Self-timing or?

[TheBigCountry]

A little hung up on brakes and could use some help.

Im debating a self-timing brake (Area 419) vs non-self timing (YHM brake) for a rifle.

The Area 419 is more money up front for everything (brake plus adapter for my Resonator) but is self timing.

The YHM is cheaper, wouldn’t need an adapter for my can, BUT it is not self-timing; I would either need to have a smith install it and probably grab the Accu-Washer kit from Precision Armament? (Videos I have been watching don’t make mounting the brake with the washer look that hard).

So with all of that, my big question I am asking would be is going for the 419 self-timing brake and adapter better than going non self-timing with the YHM system?

 

[jcmullis2]

I’m not a smith but I think the importance of timing the brake has really been over played and is putting money in the pockets of the ones preaching that stuff. Look at arguably the best select fire rifle ever. It has a brake that works just fine. The port is at about 2:30. Spend your money how you choose but I don’t buy the latest and greatest blinker fluid just because I read it was important or someone else bought some after reading some bs. Then said it made all the difference in the world. You hear it’s better but it’s all subjective reports. Get the brake that meets your needs, try it out, and adjust as needed. First you a lock nut, they’re a couple of bucks and it’ll make life easier when you go adjusting things. Good luck

 

[spife7980]

If it’s just that one rifle it doesn’t matter. If you’re going to put it on, or get, more than one rifle then I would go 419. It’s really easy to swap. I’ve moved to the 419 system myself.

 

[jcmullis2]

If it’s just that one rifle it doesn’t matter. If you’re going to put it on, or get, more than one rifle then I would go 419. It’s really easy to swap. I’ve moved to the 419 system myself.

I’ve got a couple of hellfire brakes. I swap one between of my custom 6.5cm and a 6mm Cm at times. I also have a $35 eBay tanker style brake on my old r700 hunting rig in 260 remington. I can’t tell you which reduces recoil best, but neither has much recoil anyway. Having said that, I did just buy another hellfire. They’re really nice and good quality and you’re always better off with quality stuff.

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

I actually have both. To me, there is a noticeable difference in recoil reduction. Area 419 is obviously softer shooting. For whatever reason, I still like the YHM brake better for using with a suppressor. Even though the Area 419 system is well thought out and relatively simple, it's nice not having to fiddle dick around with switching parts out between brake and suppressor mount.

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

Where the Area 419 could really shine is if you owned a lot of different types or brands of suppressors with different mounting systems. I could really simplify mounting them.

 

[Steel head]

The self timing brakes are just so easy to install.

 

[mtnhunter22]

Ran non-self timing brakes for a bit and then switched everything over to self timing. Have a PVA jet blast as well as a couple hellfires. There’s a reason they are more and I am happy to pay the extra. So much easier using a self timing break as opposed to one that’s not.

 

[wade2big]

Ran non-self timing brakes for a bit and then switched everything over to self timing. Have a PVA jet blast as well as a couple hellfires. There’s a reason they are more and I am happy to pay the extra. So much easier using a self timing break as opposed to one that’s not.

I have a PVA jetblast brake that I have on one of my rifles. I don’t shoot with brakes much because even double plugged they are loud. I do like the PVA brake though. I think the Hellfire is much louder than the PVA and sold the one I I had after using it once. The worst brake I ever used in my life is the MPA brake. It will rattle the shooters teeth. If I competed Or had a big magnum I would use one more often. Dang I need a suppressor already.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

I'm using an Area 419 Hellfire and it is my opinion this is the way to go. Simple removal for cleaning, no tools.

VooDoo

 

[BuLLet]

Same here, go for the Hellfire. Brownells has them in stock I just ordered a 6.5 and 30 caliber from them. Area 419 has them all on back order.

I'm using an Area 419 Hellfire and it is my opinion this is the way to go. Simple removal for cleaning, no tools.

VooDoo

 

[PAYDIRT]

Sleeper rifle? AR-STONER $20 Show everyone at your range/match that you take this shit serious.

 

[308pirate]

Sleeper rifle? AR-STONER $20 Show everyone at your range/match that you take this shit serious.

WTF

 

[TheBigCountry]

Sleeper rifle? AR-STONER $20 Show everyone at your range/match that you take this shit serious.

Um what?

 

[308pirate]

If you're leaving the brake on one rifle there's little to no advantage to a self timing brake.

Those who have trouble tightening a brake against a locknut must have trouble tying their shoes as well......

 

[Steel head]

Sleeper rifle? AR-STONER $20 Show everyone at your range/match that you take this shit serious.

 

[NewsShooter]

Get a self timing brake, you could also look at muzzle brakes and more, he makes a nice brake and their a bit cheaper. I have three 419 brakes. If you shoot a lot you will want to take it off to clean the carbon build up, that's a real PIA on a timed brake.

 

[PAYDIRT]

Get a self timing brake, you could also look at muzzle brakes and more, he makes a nice brake and their a bit cheaper. I have three 419 brakes. If you shoot a lot you will want to take it off to clean the carbon build up, that's a real PIA on a timed brake.

I'm really thinking about a Ti Beast II. It's such a clean looking piece.

 

[iukamedic]

Shims and spacer can be a pain. My next will be self timing.

 

[zog]

I'm gonna impose on this thread for a curious question rather than to start a new subject . . . .

I just bought a self timed directional brake. I'm curious as to how important it is to be perfectly horizontal. My thought is that even if the brake is off by a few degrees, it should still offset itself and have neutral effect on muzzle flip. What would be the detrimental effect of having the directional brake a little off horizontal? Even 20 degrees off, wouldn't it still neutralize itself?

Mind you , I don't intend to be sloppy - I will be as precise and close to horizontal as I can get, just cuz I like things done that way; this is just something that crossed my mind as I was setting up to install the brake. Hopefully I won't be more than minutes off.

 

[BrienM]

I have 3 - 419 self timing brakes. I take them off everytime to clean. No problems. I have them locked on the adaptor and can usually break them loose without loosing my timing to the 5/8x24 adapter. Finish cleaning and spin them back on. Sweet brakes!

 

[XLR308]

I'm gonna impose on this thread for a curious question rather than to start a new subject . . . .

I just bought a self timed directional brake. I'm curious as to how important it is to be perfectly horizontal. My thought is that even if the brake is off by a few degrees, it should still offset itself and have neutral effect on muzzle flip. What would be the detrimental effect of having the directional brake a little off horizontal? Even 20 degrees off, wouldn't it still neutralize itself?

Mind you , I don't intend to be sloppy - I will be as precise and close to horizontal as I can get, just cuz I like things done that way; this is just something that crossed my mind as I was setting up to install the brake. Hopefully I won't be more than minutes off.

One of the few brakes I own is a Area419 hellfire that's on my 6.5x47.
A few months ago I had removed it for cleaning and when I put it back wasn't paying close enough attention and put it on canted
I made a ten shot string at 1200 yards at the end of my range trip and noticed it when packing up.
It didn't seem to have any negative effects that I could tell, but I definitely corrected it when I got home.