Sidearms & Scatterguns SH handgun Dot Torture challenge

#101
Did better than I expected today, dropped 8 points on my first go, the 2nd time around did much better... This is a great drill, I had fudds at the range talking shit for shooting it so close (3 yards) they all said it was to easy, until I gave them a target to try! One dumbass put it out @ 10yards and was not hitting anything lol!
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Pilotscrappy said:
Did better than I expected today, dropped 8 points on my first go, the 2nd time around did much better... This is a great drill, I had fudds at the range talking shit for shooting it so close (3 yards) they all said it was to easy, until I gave them a target to try! One dumbass put it out @ 10yards and was not hitting anything lol! View attachment 7159858
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I would love to see what the targets look like for those first timers at 10 yards!!!
 
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Pilotscrappy said:
I had fudds at the range talking shit for shooting it so close (3 yards) they all said it was to easy, until I gave them a target to try! One dumbass put it out @ 10yards and was not hitting anything lol!
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LOLOL

I had a similar situation with a guy I shoot sporting clays with. Rarely shoots handguns and when he does he always goes to an indoor range, sets a bullseye 5 yards away and blasts at it with no rhyme or reason.

I told him one day, let's do the dot drill and he laughed when I explained how far away you started out.


He wasn't laughing by dot #2...…..


ETA looking at your targets it seems you clamped down harder on the gun the second time around. All that vertical stringing went away. I also noticed all your shots on the SHO drill (dot 5) were way left. I bet you cant the shit out of the gun. I would avoid that, try to keep the pistol upright and blade yourself to the target by taking a step fwd with the gun side foot when shooting with only one hand.
 
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308pirate said:
LOLOL

I had a similar situation with a guy I shoot sporting clays with. Rarely shoots handguns and when he does he always goes to an indoor range, sets a bullseye 5 yards away and blasts at it with no rhyme or reason.

I told him one day, let's do the dot drill and he laughed when I explained how far away you started out.


He wasn't laughing by dot #2...…..


ETA looking at your targets it seems you clamped down harder on the gun the second time around. All that vertical stringing went away. I also noticed all your shots on the SHO drill (dot 5) were way left. I bet you cant the shit out of the gun. I would avoid that, try to keep the pistol upright and blade yourself to the target by taking a step fwd with the gun side foot when shooting with only one hand.
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Thanks for the advice Im sure I was canting the gun like crazy cuz I was still standing in the isoceles stance when shooting one handed.

I'll work on my form etc on next outing and post results. Again thanks for the tips I need all the help I can get ??
 
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#109
Very good shooting @308pirate. You shoot that wheel gun well.

I shot the 3 yard line Friday again & cleaned it. I shot at 3 because I haven’t shot this drill in like 2 weeks. The shot timer stopped for some reason at 32.6 seconds & I told my buddy “Take your time. You’ve only got to beat 32.6 seconds.” The look on his face was priceless, LOL.

I PM’d one of the other shooter’s w/ a critique but he hasn’t responded to me so I’ve no idea whether he accepted my assessment of his performance or not. It was long & drawn out, but accurate.

I like to keep time w/ this drill because I’m goal oriented.
 
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Haven’t practiced with pistols in a few months. Yer all making me jealous. The rest of October is out due to rifle and match obligations, and it’s looking like just after Thanksgiving before I get to try this and show myself how out of practice I am. I am going to take my friend and make him shoot this too. He needs the challenge and practice too.

Those that carry regularly, have to keep the skills to at least to hit wtf is the target.
 
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WATERWALKER said:
Very good shooting @308pirate. You shoot that wheel gun well.

I shot the 3 yard line Friday again & cleaned it. I shot at 3 because I haven’t shot this drill in like 2 weeks. The shot timer stopped for some reason at 32.6 seconds & I told my buddy “Take your time. You’ve only got to beat 32.6 seconds.” The look on his face was priceless, LOL.

I PM’d one of the other shooter’s w/ a critique but he hasn’t responded to me so I’ve no idea whether he accepted my assessment of his performance or not. It was long & drawn out, but accurate.

I like to keep time w/ this drill because I’m goal oriented.
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I'm going to start keeping time but it will be a separate time for each dot. That makes more sense to me from an analytics perspective.
 
#118
My first attempt at the dot torture at 5 yards with a 5 second par time. I tried it at 7 yards and dropped 3, my very first shot on the group was an inch above the circle and the other 4 were basically a ragged hole and then dropped 2 on weak hand.I would have provided the target but the wind blew it away. LOL

I can’t shoot a rifle for shit but was an IDPA guy, pistols have always been my niche. Didn’t hurt shooting with a match grade barrel and apex trigger either.

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I printed out a lot of those sheets, It took a lot of ammo to shoot that thing. I was tired of loading mags as I had already shot my Vudoo a lot. I was doing the old 20 dot drill with it and couldn’t shoot one clean, I would have a random miss or two on every one.
 
#122
tlsmith22 said:
I printed out a lot of those sheets, It took a lot of ammo to shoot that thing. I was tired of loading mags as I had already shot my Vudoo a lot. I was doing the old 20 dot drill with it and couldn’t shoot one clean, I would have a random miss or two on every one.
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Don’t worry, this drill is very hard.
 
#126
Guys, stop timing yourselves until you can clean it repeatedly. Speed is absolutely not the point of this drill.

In any case most of the Tactical Timmy drills suck if you want to become a fast and accurate shooter.

Practical pistol competition drills like those in books by Ben Stoeger and Steve Anderson are much more effective.
 
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308pirate said:
Guys, stop timing yourselves until you can clean it repeatedly. Speed is absolutely not the point of this drill.

In any case most of the Tactical Timmy drills suck if you want to become a fast and accurate shooter.

Practical pistol competition drills like those in books by Ben Stoeger and Steve Anderson are much more effective.
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Good advice above. Speed w/ out accuracy is just noise & waste. Apply the fundamentals. It’s not magic. Good things will happen.

You’ve got to crawl before you can walk.
 
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If you use a shot timer too soon you will add a big stress factor that will degrade your accuracy before you have fundamentals locked down. If you do not add a timer after that point you will never be pushing to your fail point. At which point, back it off: time or distance and work to that point, etc.

Disciined range sessions are fantastic for building skill and maintaining proficiency.

That is why the dot torture is both torture and helpful.
 
#131
I did 6y and 10y with my Steyr LP5 PCP air pistol this morning. Top pic is a from 3Y on page 1.
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Pretty fun but I think it'd take some practice to get 100% at 10Y!
Not easy...shakey, found myself looking where I hit instead of watching the sights and following through like I'm supposed to.
Really flinched big time on the weak hand dot at 10y.
Did low ready this time instead of drawing. A mag reload takes 4-5 seconds.
Life has slowed so I'll have some time to get out with the centerfire pistols next.

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I was thinking I should mount up the Burris red dot up to the Steyr and see what if any difference that would make. I keep forgetting to mention that the specific right hand grip on the Steyr is super hard to hold in the weak hand.

Also think I should try this with my Benelli MP95 22rf semi, with and without RD, it has a neutral hand grip.

Just a thought, is to add another test on the same target paper, like 5 rounds from a rested position to see how accurate our pistols are at x distance and to check POI from POA. Maybe aim at the D in the word dot?
 
#135
Moved up to 7 yds last night and only dropped one so there's improvement! No pics because it was a fail; may as well have dropped 25. I think the trick is simply pure focus on fundamentals for the whole course of fire. Found my eye focus drifting to target to admire the holes, and that is when I dropped the one shot.
 
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Spicerack said:
Moved up to 7 yds last night and only dropped one so there's improvement! No pics because it was a fail; may as well have dropped 25. I think the trick is simply pure focus on fundamentals for the whole course of fire. Found my eye focus drifting to target to admire the holes, and that is when I dropped the one shot.
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The cart before the horse, LOL. That’s still good shooting from 7 yards.
 
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#137
S&W 43c .22LR. 3 yards 50/50. I didn't time it. I shot this the first range trip after I got it. I didn't have a holster so shot from low ready. Pretty sweet little revolver. :) I think I did the reloads by single loading from a handful of ammo from on top of a blue barrel. ;)

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New CZ P-10F Optics Ready. Bought it just about a month ago. Have put 828 rounds to date including the 50 used in this dot torture.

First time doing the drill with the P-10: 50/50 at 5 yards. I love this gun......

ETA: gun isn't completely stock......I changed the shitty front sight to a CZ custon .125" wide FO, did one of my aggressive grip stipples, modified the OEM guide rod to make it non-captured, and replaced the OEM recoil spring with an ISMI Glock 17 13 lb spring.

I also lightly deburred the trigger bar and disconnector and polished the tab on the slide release bar that holds the slide. Both of which only really just accelerated the break in period.

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#141
tlsmith22 said:
I printed out a lot of those sheets, It took a lot of ammo to shoot that thing. I was tired of loading mags as I had already shot my Vudoo a lot. I was doing the old 20 dot drill with it and couldn’t shoot one clean, I would have a random miss or two on every one.
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Well, did you ever try the dot torture drill? How did it go?
 
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308pirate said:
New CZ P-10F Optics Ready. Bought it just about a month ago. Have put 828 rounds to date including the 50 used in this dot torture.

First time doing the drill with the P-10: 50/50 at 5 yards. I love this gun......

ETA: gun isn't completely stock......I changed the shitty front sight to a CZ custon .125" wide FO, did one of my aggressive grip stipples, modified the OEM guide rod to make it non-captured, and replaced the OEM recoil spring with an ISMI Glock 17 13 lb spring.

I also lightly deburred the trigger bar and disconnector and polished the tab on the slide release bar that holds the slide. Both of which only really just accelerated the break in period.

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Nice shooting. Have you thought about changing out your trigger? I put the HBI trigger in my p10c and love it.
 
#145
kriller134 said:
Nice shooting. Have you thought about changing out your trigger? I put the HBI trigger in my p10c and love it.
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It was on my list of mods but I'm passing on it for now.

From everything I've read and have been told, all the HBI trigger itself does is reduce pre-travel. It doesn't reduce reset distance or change how the wall feels (both of which are fine as they come, for me). Pre-travel doesn't bother me one bit, being used to DA revolvers and DA/SA semi autos.

I've picked out quite a bit of learning on this trigger just by reading threads on Brian Enos forum from the early adopters.

The HBI trigger does come with some lighter striker springs, which is the only thing of theirs I would want but they don't sell them separately. So when I do change the striker spring, I'll just use a Glock Store striker spring.

I did some quick polishing of the sear surfaces and right now my trigger breaks at 4 lbs 12 oz to 4 lbs 14 oz.
 
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#146
Finally cleaned it for the first time, with a Ruger Mark IV Hunter at 3 yards. And almost cleaned it with a Sig P226 Navy (but using the wrong version because I forgot there was a separate SA/DA drill, oops). Next time, 5 yards.

There’s an annoying bug in the forum software that doesn’t recognize image orientation when I upload stuff from the iPhone.


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#148
NPV said:
Had to go and drop 1 maybe 2 (depending how you score it) weak hand. Almost cleared at 4 yards.

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Believe it or not, the easiest way to correct slamming the trigger while shooting one-handed is to float the pinky. Float the little finger like an Englishman drinking tea, - or a P320 shooter drinking a beer.
 
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WATERWALKER said:
Believe it or not, the easiest way to correct slamming the trigger while shooting one-handed is to float the pinky. Float the little finger like an Englishman drinking tea, - or a P320 shooter drinking a beer.
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I believe it, it forces you to vice the trigger to rear rather than squeeze it. If that makes sense.

That wasn’t my issue though, a massive flinch got me I called it as soon as the bullet left the gun.
 
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