Your thinking is narrow. Your brain is not grasping. Let me help you. Just because most all scopes used in elr can be used for prs, doesn’t mean, most all scopes used in prs can be used for elr. Stick to your small guns and small thinking
Scope paralysis
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Well @DeathBeforeDismount you beat me to it. I was going to mention this nifty little invention called a canted rail, easily available up to 40 MOA to get back some of the clicks on the scope. And, if I were shooting ELR, I would also pick a longer zero, nothing under 200.
@Geno C. - Given your cited expertise in ELR, would you say the 3rd-gen Razor 6-36x56 is decent for what OP wants to do? If there's a better choice for him, I'd like to know what that is and why, since I led him to order the Razor from EuroOptic and maybe he can return the Razor unopened for the better option.
Thanks.
Thanks.
It's hilarious these fucking clowns think things like specs, ballistics calls and basic math somehow make ELR some black magic. Or that becuase someone primarily shoots one discipline, doesn't dabble in a bunch of others.
I'm still waiting to hear about that magical 2k "ELR" scope that you would never see on a prs gun. Funny how NF elr, great basin ELR are full of dudes we shoot with at matches shooting the same gear except a long action with a different barrel on it. Hell some of them are running short action sherman mags and prcs. So a bolt , barrel and mag change. Same scope.
Awaiting the witty detailed response telling me why I'm wrong instead of bullshit one liners.
I'm still waiting to hear about that magical 2k "ELR" scope that you would never see on a prs gun. Funny how NF elr, great basin ELR are full of dudes we shoot with at matches shooting the same gear except a long action with a different barrel on it. Hell some of them are running short action sherman mags and prcs. So a bolt , barrel and mag change. Same scope.
Awaiting the witty detailed response telling me why I'm wrong instead of bullshit one liners.
The Gen3 is a great choice. That or a used ATACR would be right about what he wants to spend and checks all the boxes.
Reread. I know comprehension is tough. Nowhere did I say an elr scope would never be seen on a prs rifle.
You’re wrong
Stop trying to flip this shit around. You got caught in a bunch of bullshit..are wrong and instead of admitting it, trying to deflect.
I said go to a prs match try a bunch of scopes.
You called me an idiot for it.
I explained why you are wrong and you keep responding with more bullshit.
You have yet to explain how a common prs scope is bad for a 2k "elr".
Its clear now you have no fucking idea what you are talking about, are just trolling and have contributed nothing to this thread of value.
And in the end, the op bought the prs scope after all. Don't you feel like a fucking moron LOL
Trying to have a conversation with you is like talking to a retard with autism. Welcome to ignore shitstain. You have zero value to add.
You are an idiot.
I see scopes at prs matches all the time that aren’t good choices for elr.
Read higher where I made scope suggestions. That called contributing last I checked.
Your snide comment, belittling the OP is the only reason I responded to this thread. You’re an arrogant cunt. I don’t really care for arrogant cunts.
I see scopes at prs matches all the time that aren’t good choices for elr.
Read higher where I made scope suggestions. That called contributing last I checked.
Your snide comment, belittling the OP is the only reason I responded to this thread. You’re an arrogant cunt. I don’t really care for arrogant cunts.
Somebody needs more fiber in their diet
Or, less. A lot less.......
I am sure one can get more MOA than that.Up to 40moa?!
Here is a sight that offers up to 40 MOA and it is easily available. As opposed to another site.
That's what I mean by easily avialable. More MOA might be arranged but getting anything up to 40 is quick and easy.
Edited to say: I may have sounded sarcastic, snarky, or salty. I meant in fun. Sorry about that.
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Well, when an asshole continues to asshole, said asshole should expect to get dogpiled.
As others have said, IMO the Razor Gen 3 6-36x56 is a no-brainer for the best value to shoot this distance. As another response indicated, there is a custom black version available at EO for about $2.5K. The only drawback with this scope is weight, but it is not that much heavier than the other options with similar or slightly superior optical quality and for what you say you are doing with the rifle weight is not an issue generally. There is nothing close in optical quality and turret/controls IMO in the $2K-$3K range.
In addition to the overall quality, my favorite aspect of the Razor Gen 3 6-36 is the combination of forgiving eye box (i.e. how easy it is to get behind and find a good sight picture), good depth of field and wide field of view. These parameters often compete, with forgiving eye box usually coming with less DOF and/or FOV, but in the case of this scope it is pretty darn good in all three. IMO a scope that has excellent glass and turrets but is hard to get behind and/or you need to fuss with parallax/focus all the time is not as good as "good enough" optical quality and turrets but is forgiving. If you ever want to shoot in any kind of dynamic situation with time pressure, position movement or moving targets the FOV will also help you find the targets. If you are shooting nothing but stationary targets with no time pressure you might be fine fussing with sight picture and the parallax knob, but if you shoot enough you might (are likely to) get bored and decide you want to try something more dynamic like a local PRS match, positional shooting with barricades or hunting.
If you want to spend twice $2.5K, you can go with the Tangent 7-35x56 and get noticeably better optical quality and turrets. Absolutely stunning across the board. However, IMO you won't know that you would like something better than the Razor Gen 3 until you shoot the TT735P side by side with the Vortex. If you do shoot them side by side, you and your bank account will be ruined. There are lots of other options in between the price of the Vortex and Tangent that IMO are not much, if any, better than the Vortex so you would be spending money for very modest improvement in certain areas depending on which scope. In short, if price is an issue go with the Vortex, if not skip over the scopes in between and go with the Tangent.
One other thing - reticles are important for the distances you are shooting and IMO FFP is a must. I recommend you get an FFP scope with fine reticle marks for wind hold. Many dial elevation and hold wind on the horizontal cross hair. If you want to shoot multiple targets and varying distances with time pressure, then get a tree reticle for circumstances when it's better to hold over instead of dialing elevation. What kind of tree? That is another topic, but for me the short answer is a conventional FFP mil-tree like the Vortex EBR-7, TT Gen 3 XR, March FML-TR1 and numerous others like those that don't have thick lines/features at the center dot, main cross hairs or hold marks so targets are not obscured at longer ranges. Some like TREMOR reticles (e.g. TREMOR3), but they are very busy for me and require lots of training time specific to the reticle. In my view TREMOR reticles are mostly for operators who must shoot moving targets fast, but some like them for fast wind hold setup.
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What if some one wanted to buy/use these scopes to shoot 300 yard steel on a 300 win mag and maybe never beyond 300 yard ? Are they too much scope ?
Problem is, we are all assholes, so it is getting difficult to tell who is who.Well, when an asshole continues to asshole, said asshole should expect to get dogpiled.
I have certification and so does 308pirate. I took over as AIC to get his granted. But here is mine.
If you are going to shoot at steel up to 300 yards and maybe never beyond:
Do yourself, your skills, your shoulder and your wallet a favour and swap the .300WM out for something a lot less punishing and less expensive to shoot.
I like that idea. Because one does need to put some rounds down range to build up skills and if we are just hitting steel and not game, then a small and sleek round will get there and go "clang" just as much as a .300 WM at 200 gr and zipping along.
IRC, 6.5 Creedmoor was originally designed as a longish range round for SA and minimal recoil.
Maybe he needs to go no heavier than 7 PRC or 7 RM. At whatever velocity.
Just going to chime in on ONE thing - just because it's a great scope spec wise, doesn't mean it's a good scope for you and your EYES.
If possible, go audition the glass and see how your eyes feel looking at 2000 yards. I sat behind the ATACRs - my eyes hated them. Sat behind the Vortex - a little easier on the eyes, but not for long.
Ended up with an older US Optics that I can sit behind literally ALL DAY without any eye strain and the headache after a long day behind the glass.
If possible, go audition the glass and see how your eyes feel looking at 2000 yards. I sat behind the ATACRs - my eyes hated them. Sat behind the Vortex - a little easier on the eyes, but not for long.
Ended up with an older US Optics that I can sit behind literally ALL DAY without any eye strain and the headache after a long day behind the glass.
You won’t regret a better scope up close.
Is the OP ever going to need to do hunting or anything else but going to a range that maxes out at 300 yards?
If not, then a bolt action rifle shooting heavy .223 rounds would let him shoot a lot with little fatigue and low cost.
Otherwise 6.5CM / 6CM / 22CM or anything in that range that suits his fancy. Even .308 with light fast bullets would work well for cheap shooting.
IMO there is never "too much scope" in terms of optical quality, turrets and controls, but budget and other constraints are important. If you buy a scope that is "only good enough" to shoot 300 or 400 yards in good conditions, if you keep shooting you are likely to find out later that the scope is inadequate for many things you want to do with the same rifle or another rifle. 300 yards is well within 22 rimfire range for a good rifle, and if you are shooting centerfire it is a cake walk for all but the worst budget factory rifles. Also, an excellent scope that shoots 2,000 yards very well is often the best scope in fading light, shaded targets, mirage or fog. My recommendation is to build your spec, with weight, minimum elevation travel (max distance) and max price being among the most important factors, then get the best scope you can in terms of optical quality, turrets, controls, forgiveness and reticle preferences that meets weight, elevation travel and max price. I don't recommend ever buying a scope that is only good enough to shoot a few hundred yards because that would be a pretty darn crummy scope, and it will be hard to sell if you wan to change/upgrade later.
Did you end up getting a razor? Amazing scope for the money.The new scope arrived today.
Thanks, I'm glad you were able to get a good deal on a scope and have it in hand.
Hopefully you'll have a great time and be able to have a lot of fun at 2k yards and then who knows, perhaps try pushing further out.
I was discussing with the guy I was replying to based on this guy's post which is a completely different application from you:
Congrats. After a few months of looking through and shooting. You too, will learn to derail threads for lol purposes.
I know you probably dont want to spend more money, But especially for shooting past 1k, I would recommend getting a MDT send it level and the Brandt ACI. This will put the level right in your eyepiece and you will subconsciously always be level. As distance increases, any cant gets magnified, especially if you hold wind. Its a game changer.
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The Brandt Built Ocular Housing Anti Cant indicator improves the ease of vizibility of your exisitng Long Range Arms Send It line of level by letting you see the lights right on the ocular of your scope!This add on does not permanently modify the original level at all. Simply remove the Send It...
Send iT - MV3 Electronic Level System - Short Action Precision
The New MV3 series Send iT. The modular solution for both left and right hand shooters. If You Can "Add to Cart", Then YES it actually is in Stock! The MV3 uses the same tried and true electronics and functions exactly the same as the previous models. The primary difference is the MV3 features a...
what did you get ....and sorry if i hijacked your thread with my questionsThe new scope arrived today
Already bought the MDT send it levelI know you probably dont want to spend more money, But especially for shooting past 1k, I would recommend getting a MDT send it level and the Brandt ACI. This will put the level right in your eyepiece and you will subconsciously always be level. As distance increases, any cant gets magnified, especially if you hold wind. Its a game changer.
Ocular Housing ACI - Black - Short Action Precision
The Brandt Built Ocular Housing Anti Cant indicator improves the ease of vizibility of your exisitng Long Range Arms Send It line of level by letting you see the lights right on the ocular of your scope!This add on does not permanently modify the original level at all. Simply remove the Send It...Send iT - MV3 Electronic Level System - Short Action Precision
The New MV3 series Send iT. The modular solution for both left and right hand shooters. If You Can "Add to Cart", Then YES it actually is in Stock! The MV3 uses the same tried and true electronics and functions exactly the same as the previous models. The primary difference is the MV3 features a...
I know you probably dont want to spend more money, But especially for shooting past 1k, I would recommend getting a MDT send it level and the Brandt ACI. This will put the level right in your eyepiece and you will subconsciously always be level. As distance increases, any cant gets magnified, especially if you hold wind. Its a game changer.
Ocular Housing ACI - Black - Short Action Precision
The Brandt Built Ocular Housing Anti Cant indicator improves the ease of vizibility of your exisitng Long Range Arms Send It line of level by letting you see the lights right on the ocular of your scope!This add on does not permanently modify the original level at all. Simply remove the Send It...Send iT - MV3 Electronic Level System - Short Action Precision
The New MV3 series Send iT. The modular solution for both left and right hand shooters. If You Can "Add to Cart", Then YES it actually is in Stock! The MV3 uses the same tried and true electronics and functions exactly the same as the previous models. The primary difference is the MV3 features a...
I know I'm probably in the minority but I disliked the brandt aci. Ended up selling it. Felt like it was just more stuff to hang off my gun and it felt chincy. I tried one because of all of the reviews despite never having an issue seeing my bubble level or my Send It when I had it mounted on the pic rail.
I really like the grey ops mount interface for the send it.
If you install it correctly all the wires are shrinked and tucked out of the way. Dont even know they are there. They are becoming VERY popular in PRS for the speed component alone. Also helps with people who forget to look at their level, it forces you to.
Oh I know. I installed it correctly. Still didn't like it. I've never had an issue seeing any of my levels. In fact I went back to a regular bubble and just use my Send It for leveling scopes on my SAC fixture.
I shoot both eyes open so for me it was a solution looking for a problem. For others maybe it's a good solution to a problem they have.
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Well, when an asshole continues to asshole, said asshole should expect to get dogpiled.
Ignore button works. That's why I seldom chime in about said asshole - it takes an extra click to see the content, so I have to be in a particularly masochistic mood to engage.
And I question the need. At a mile to like 2200 yards, I seldom shoot at more than like 20x and most is under that. Mile and half and further? Sure, but then the rifles that do well out to 2200 don't do well there anyway.
I miss the days when we could have discussions. Actual discussions about the benefits and drawbacks of the different scopes.
Now we get the. I'm a PRS shooter and I know it all. Everything is fucking garbage unless Mr. PRS approves.
Or vendors that pimp their products, I get you are advertising but at a certain point all I can think of is the Sham-Wow guy.
Now we get the. I'm a PRS shooter and I know it all. Everything is fucking garbage unless Mr. PRS approves.
Or vendors that pimp their products, I get you are advertising but at a certain point all I can think of is the Sham-Wow guy.
Very new scope world for this old fudd and the pretty bois do not take kindly if I do not shoot a 22/6 MM bench machine / latte cup holder . I bet they get upset with me using human silhouette targets too and having a scope that does not talk to a cell phone or use batteries .
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You are so far off base its not funny. Its hilarious that that is what you take away from this conversation.
The conversation has nothing to do with PRS, other than giving the dude an idea where he can go to look through a bunch of glass. The now ignored dickhead who wishes he could come in 3rd place on his best day, is the one who got his feelings hurt, made claims and then never backed them up.
Then the rest of the low IQ dogpile comes in. Typical snipers hide.
Give a guy an idea about a product that could help him (that no one is getting paid to recommend or rep, we buy our own shit) and somehow its bashing.
Every year the IQ drops in this place. This thread is proof. No wonder almost everyone with real value has left and doesn't bother using this site except to sell shit.
You could have called your butt buddy out for making a claim and never backing it up, but its more fun to shitpile right?
Here is another add to the ignore list. Someone with no value to add and just interested in slinging slit. My brother lives an hour from you. You sound typical of the low IQ methheads in the area.
The number one shit talker. Go back to the Pit where someone might care what you have to say.
