Another "picture this" instance:

Picture the strike of your bullet as the tip of a wood screw. You've got a wood screw for an elevation turret and a wood screw on the right for windage.

Now, BACK the screw out, and you've gone UP or RIGHT.
Drive the screw IN and you'll go DOWN or LEFT.

That's the way I taught it to novices when I taught it.

Close your eyes with your hand on the proper turret and picture that screw and you'll always make the correct adjustment.

 

[105amatt]

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Whats a scope?

 

[VJJPunisher]

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[VJJPunisher]

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[jwp6114]

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this is great...

hey man, this sport just isnt for everyone. i mean you dont have to be a rocket scientist...

I tell ya what, i will pay your for shipping to me, test it and
"if i think its ok" i will buy it from you (at a reduced price of course sence you think its messed up)

 

[0V3RC10CK3D]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slyfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you dyslexic? </div></div>

Is the scope mounted backwards?

 

[slyfox]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 0V3RC10CK3D</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slyfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you dyslexic? </div></div>

Is the scope mounted backwards?

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everything looks fine to me. I love how big the eyepiece is on this scope!

 

[Paulus]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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LMAO!

-Paulus

 

[0V3RC10CK3D]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slyfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 0V3RC10CK3D</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slyfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you dyslexic? </div></div>

Is the scope mounted backwards?

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everything looks fine to me. I love how big the eyepiece is on this scope!

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LOL!

 

[317millhand]

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Everything looks so small!!!

 

[WARDOG]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: highn2theright</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.... I spoke with Jeff at Grizzly Gun Works and ordered a muzzle break...</div></div>
Only because no one else has mentioned this yet....
If you are shooting off target, is the gun at least grouping BEFORE you make adjustments?
Also- Are you trying to zero the rifle and scope with a muzzle brake that did not come with the rifle? The bullet could be striking the MB.
If the brake is installed, take it off and start from scratch. Take out all extra variables.
Try shooting a group whether the point of impact is where you want it or not. Aim in the same place every time regardless of where the bullets are striking. If you are grouping well,(at least 5 rounds) then it is not the rifle. Put the muzzle brake back on and aim in the same place as you grouped before (with the previous strikes taped over). Is it still grouping?
If it is still grouping it is not the muzzle brake, and it is not likely the rings or mounts.
If you are impacting high and to the left, you are moving the scope turrets down and right? If your point of impact is moving high and left when you are moving the turrets down and right then your scope is likely the culprit.

WARDOG

 

[jwp6114]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craven Morehead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe this is simpler than you think. I am not trying to sound condescending, but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle. So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it.</div></div>

i think this may be what we have here,,,

would like to here back from the OP on his findings...

 

[jrgfox]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craven Morehead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe this is simpler than you think. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">I am not trying to sound condescending</span>, <span style="font-weight: bold">but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle.</span></span> So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it. </div></div>

Wow...Good thing your not trying to be condescending.

 

[Temp9]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrgfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craven Morehead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe this is simpler than you think. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">I am not trying to sound condescending</span>, <span style="font-weight: bold">but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle.</span></span> So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it. </div></div>

Wow...Good thing your not trying to be condescending. </div></div>

How is that condescending? I can easily see someone messing that up. If you're new to scopes, it's hard to know if the markings on the scope correspond to the reticle or the POI.

 

[doc gordon]

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think about this!when adjusting you are moving the crosshairs to where you shot!if you shot at a dot,then adjusted your gun in a vice aiming at original dot,then move crosshairs to bullet hole you should be sighted in IF all scope mounting is correct!!!

 

[powasky]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Temp9</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrgfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craven Morehead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe this is simpler than you think. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">I am not trying to sound condescending</span>, <span style="font-weight: bold">but when you adjust a scope you are moving the strike of the bullet, not the reticle.</span></span> So when you crank up you move the strike of the round up, when you crank left you move the strike of the round left. From what I could infer from your dilema, you are thinking of moving the reticle and not the strike of the round. This is a mistake that I have made in the past, and it can drive you nuts till you step back and think about it. </div></div>

Wow...Good thing your not trying to be condescending. </div></div>

How is that condescending? I can easily see someone messing that up. If you're new to scopes, it's hard to know if the markings on the scope correspond to the reticle or the POI. </div></div>

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