So, I have a buyer interested in buying one of my handguns (G17). Problem is he lives in California and I live in Nebraska. Is it even possible to get it to him since the handgun is not a registered california handgun. In most other states is as simple as shipping the handgun to an FFL from my FFL and calling it good. What can I do or should I do to get it California?
Shipping a handgun to a buyer in California - Process? impossible?
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Depends if it's on the roster, Glocks gen 3 are on the roster. And yes the safest( if not only ) way to would be FFL to FFL.
Is he law enforcement? If he is, then yes you can ship it to him. Law enforcement is exempt from the roster. If he’s a normal person then no.
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I would refer the buyer to the calguns forum for education...
LEO is $399 for a basic blue label... at that price, no one is buying used...
As I understand it in CA
LEO can not sell off roster guns purchased with credentials to non LEO...
Just like LEO cannot sell mags over 10 rounds purchased with credentials to non LEO
They can/could but if so many a year it raises a red flag as the state started cracking down on it over the past couple years from LEO's abusing the law and selling off roster guns for profit.
No idea what a blue label means.
Unless something changed recently, off roster doesn't mean illegal to own, buy, or sell.
Those items are in a different category and most of which LEO can't even own unless its specifically used for duty.
As stated above too many can raise flags. Otherwise your g2g.
As a resident of some other state, whatever Californians can or cannot buy is none of your concern.
It's HIS (the buyer) responsibility to know what he can buy or what he can't.
If I were you I'd sell it to him, shippable to his FFL and NON-REFUNDABLE under any conditions, only after he pays you with a USPS Money Order. Ship the gun to his FFL once you deposit the money. Once you have the money, the gun is his problem.
It's HIS (the buyer) responsibility to know what he can buy or what he can't.
If I were you I'd sell it to him, shippable to his FFL and NON-REFUNDABLE under any conditions, only after he pays you with a USPS Money Order. Ship the gun to his FFL once you deposit the money. Once you have the money, the gun is his problem.
An FFL is NOT required on the shipping end by Federal law and there are very few states that require it.
I don't know why that myth won't die.
Interesting because the paperwork here in CA requires both parties to fill out paperwork, in person. So, not sure how you would get around that.
Yes but CA laws are so fucked, its hard to know what is and isn't legit. Best to run everything through an FFL.
I bought a stripped DPMS 308 lower one time and upon arriving to my FFL they said it was illegal because it had the panther logo on it and was specified on the list of illegal "Assault weapons" so I needed to find the same thing but without the cat.
Another time the same thing happened with a stripped pistol lower, except this was an in state transfer, from a manufacturer who is also in California. Some bullshit regulation somewhere says no.
That only applies to certain types of Leo like department of fish and game, dmv, fire.... if you’re a standard Leo as in city or county or state you can sell as long as you’re under the yearly limit. That doesn’t stop people from selling though.
My state doesn't require me to use an FFL to ship. I don't live in CA, so California can't penalize me for not using an FFL to ship to CA.
I'm not sure why you don't seem to get what I'm saying here.
I get what your saying.
You don't give a Fuck, fuck the buyer and anyone else involved.
In that case, can you send me some ammo?
It’s not a state requirement here either. It’s just that some shitty gun shops like to make up their own rules.
I think the reason that the myth won't die is that too many dealers won't receive from a non- dealer, just because they think it makes their book easier. Then they try to say it's the law. We all know in most states all that is neccessary is sellers name and address, usually done with a copy of a driver's license. But even in free states, I've heard that myth repeated.
There is a good reason for it.
There is what the official Federal regulations say.
Then there is what the ATF decides to interpret and you do as they say or how do you like getting a full audit each month till they find something to shut you down?
Around the southern states, quite some years ago the ATF let it be known rather clearly that FFLs should not send their FFL paperwork to a non FFL and it was "suggested" that they try to mostly accept only from FFLs.
So you'll be hard pressed around my area to find any FFL that will accept from an individual, that's just the way it is.
just about all of them, including the LGS that I am well acquainted with the manager of will only accept from an FFL.
That being said, I pretty much now only ship FFL to FFL because generally their fee is made up for the fact they can often use cheaper shipping options.
I understand some folks have a hard time finding an FFL to ship from. My suggestion is that means you need to work on getting to know some FFLs really well, buy accessories and guns for them, give them a bit of business etc.
I also find that it's actually for the most part simpler to simply sell my guns on consignment at my local FFL than deal with internet sales unless it's a more rare niche item. Their 15% fee is more than made up for by them getting more money for things since they take credit cards.
Right, technically not a ppt. because it's coming from another FFL and also why it has to conform to the roster.
We cancelled the deal because of all the red tape involved. So....... anyone want to buy a G17 Gen4 "customized" lol
I'd love to, will you ship to California?
Regarding our BS roster and roster exempt individuals- A LEO can legally sell an off roster pistol to a nonexempt person as long as the deal is done in person (person to person transfer) at an FFL. The pistol would still have to be legal for the person to posses and not violate our equally BS "assault pistol" laws. The state does frown on it, and did prosecute both a law enforcement officer and FFL in the Sacramento area for doing multiple transfers. I don't remember how many, but it was a lot. Clearly more guns than could be explained as, I bought it for myself and didn't like it, for the sixth time.
An off roster pistol can also be gifted to a nonexempt person from out of state so long as the transfer is done between two linear descendant family members. IE grandparent to grandchild, parent to child, child to parent etc. Siblings, cousins, etc do not qualify.
The REALLY crappy thing is that CA feels that it can prosecute the shippers of certain items from out of state. I don't know what the end result was, but I know CA sued several out of state retailers for shipping things into CA years ago. I want to say that was in regards to standard capacity magazine components, but I'm unsure about that.
Regarding our BS roster and roster exempt individuals- A LEO can legally sell an off roster pistol to a nonexempt person as long as the deal is done in person (person to person transfer) at an FFL. The pistol would still have to be legal for the person to posses and not violate our equally BS "assault pistol" laws. The state does frown on it, and did prosecute both a law enforcement officer and FFL in the Sacramento area for doing multiple transfers. I don't remember how many, but it was a lot. Clearly more guns than could be explained as, I bought it for myself and didn't like it, for the sixth time.
An off roster pistol can also be gifted to a nonexempt person from out of state so long as the transfer is done between two linear descendant family members. IE grandparent to grandchild, parent to child, child to parent etc. Siblings, cousins, etc do not qualify.
The REALLY crappy thing is that CA feels that it can prosecute the shippers of certain items from out of state. I don't know what the end result was, but I know CA sued several out of state retailers for shipping things into CA years ago. I want to say that was in regards to standard capacity magazine components, but I'm unsure about that.
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It’s not a private party transaction if a cA resident buys a gun out of state.
If a CA resident buys an out of state gun, then the gun ships the gun to a CA FFL who processes the DROS.
The gun must be legal to be sold/ advertised for sale in California.
For handguns- it has to be on the approved roster.
blue label is the program where manufacturers sell guns to officers at a discounted price. Sworn LEO can typically buy a G17 with 3 standard mags for $399 from a participating Blue Label dealer.
So I'll just throw my two cents in.
I manage a gunshop. We FULLY understand that we can receive items from individuals. It IS store policy that all firearms come from an FFL. That does a couple things for us.
1. We know that everything on the up and up on the sellers side. And our FFL info isn't just in the wind somewhere.
2. We know that everything will be packaged correctly with all info we need.
For the most part although FFLs do the damndest things sometimes.
WE DO NOT SHIP ANYTHING TO CALIFORNIA. I went through that ass pain once for a good customer of ours and went through so much crap between CA DOJ and the FFL that we will never do that again.
I manage a gunshop. We FULLY understand that we can receive items from individuals. It IS store policy that all firearms come from an FFL. That does a couple things for us.
1. We know that everything on the up and up on the sellers side. And our FFL info isn't just in the wind somewhere.
2. We know that everything will be packaged correctly with all info we need.
For the most part although FFLs do the damndest things sometimes.
WE DO NOT SHIP ANYTHING TO CALIFORNIA. I went through that ass pain once for a good customer of ours and went through so much crap between CA DOJ and the FFL that we will never do that again.
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