Hunting & Fishing Shoot or pass???

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    I live and hunt in South Texas. I know people show pictures and videos of monstrous bucks around here. Honestly though, in all my lifetime, I have never seen anything close to a 150 in the areas I hunt. Not even on trail cameras at night. It's been 8 seasons that I don't shoot a deer simply because the ones I see are not up to my standard. This 8 has been showing up on the camera and has come out a few times while I'm in the deer blind but have passed on him. I assume him to be 3.5 to 4.5 years and would love to take him out in a year or two. If I pass on him, I risk the possibility of him being harvested by neighbors. I also risk the ranch owner not leasing us her land next season. I honestly don't want or need the meat. I have been and still am searching for a buck worth showing, a 150 class. What would you do?

    shoot or pass???

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    yes, i can imagine going 8 years. think of all the work you got out of....gutting, draggine, skinning, and butchering. lol. i like and eat a lot of venison, but even if i dont kill one, somehow i always get stuck butchering everyone else's deer.

    if you want to kill big bucks, you have to be willing to eat tag soup. i did this year. and it aint no where near the first time. lol.
     
    I live and hunt in south Texas, that one would be a pass for me. This year has been especially weird, have t even seen the rutt yet where I am, I’m probably not going to take anything this year just to get them a chance to do what they need to. You haven’t had any spikes or cull bucks at all?
     
    I pass on a ton of deer every year, I've killed three bucks in the past five years. I hunt for the challenge and I enjoy it whether I kill a buck or not. I won't kill a buck I don't intend to eat but I also don't need the meat so there is little pressure to fill the tag. At the end of the day its your decision, as long as its legal and ethical no one can tell you what to do or not do. As mentioned before, if you're in it for the age class or antlers and have to ask, let him walk.
     
    I live and hunt in south Texas, that one would be a pass for me. This year has been especially weird, have t even seen the rutt yet where I am, I’m probably not going to take anything this year just to get them a chance to do what they need to. You haven’t had any spikes or cull bucks at all?

    So many spikes are out and about. There's a 3 that shows up, a small and very young 8, and just a few other young bucks. The spikes and this 8 shown in the pictures are in full rut. I had the 8 last Sunday chasing 7 does. A very interesting thing to witness.

    Let him walk. You will never kill 150 inch deer if you shoot them young.

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    I've also gone 8 years without shooting them young ones and have yet to even see anything good. But yeah, I think I've made up my mind. This guy will walk. I'd love to see him in 2 years.
     
    So many spikes are out and about. There's a 3 that shows up, a small and very young 8, and just a few other young bucks. The spikes and this 8 shown in the pictures are in full rut. I had the 8 last Sunday chasing 7 does. A very interesting thing to witness.



    I've also gone 8 years without shooting them young ones and have yet to even see anything good. But yeah, I think I've made up my mind. This guy will walk. I'd love to see him in 2 years.



    That is is what I would do, wipe the little retards off the map. Keep the good genes doing what the male deer needs to do. I’m glad you have them in rut, as far as I can tell we are still not there in Victoria. Best of luck
     
    It's actually simple. If he is 4 years old deer he will not get much bigger than this. If this is the biggest deer you have seen or shot, shoot it. One, you take it out of the Gene Pool. Making room for bigger ones. Secondly, when you come across a very young one this size you will be able to pass and let it grow.
     
    Tons of potential on that one I'd guess. With proper nutrition, he could blow up in the next year or two. Depends on how much work you're willing to put in on him knowing you could lose him. I feed three monsters here and the father of at lest two of them. I'm after him cause he's old deer. I've let the others walk away hoping a neighbor doesn't kill them. Time will tell if they live, but I feel I made the right decision. The does, on the other hand, need thinning.
     
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    Last time we saw him was on a trail cam pic dated back to the 15th of December. From my experiences, it's not worth feeding protein or nutrition. I've gone 8 seasons not killing anything because they are just shy, etc. This guy already disappeared as did a whole bunch of other smaller bucks. I should have harvested him myself. Anyhow, on the 30th, a small 8 came out and I wiped him out lol. Seeing as how everything has disappeared, it was either me harvesting him or the neighbors...
     
    I have the same issues. I have let several pass over the years and then find out the lease next door took them. It's a tough call! I got a 153 two seasons ago. Had never seen him and no pics. Freak deal! Was there at the right time. Can't get them from the couch! Keep with your gut and enjoy every hunt! Good luck this season!
     
    I don't hunt now because of age and health, and when I did, I never shot a buck. Mostly it was because the Cornell Hunting Preserve required their extra heavily regulated hunters to qualify for taking a buck by taking two doe first. But that never bothered me, because I was never interested in trophies; it was the meat I was after. The only use I had for antlers was for rattling, and I got all I wanted from picking up sheds.

    Since then, off the Cornell Preserve, I've shot some big doe, and some smaller, and my meat preference was for smaller; the meat is better. The last doe I shot was escorting two yearlings, and dressed out as the largest deer of 14 hanging in the barn after opening weekend. The way our family hunt group worked, we cut meat together, and shared the meat out equally, and a fair share of folks were eating on my doe.

    This pleases me greatly.

    Yes, I passed up shots; but that was mainly because the deer were moving erratically, the terrain is heavily wooded with a fair amount of vertical, and I couldn't be certain of a humane kill. Besides, long shots, 150yd and up, are rare to practically non-existent in the Central NY terrain.

    Central New York is rotten with Whitetails, and large ones, too (or was before I left in late Spring 2016), and prolific hunting was still unable to prevent a lot of Winter kills. To me that means that Winter was a significant genetic moderator (and should be).

    Predators should be, too.

    There is a significant Coyote presence, they get very big in the cold climate just like the deer (survival in Upstate NY Winters requires that the animals have greater mass), and their numbers are also expanded by a relatively new Red Wolf population spreading down from Quebec.

    If the predators are there, then there's a reliable food supply, and that definitely includes the surplus deer.

    I welcome the predators and have flatly refused to kill them myself; others are free to do so if they wish; but I honestly believe that the deer overpopulation directly reflects historic predator eradication. I believe that knocked natural selection out of the picture and placed an insoluble necessity on hunting as a population control on deer.

    So I worry less about hunters as a genetic selector, and root for the coyote and wolf expansion that nature itself is prompting.

    I also realize that is tough on livestock and pets, and may jeopardize small humans, and I don't have a valid answer to such questions.

    Greg
     
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    How many acres do you hunt and how close are the neighbors? The reason I ask is I live near Pike county IL and see so many people pass on nice bucks thinking they will be bigger next year but odds are, the neighbor kills it most of the time. I laugh at a couple trophy hunters at work that have passed some nice deer but they claim they are managing deer. Then one day I asked how much acreage they were hunting. They were trying to manage deer on a 40 acre farm lol. I just laugh when I see the pics of a 10 point or bigger deer they let walk.
     
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    I live and hunt in South Texas. I know people show pictures and videos of monstrous bucks around here. Honestly though, in all my lifetime, I have never seen anything close to a 150 in the areas I hunt. Not even on trail cameras at night. It's been 8 seasons that I don't shoot a deer simply because the ones I see are not up to my standard. This 8 has been showing up on the camera and has come out a few times while I'm in the deer blind but have passed on him. I assume him to be 3.5 to 4.5 years and would love to take him out in a year or two. If I pass on him, I risk the possibility of him being harvested by neighbors. I also risk the ranch owner not leasing us her land next season. I honestly don't want or need the meat. I have been and still am searching for a buck worth showing, a 150 class. What would you do?

    shoot or pass???

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    Pass. You pretty much summed up theres no reason to shoot.Not big enough, not old enough, and you don't need the meat.
     
    I feel your pain. I haven’t shot a buck that wasn’t a cull in six years. I would pass on that one. If I’m not going to put it on the wall I let it get enough age to see its potential at around 5.5-6.5 years old. Enjoy the hunt.