Rifle Scopes Scope Ring Selection Advice for TRG-22 in 6.5CM

[quantum13]

Hello,

Have found a lot of great advice here as well as a fabulous for sale/trade section which has led me to purchase a TRG-22 from a forum member in 6.5 CM.

So that'll be on the way to me soon. Budget and price/performance led me to choose the Vortex AMG scope to run on the TRG; it seems to be really good bang for the buck...I don't need the additional range of the 4.5-27, and, to be honest, since I'm not likely to be shooting this THAT much (ranges are far away, but I still want quality equipment), the extra grand for the ATACRS didn't seem logical for me.

So that leaves rings - I'm not sure exactly where to start on that. There are many manufacturers, there seem to be one piece and two-piece options, different heights, etc. I'm not sure exactly where to start on that. I know I need rings to match the tube diameter as on other scopes I already own but I'm used to Bobro one-piece QR mounts on sporting rifles and haven't ever done a precision rifle setup. Height is basic math and I can certainly figure that out but I'd sure appreciate some advice on what to look for...something that isn't maybe best of the best (with matching price) but will allow me to get the most out of the equipment I'm purchasing. Probably brand and one vs two piece would be my biggest questions.

I value not having to screw around; I'm glad to spend a little more if it means it's easier to use or goes together more easily or allows less hassle in some way. I'd prefer to be able to mount my optic and go shooting w/o having to worry about it not holding up.

Resale is important to me to some degree in case I ever need to sell because I need the money. I like to buy used but this is not a requirement, especially on something that holds its value well.

I also value a setup that looks 'right' on the rifle as aesthetics are part of what I appreciate about quality firearms.

Thanks for your input/advice.

 

[never_summer]

Spuhr st-4701, gets rid of the rail and mounts directly on the dovetail.

 

[stello1001]

Vortex
APA
Seekins
ARC
MDT
Leupold
Talley
NF
Burris
Sphur

Just pick one and run it.

There's a calculator in the rifle scope section that will show you how to measure for getting a good height that will fit to your scope and gun.

 

[quantum13]

Spuhr st-4701, gets rid of the rail and mounts directly on the dovetail.

Ah didn't know this existed. Thank you. Looks like I need the 3701 given the 30mm tube. This is a very expensive mount; what are the benefits of ditching the rail? This also reminded me of cant; should I expect to need a 20MOA cant on the setup I purchase given how flat 6.5CM shoots and the scope I'm looking at? I understand that some scopes cannot adjust as far as others.

 

[quantum13]

Vortex
APA
Seekins
ARC
MDT
Leupold
Talley
NF
Burris
Sphur

Just pick one and run it.

There's a calculator in the rifle scope section that will show you how to measure for getting a good height that will fit to your scope and gun.

I had a feeling it didn't matter all that much in terms of brand. What about 1 piece vs 2 piece? is a one piece like the Spuhr previously referenced inherently more stable or easy to mount?

 

[Guns&WhiteWater]

Hello,

Have found a lot of great advice here as well as a fabulous for sale/trade section which has led me to purchase a TRG-22 from a forum member in 6.5 CM.

So that'll be on the way to me soon. Budget and price/performance led me to choose the Vortex AMG scope to run on the TRG; it seems to be really good bang for the buck...I don't need the additional range of the 4.5-27, and, to be honest, since I'm not likely to be shooting this THAT much (ranges are far away, but I still want quality equipment), the extra grand for the ATACRS didn't seem logical for me.

So that leaves rings - I'm not sure exactly where to start on that. There are many manufacturers, there seem to be one piece and two-piece options, different heights, etc. I'm not sure exactly where to start on that. I know I need rings to match the tube diameter as on other scopes I already own but I'm used to Bobro one-piece QR mounts on sporting rifles and haven't ever done a precision rifle setup. Height is basic math and I can certainly figure that out but I'd sure appreciate some advice on what to look for...something that isn't maybe best of the best (with matching price) but will allow me to get the most out of the equipment I'm purchasing. Probably brand and one vs two piece would be my biggest questions.

I value not having to screw around; I'm glad to spend a little more if it means it's easier to use or goes together more easily or allows less hassle in some way. I'd prefer to be able to mount my optic and go shooting w/o having to worry about it not holding up.

Resale is important to me to some degree in case I ever need to sell because I need the money. I like to buy used but this is not a requirement, especially on something that holds its value well.

I also value a setup that looks 'right' on the rifle as aesthetics are part of what I appreciate about quality firearms.

Thanks for your input/advice.

Scope rings don’t have to be fancy, they just need to work. I run Seekins without issue.

 

[never_summer]

Ah didn't know this existed. Thank you. Looks like I need the 3701 given the 30mm tube. This is a very expensive mount; what are the benefits of ditching the rail? This also reminded me of cant; should I expect to need a 20MOA cant on the setup I purchase given how flat 6.5CM shoots and the scope I'm looking at? I understand that some scopes cannot adjust as far as others.

my bad didn’t fully read, yep the 3701 would be the right one. I’ve got a sotic which is a trg clone and have no complaints with the spuhr on it. Figured less parts and more attachment point was the upside of going to the dovetail mount. Had my rifle strapped to the top of my ruck for a three day event pretty much secured across the scope and never lost zero.

 

[stello1001]

I had a feeling it didn't matter all that much in terms of brand. What about 1 piece vs 2 piece? is a one piece like the Spuhr previously referenced inherently more stable or easy to mount?

I really don't think a one piece would be better than a 2 piece or vice versa. Unless they specifically have a feature that you want or like, they will all function great so long as you stick to a good manufacturer.

 

[quantum13]

Thanks, stello - perhaps it's just a matter of preference in terms of the cosmetics. I'd definitely choose one over the other for convenience or stability but if it really doesn't matter...guess I can just choose what looks the best. I think the simplicity of the 2 piece is more appealing but seemed to be more of a PITA.

 

[SmileMaker]

I have Near Manufacturing 45 moa and Alphamount on my TRG 42 and have zero complaints.

Near Manufacturing

-The Original 25 MOA forward slope, long range scope base. Used by the US NAVY, US ARMY special operations, and the RCMP with integral recoil shoulder and MIL-STD- 1913 spec.

www.nearmfg.com

 

[patriot07]

Vortex or Seekins. I've tried a bunch (both more and less expensive) and I've settled on those as both relatively affordable (compared to Spurh and others) and extremely high quality.

 

[quantum13]

Thanks for this input, all. As for cant I think i'll be looking at 20MOA rings as the scope should zero down to 100yd with that but should still allow me to get out to 1000yd if I ever am so inlclined (which seems unlikely TBH). It seems I wouldn't want to go any more than 30MOA based on what I know about the AMG.

 

[skatz11]

I like the Spuhr direct Mount. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with rings or a one piece mount on the factory rail but I do think there’s a benefit to removing a set of fasteners And going direct.

 

[kimbergoldmatch]

I have a TRG 22 with the Vortex AMG and went with the Spuhr ST-3701. I bought the Spuhr from Mile High Shooting... great folks to deal with.

I used a heat gun to get the screws and rail off and a little paint stripper to get what ever the rail was stuck on with off.

 

[quantum13]

I noticed mostly recommendations for the 3701; there is also a 3601 which sits a bit lower. I believe it also fits the AMG given its size.

Those of you with TRG experience, what led you to go with the 3701 over the 3601? Even though it clears does the stock on the TRG lend itself to the higher mount?

EDIT: Nevermind the 3601 is not an ST mount; missed that earlier.

That said the Sako mounts DO come in two heights. And they have a lower street price....so question stands but as it pertains to the Sako lineup....

 

[wade2big]

I use standard rings from a good manufacturer on my TRGs. I have a 20 moa base on one and the factory 0 moa base on the other. With my Razor scopes, I had no problem getting the 20” .308 out to 900 yards with factory 175fgmm ammunition. (9.7 mils at sea level). I am at 7.1 mils with my 6.5 creed with prime 130gr at 900.
No cant is necessary at 1,000 yards with a 6.5 creed at sea level with the AMG as it has enough internal elevation. It is even more room if you live at a higher elevation.

If you are buying an expensive one piece mount you might as well purchase the 20 moa version as there isn’t a downside. . If you want to save money them just buy standard rings. If you decide on rings, PM me as I have plenty of extra sets at several different heights and would help you out.

 

[quantum13]

I use standard rings from a good manufacturer on my TRGs. I have a 20 moa base on one and the factory 0 moa base on the other. With my Razor scopes, I had no problem getting the 20” .308 out to 900 yards with factory 175fgmm ammunition. (9.7 mils at sea level). I am at 7.1 mils with my 6.5 creed with prime 130gr at 900.
No cant is necessary at 1,000 yards with a 6.5 creed at sea level with the AMG as it has enough internal elevation. It is even more room if you live at a higher elevation.

If you are buying an expensive one piece mount you might as well purchase the 20 moa version as there isn’t a downside. . If you want to save money them just buy standard rings. If you decide on rings, PM me as I have plenty of extra sets at several different heights and would help you out.

This very helpful; thanks. I more or less came to the same conclusion as you that a 20 MOA mount makes a lot of sense. I was leaning toward one-piece as it should be more straightforward to get it all together correctly. I think I'm wanting to go the direct mount route so a 3701 or Optilock 3-ring setup seem to be the choices. I'm willing to spend a few hundred on a good mount but trying to buy used to save a bit. There is a 3701 listed for sale but it's 325 firm which doesn't save me much. I'm quite sure I can do an Optilock for a good bit less so looking in that direction. Plus I read that the Optilock can be mounted in multiple spots on the receiver (whereas the 3701 is less flexible due to the recoil post locations), and it comes in a QD version as well (debating the need for that - but could be nice to be able to remove for storage or transport or cleaning).

Since the Optilock 3 ring comes in multiple heights...that's where I'm just not sure. Everyone seems to want to keep the scope as low as possible; is this always the ideal? I've not had a chance to handle the TRG yet (still on the way) and don't have the scope yet either so maybe just best to wait, unless there is an obvious answer.

 

[quantum13]

Thinking about this more; if there is no cant needed even at 1000 yds and that factory rail is so stuck to the receiver that it's as hard to remove as I've read, I'm wondering if maybe i've overthought this a bit. It may still be best to wait for the rifle to come in but I'm starting to think that some good rings may yet be the way to go. i can ALWAYS switch later but I can't imagine i'll be shooting out past 1000 much if ever...and a pair of rings would be a LOT less expensive.

 

[GBMaryland]

Call Richard Near and have his make you a set of ring specific to your scope and TRG

 

[Silvan]

I’d go with ERA-TAC, much better than Spuhr

 

[quantum13]

Figured I'd update everyone given the recent replies; I ended up ordering a set of the 1" Burris XTR Signature rings for the ability to add some cant since the rail that comes on the rifle is 0 MOA and I really didn't want to spend another $400 for a mount or however many hundreds for a NEAR setup; if it doesn't work out I can always do something else later, the XTRs only cost me $75. I could not find any other solution that would allow me to add cant using the stock rail. Avoiding the need to pull the rail was a bonus (which I'd hoped to avoid).

That said - life turns out funny sometimes - the previous owner of the rifle had already pulled the rail; I didn't expect this. Looks like I'll be re-mounting it! Guess it'll be that much easier if I ever decide to go for a one-piece setup.