Service Rifle uppers nowhere to be found??

[tinker]

So years ago i owned a DCM style AR. I am kinda wanting another one and don't see any uppers for sale on GB and white oak etc are all out of stock for 20" service rifle style uppers.

Have these become not popular anymore? I can just build whatever i want and have plenty of spare parts on hand. But for some reason want something like the old std DCM style rifles and just can't seem to find any....

 

[smoothy8500]

WOA, Compass Lake, etc, are at Camp Perry vendor row with whatever they had available in stock...Unless you were asking about NM A2 uppers, cuz those have been unavailable for years.

 

[jpjulian]

tinker, if you are wanting an A2 style upper, it would seem few want them since optics are allowed now. I refused to go optic before retiring from the sport so I still have my A2's. That is likely why the good builders don't have any in stock, no or little demand.

 

[Krebaum]

pm sent, I have a new WOA A4 Service Rifle upper that I would sell

 

[tinker]

WOA, Compass Lake, etc, are at Camp Perry vendor row with whatever they had available in stock...Unless you were asking about NM A2 uppers, cuz those have been unavailable for years.

yeah NM A2 upper was my preferred choice. but i noticed out of stock.

 

[tinker]

tinker, if you are wanting an A2 style upper, it would seem few want them since optics are allowed now. I refused to go optic before retiring from the sport so I still have my A2's. That is likely why the good builders don't have any in stock, no or little demand.

Yeah i like the A2's Sad people aren't using them anymore.

I think optics is cheating in that class. I mean I love shooting precision with glass, don't get me wring. But for that it should just stay classic.

 

[higginsworksforme]

I think optics is cheating in that class. I mean I love shooting precision with glass, don't get me wring. But for that it should just stay classic.

You damn kids with your peep sights and windage adjustments!

 

[Modoc]

Yeah i like the A2's Sad people aren't using them anymore.

I think optics is cheating in that class. I mean I love shooting precision with glass, don't get me wring. But for that it should just stay classic.

You damn kids with your peep sights and windage adjustments!

Harumph! Little kids playing with Matel!

Dig out the Garand.

Talk about shooters to emulate.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Service rifle should have to be with a blade on the front a notched rear sight like the first service rifle comps. See where we can go with this.


Its called Service Rifle a discipline designed to enhance military marksmanship. So it uses what the military uses.

Get rid of the faggy jackets, gloves, super small match sights, match ammo, match uppers and have everone shoot m193 or M885 with rack grade M4's or M16's with an Acog or the new 1-6/8LPVO. Presidents 100 and Gov 20's should be earned by shooting practical COF with practical gear, and used as a trainning supplement to help people become better rifleman. And whats with the dumb ass 4.5x requirement. There are no military optics at that max power. Either make it 4X or let people use 8x.

 

[tinker]

Service rifle should have to be with a blade on the front a notched rear sight like the first service rifle comps. See where we can go with this.


Its called Service Rifle a discipline designed to enhance military marksmanship. So it uses what the military uses.

Get rid of the faggy jackets, gloves, super small match sights, match ammo, match uppers and have everone shoot m193 or M885 with rack grade M4's or M16's with an Acog or the new 1-6/8LPVO. Presidents 100 and Gov 20's should be earned by shooting practical COF with practical gear, and used as a trainning supplement to help people become better rifleman. And whats with the dumb ass 4.5x requirement. There are no military optics at that max power. Either make it 4X or let people use 8x.

yeah but doesn't the mil teams use the "faggy jackets" so that would make it mil.....

I just think optics is kinda cheating. Should be a separate class is all.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

yeah but doesn't the mil teams use the "faggy jackets" so that would make it mil.....

I just think optics is kinda cheating. Should be a separate class is all.

Well that is what the "sport" has become and its what is needed to stay competitive. Its not the services fault, they don't administer it. The NRA does. They have to play by "their rules".

What the US military should have did instead, is come up with a real competition for marksmanship rooted in what they do , with the tools they use.

The Military Shooting teams are nothing but part of the Services Advertising Budget. No different than the Nascar sponsorship or a TV commercial with a Marine Slaying a dragon. They also serve as a way to subsidize Olympic athletes, especially in sports and disciplines where there is no money to be made by doing it professionally.

If units going downrange are taking optics, thats what the competition should be based around. It needs to evolve with doctrine to stay relevant. Doesn't need to be the best range comp, but something that is focused on service rifle, not some arbitrary set of rules not rooted in reality.

 

[Rudy Gonsior]

Well that is what the "sport" has become and its what is needed to stay competitive. Its not the services fault, they don't administer it. The NRA does. They have to play by "their rules".

What the US military should have did instead, is come up with a real competition for marksmanship rooted in what they do , with the tools they use.

The Military Shooting teams are nothing but part of the Services Advertising Budget. No different than the Nascar sponsorship or a TV commercial with a Marine Slaying a dragon. They also serve as a way to subsidize Olympic athletes, especially in sports and disciplines where there is no money to be made by doing it professionally.

If units going downrange are taking optics, thats what the competition should be based around. It needs to evolve with doctrine to stay relevant. Doesn't need to be the best range comp, but something that is focused on service rifle, not some arbitrary set of rules not rooted in reality.

I this is hard.

 

[Rudy Gonsior]

yeah but doesn't the mil teams use the "faggy jackets" so that would make it mil.....

I just think optics is kinda cheating. Should be a separate class is all.

I get it’s fun to shoot old time iron sights but don’t forget that the deep purpose of service rifle competition is beyond your amusement or the pandering to old fuddy men. It is (rather should be) to maintain the nations superiority of the rifleman’s skillset. In my opinion the organizational bodies that influence/manage civilian marksmanship programs have done dismal job of maintaining that focus.

I have travelled the world working with and teach other foreign militaries and the collective over match in small arms development and application that is root in our culture does makes a difference. Few countries could claim to rival us and that won’t last forever at this rate.

 

[corsairpilot62]

If you’re looking for an awesome A2 upper. Fulton Armory gotcha covered. I have a Fulton A2 upper on an Armalite lower. Best AR-15 rifle i own. Outshoots the FN military Collectors (A4 and M4) as well as the colt socom.

 

[slick19]

Well that is what the "sport" has become and its what is needed to stay competitive. Its not the services fault, they don't administer it. The NRA does. They have to play by "their rules".

What the US military should have did instead, is come up with a real competition for marksmanship rooted in what they do , with the tools they use.

The Military Shooting teams are nothing but part of the Services Advertising Budget. No different than the Nascar sponsorship or a TV commercial with a Marine Slaying a dragon. They also serve as a way to subsidize Olympic athletes, especially in sports and disciplines where there is no money to be made by doing it professionally.

If units going downrange are taking optics, thats what the competition should be based around. It needs to evolve with doctrine to stay relevant. Doesn't need to be the best range comp, but something that is focused on service rifle, not some arbitrary set of rules not rooted in reality.

They have these matches and they’re .mil only. Winston P Wilson for the guard, AFSAM for active duty, guard, and international shooters. You’ve also got ISC and All Army. And the different COMBAT EIC matches which I’m fairly certain are .mil only.

Governor’s 20 is state dependent on how the match is run. TX does a match that mirrors Winston P Wilson. Some states shoot matches more like national match. Some states only do a Governor’s 10. But that’s not important.

Also, I would like to note that way back when National Match, Service Rifle, Presidents Hundred style matches started and they were almost entirely military, the military routinely used shooting coats on those extended range days and competitions.

 

[higginsworksforme]

Service rifle should have to be with a blade on the front a notched rear sight like the first service rifle comps. See where we can go with this.

Like my post references. [no autism]

 

[tinker]

I get it’s fun to shoot old time iron sights but don’t forget that the deep purpose of service rifle competition is beyond your amusement or the pandering to old fuddy men. It is (rather should be) to maintain the nations superiority of the rifleman’s skillset. In my opinion the organizational bodies that influence/manage civilian marksmanship programs have done dismal job of maintaining that focus.

I have travelled the world working with and teach other foreign militaries and the collective over match in small arms development and application that is root in our culture does makes a difference. Few countries could claim to rival us and that won’t last forever at this rate.

no i definitely feel it is more about how i feel. Why should ANY organization alter a style of match without my approval first.

 

[FredHammer]

WOA?

 

[tinker]

WOA?

would love to buy a WOA. They are out of stock on threaded one. Just hoping one will pop up on the for sale section for a deal.

 

[farwest]

Rock River Arms web site has Service NM A2 (backorder) and NM A4 (in stock) uppers at reasonable prices and are a good value.
Buds guns has a RRA LAR15 NM A2 .223 WYLDE - 20" Barrel, 10+1 Rounds in stock for about $1225.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

Well that is what the "sport" has become and its what is needed to stay competitive. Its not the services fault, they don't administer it. The NRA does. They have to play by "their rules".

What the US military should have did instead, is come up with a real competition for marksmanship rooted in what they do , with the tools they use.

The Military Shooting teams are nothing but part of the Services Advertising Budget. No different than the Nascar sponsorship or a TV commercial with a Marine Slaying a dragon. They also serve as a way to subsidize Olympic athletes, especially in sports and disciplines where there is no money to be made by doing it professionally.

If units going downrange are taking optics, thats what the competition should be based around. It needs to evolve with doctrine to stay relevant. Doesn't need to be the best range comp, but something that is focused on service rifle, not some arbitrary set of rules not rooted in reality.

CMP in 2016(?), not NRA, set the 4.5 power scope rule to match standard issue ACOGs. The Services don't shoot irons anymore.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

would love to buy a WOA. They are out of stock on threaded one. Just hoping one will pop up on the for sale section for a deal.

@tinker , contact Rock River or White Oak for NMA2 uppers I think their back order status may be because they don't make them often. Most new shooters are buying flattops for optics.

 

[tinker]

Sadly /i like the old school stuff. I still keep hoping a decent used one will pop up on here for sale. never know.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

When the flattop/optic craze started I bought a NMA2 upper receiver and front sight tower from someone who converted their A2 thinking I'd use it for something. Now I'm getting ready to convert a used White Oak upper (750 rounds maybe?) and a dedicated .22 LR upper to a flat tops. I'll still have 2 NMA2s, one with a fairly spent barrel that holds 10's at 100 yards and one that I lend out and used to shoot to 600.

 

[anon]

So years ago i owned a DCM style AR. I am kinda wanting another one and don't see any uppers for sale on GB and white oak etc are all out of stock for 20" service rifle style uppers.

Have these become not popular anymore? I can just build whatever i want and have plenty of spare parts on hand. But for some reason want something like the old std DCM style rifles and just can't seem to find any...

Wow. Just like that, the A2 is now an obsolete, vintage rifle. A White Oak pinned A2 must be worth something now. The Rock River site will accept an order for a NM receiver for about what a White Oak pinned receiver used to cost. The fine print says nothing is in stock, all items are built to order, delivery time depending on parts availability.

Anyhow, competing across the course, I need either an A4 with a scope or glasses with a special prescription if I actually want to aim the rifle instead of just pointing it.

I wonder when the last M16A2's were delivered to the military.

Best of luck to you.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

Wow. Just like that, the A2 is now an obsolete, vintage rifle. A White Oak pinned A2 must be worth something now.

Anyhow, competing across the course, I need either an A4 with a scope or glasses with a special prescription if I actually want to aim the rifle instead of just pointing it.

I wonder when the last M16A2's were delivered to the military.

Very few shoot iron sights anymore. I shot a 100 yard match last year with mine just to do it.

Not sure about deliveries but the A4 (flat top, removable handle, 20 inch barrel)was adopted in 1997. The adjustable stock was standardized in 2014. The Marines fully fielded M4s (ACOG, 14.5 inch barrel) in 2015.