Rifle Scopes Scope selection process?

[MarkyMark007]

if you can, put them through your hands and eyes. so you will see visual and mechanical differences.

but in this trio, isn't burris very very inferior to others?

 

[Glassaholic]

just yesterday I did a research of the most universal scope, if I want to have it only one. for tactical and precise bolt action rifle.

and it should be 0.05MIL clicks (because of fine increments for precise, and MIL for tactical (US people can maybe use 1/4 MOA clicks because you are use to it)), FFP for tactical, high magnification, good glass, good reticle.

For "universal scope" I would not want fine clicks. You only need fine clicks if you're shooting benchrest or possibly F Class where minute adjustments may be necessary, but for an all around scope, standard .1 mil will get you on target for anything sizeable that you would be shooting. Even many ELR shooters use .1 mil. Just my 2 cents

 

[warp_foo]

if you can, put them through your hands and eyes. so you will see visual and mechanical differences.

but in this trio, isn't burris very very inferior to others?

It's certainly cheaper, but if you read the previous posts, the Burris XTR Pro gets a lot of positive comments.

And that is the reason I created this thread. Assume for a moment that the Burris XTR Pro is that good for the price, and that it's performance is >< that close to optics costing 1.5-2x more.

If that's a reasonable assumption based on more experienced eyes... it's worth exploring.

Not that that's the only criteria... which is why I'm still considering the March and taking a look at the Razor GIII.

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[Convex]

"If that's a reasonable assumption based on more experienced eyes... it's worth exploring."

Just like any optic anywhere, lenses, scopes, whatever, their performance is going to be filtered through a second optical system/the individual eyesight of the beholder.

The closer you are to 25, w/20-15 vision, w/no astigmatism, not color blind, or you're older and you've had a complete evaluation of your eyesight, the more willing I am to trust what you see not just what you know.

The problem w/having a problem w/your eyesight is not having a reference to compare your eyesight with and over time, you'll adjust to bad eyesight or whatever problems you have and this isn't me guessing, I went a month w/my right eye corrected w/an implant before I did the left eye and before that, my vision didn't look that bad, and of course after the surgery the vision in my left eye looked like SHIT.

Bottom line, which has been said before, if at all possible, nothing is going to beat what you think of these scopes after you've looked through them no matter w/anybody else sees.

 

[warp_foo]

"If that's a reasonable assumption based on more experienced eyes... it's worth exploring."

Just like any optic anywhere, lenses, scopes, whatever, their performance is going to be filtered through a second optical system/the individual eyesight of the beholder.

The closer you are to 25, w/20-15 vision, w/no astigmatism, not color blind, or you're older and you've had a complete evaluation of your eyesight, the more willing I am to trust what you see not just what you know.

The problem w/having a problem w/your eyesight is not having a reference to compare your eyesight with and over time, you'll adjust to bad eyesight or whatever problems you have and this isn't me guessing, I went a month w/my right eye corrected w/an implant before I did the left eye and before that, my vision didn't look that bad, and of course after the surgery the vision in my left eye looked like SHIT.

Bottom line, which has been said before, if at all possible, nothing is going to beat what you think of these scopes after you've looked through them no matter w/anybody else sees.

Absolutely agree on looking through, and given the option I will certainly do so. But around here, there are really only a couple of options:

Cabelas - typical sporting goods store selection. Mostly Leupold, Vortex, various other 'hunting' optics.
LGS - Vortex, not really much else.
Local ranges - I have honestly never seen much more than the typical Amazon stuff with Vortex tossed in now an again. I've seen one NF in person.

I've certainly not seen any S&B, ZCO, or TT in the metal.

So, I've done the next best thing. Ask in here for feedback and opinions from people who have had the benefit of looking through a number of brands and models. My vision is far from perfect, but at least the correction I need isn't massive.

I do appreciate your taking the time to respond.

m

 

[Convex]

I'm doing the same thing as you, getting as much due diligence as I can as I'm also "hamstrung" because nobody anywhere near me sells the scopes that I'm interested so I feel your pain, believe me which is why I made sure to add the qualifier...... "if possible"....... knowing full well it may not be possible.

I have someone local to me whose a long time long range shooter, and I bounce quite a bit of what I soak up on this venue and other venues off him, and I get additional feedback.


One BIG light at the end of the tunnel for me is I recently found a March dealer whose within driving distance from me who has actually has the scopes in hand, that I'm interested in so that makes things a bit easier for me.

Good luck on getting what you want.


"My vision is far from perfect, but at least the correction I need isn't massive."..... Believe me, this makes you a lucky guy.

 

[MarkyMark007]

For "universal scope" I would not want fine clicks. You only need fine clicks if you're shooting benchrest or possibly F Class where minute adjustments may be necessary, but for an all around scope, standard .1 mil will get you on target for anything sizeable that you would be shooting. Even many ELR shooters use .1 mil. Just my 2 cents

aha, ok.
I assume that this scope is for anything, from f-class to tactical. so clicks should be between 0.1MIL and 1/8 MOA, and to be metrical (european), only 0.05MIL is option. 0.1MIL is too much, imho.
but if someone want to have imperial units, 1/4 MOA is just between 0.1MIL and 1/8 MOA, so 1/4 MOA should be perfect for both worlds.

 

[Tortuga]

The other reason I like the Vortex is the VIP pricing, very hard to beat at that price. I like the MK5s too but they do not resolve like the other 2, but again, hard to beat them on VIP pricing. I am also a fan of the PR2 reticle.

So if you can get VIP pricing from Vortex, that would be my choice, prob the best bang for the buck in that class.

If you can get VIP on Leupold and Vortex, you should be able to get a discount on most brands. If the company is not on Expert Voice, reach out to the company to check. Some companies prefer to keep their discount close to the cuff. I can only think of a handful of optics companies that haven't offered a decent, if not generous discount for the usual groups.

 

[Convex]

One "itty bitty" reason contributing to my selection of the March, is they have accessory threads front/back, where I'm ordering MC UV filters which will go on permanently front/back, leaving the glass pristine from the day I get the scope. I can clean the protective filters if they ever need it, leaving the glass itself untouched.


BTW: Using plano-parallel Schott glass/99.5 % transmittance and multi/anti-reflective coating, the filter factor from a B+W or Heliopan filter will be so low as to discount it.

 

[warp_foo]

I'd like to thank everyone for taking time to reply. I appreciate all of the input.

After reading through all of the replies, studying specs, online reviews, and videos, it basically came down to two choices:

March FX 5-40 GII, or
Vortex Razor 6-36 GIII

...and in the end, I ordered the Vortex.

I'm sure I would have been quite happy with any of the scopes discussed, but the nod went to the Viper because, honestly, it was ~$1000 less than the March. The warranty also helped.

m

 

[Glassaholic]

I'd like to thank everyone for taking time to reply. I appreciate all of the input.

After reading through all of the replies, studying specs, online reviews, and videos, it basically came down to two choices:

March FX 5-40 GII, or
Vortex Razor 6-36 GIII

...and in the end, I ordered the Vortex.

I'm sure I would have been quite happy with any of the scopes discussed, but the nod went to the Viper because, honestly, it was ~$1000 less than the March. The warranty also helped.

m

Good choice, the March G2 locking turrets blow the Vortex G3 turrets away, but the Vortex G3 glass is a step above the March.

 

[MarkyMark007]

Good choice, the March G2 locking turrets blow the Vortex G3 turrets away, but the Vortex G3 glass is a step above the March.

what about DOF and paralax finkiness?

 

[Glassaholic]

what about DOF and paralax finkiness?

The edge goes to Vortex G3

 

[scopesfan]

Hi
I don't know how many people already reading this, maybe it helps:
https://marchscopes.com/news/8150/?...7FypTJNBbfZlMYmPGFoZQhgKkpvvSL5L7GyL6P4fP9xLM
I belive that may be 5-40 is better edge-to-edge clarity if 5-42. I learned something about my March 5-42HM.
Many thanks to Yasutoshi Nishikubo who re-adjusted my scope. After re-adjustment my scope is brilliant No more paralax finkiness and picture is perfect I have pictures before re-adjustment and after.
https://marchscopes.com/column/meet-the-lens-specialist-yasutoshi-nishikubo/
I spent many days and evenings to testing it side by side with S&B PM2 5-25,Hensoldt 3,5-26, Minox 5-25 and Wortex Razor AMG
Testing tables i set up in 100m, 200m, 300m, 400m, 500m and 600m.
Wortex was the worst

 

[scopesfan]

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[MarkyMark007]

I belive that may be 5-40 is better edge-to-edge clarity if 5-42. I learned something about my March 5-42HM.

I dont think it is fair to compare scopes with realy wide and narrow FOV and say that narrow FOV has better edge clearity; that's phisics I think.

 

[scopesfan]

Yes, you are absolutely right
I know that’s and sorry about my bad english