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Hunting & Fishing Shoot Slow----as fast as you can

kraigWY

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having never experienced that kind of fear before...i think my voice would also go a couple octaves up. that was fawked up. whats with these PH's not advocating the use of semi auto 12 or 10 gauge shotties loaded up with 00buck on short barrels for stuff like this? damn double rifles would be the downfall of mankind
 
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Duck......where does that line of thinking lead?

PETA sees no reason for us to hunt at all!

Leopards have population limits and can become quite damaging of livestock. They have value, therefore they will be somewhat protected from poaching.
 
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Fuck PETA. We dont have to use their idiotic ideology to set our parameters.

I cant necessarily give a good reason, but something doesnt feel right to me either, hunting big cats. Maybe predators hunting predators in general.

Self defense, wouldnt think twice, but I have no desire to kill cats.

Its legal, and assuming the population can sustain it, go for it. But not me.
 
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Unless a animal is on the verge of going extinct if you want it to flurish hunt them. I would like to hunt leopard just for the challenge and the sweet rug that would come from it. Easy to talk shit when your not the one getting charged by the most ruthless of the big five.
 
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I am not against hunting. I am against tools that appear to head on an African game hunt with more money than skills. Tburkes posted a bunch of filled tags from his past Safari. No crazy videos from that one because he and his daughter were proficient and knowledgeable about bullets/ballistics and anatomy of the animal.

Those guides down there often have to clean up the mess in which some people put groups. I'm all for hunting if it is legal. However, this was not a cape buffalo. As stated above, one prudently placed shot would have put that cat down for the count. This guy got what he deserved.

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Been on alot of leopard hunts to know how it goes. Look at how many people have to track deer and make follow up shots. The only difference is that the big five will fight back. I think you would be surprised at how many very compitent PH have had close calls. You just done show up in africa and go hunting it is not like these guys dont know what the hell they are doing. This video is from about 2 years ago and the safari operation that PH ran is still going so not like this is a fly by night operation. Bad shots happen and dont care who you are if you have never had a animal run off you have not hunted very much.
 
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That cat wasn't going down alone and took them by complete surprise. That was truly a check your shorts moment.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is plainly obvious that some of the previous posters would be well served by reading a Peter Capstick novel or two. </div></div>

The irony involved in that statement made me chuckle... however true it may be.
 
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When the guy was kicking the leopard off of him, he almost got shot. I'd say he's very fortunate. Pretty "sporty" situation indeed, but I guess that's what you sign up for when you go for the big 5. LOL, gotta make that first one (or 3) count.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unless a animal is on the verge of going extinct if you want it to flurish hunt them. I would like to hunt leopard just for the challenge and the sweet rug that would come from it. Easy to talk shit when your not the one getting charged by the most ruthless of the big five. </div></div>

I totally agree. That would be an awesome rug... not for my house. After watching that I have no balls left to even think of trying that unless I'd shoot out of a helicopter (which is not the way I hunt) so it's a no go for me.
 
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I'm impressed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lex Luther</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn, he did scream like a little girl, and that cat seemed to come from no-where </div></div>

Wonder where he got his camo?
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I'd like to think that I'd not scream like a girl, but I'm not gonna sit here and swear to it either.

That'll be a story he can tell for the rest of his life.

And I think he did come w/i an inch or two of having his foot shot off.

Someday I may get the opportunity ($$), I'd jump at it if I could.
 
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Been in some hairy situations before, falls, dog attack, high speed car crash, motorcycle wreck, but no angry leopards. That said, I have not yet made a sound when involved in a life-threatening situation, as I have always been too busy trying to remain alive to be afraid. Different folks react different ways, and they can't help it. I'm glad I am not a screamer or panicky. Mom is, she used to make me crazy with that shit.
 
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$10,000 + to hunt big cats. If I ever had that kind of $$$ to blow... I'd hunt one with a bow.

Even hunting deer, it's not dead till it's dressed. I've seen what a dead deer can do to a Ford LTD
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every time i watch this i see more things that make no sense . 1 . going in after a wounded leapord wearing shorts and a t shirt ? where are the shotguns ? from the camera angle it looks like all the shots fired as it comes in miss it by a mile , makes me wonder if there really was a a PH there .seems like there should be @ least 2 pro s in a group this size .

if i could afford it ,i would love the chance to hunt one of the greatest predators on the planet
 
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HAHAHA!!! Awesome Video!!! I wonder if people use double rifles on Grizzly Bears? With those beasts I think that hunter would be "game over" with the first bite. Lucky to have only broken a wrist!
 
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There was one guy that had a pump shotgun.

I will hunt a couple of the big 5 someday. I just hope that I can get my business going up big enough to afford it before it becomes illegal.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hard to practice for this:

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Been watching lion charges lately and started wondering to myself how someone prepares for that. I can't think of a training situation that would prepare you for a charging carnivore such as a big cat. I didn't realize how much damage the cat caused until it showed everything. Hell he was only on him for a couple of seconds. Things are downright ferocious.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unless a animal is on the verge of going extinct if you want it to flurish hunt them. I would like to hunt leopard just for the challenge and the sweet rug that would come from it. Easy to talk shit when your not the one getting charged by the most ruthless of the big five.</div></div>

Agreed. I'd also like to take a Lion, leopard, or something of the sort. Really want to go to Africa in my lifetime. Yeah lot of people being a little harsh. Also note the little amount of time the animal was on the man. He now has a broken wrist, gashes, and bite marks on his sternum, had the cat actually bit and not just punctured him it could've been a different story.

We never saw the first shot did we? For all we know the reason the leopard isn't dead is because they shot him on a charge. Acting like a leopard is something easily taken down is also a little stretched. I'm not sure about the second video but it looks as though the lion gets shot right before jumps roles over and runs off. There is a longer version IIRC that shows that the man actually shot him in the head.

As for reason's to hunt game like this? Passion, adrenaline, drive, you name it. It's an obsession to be able to hunt a animal that has an opportunity to kill you, that is a major predator of the animal kingdom.

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The other night on the outdoor channel an south African guide mentioned these animals can cover 75yds in 4 seconds easy. If you notice in the videos they're mighty quick.
 
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This would be a high pucker factor.


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I understand the need for predator control. I don't kill a predator unless its in an area i hunt and poses as competition with me for the game I'm after. Other than that i don't believe in killing an animal I'm not going to eat. As far as I'm concerned guys that pay thousands of dollars to travel across seas for the adrenaline rush of hunting a dangerous animal they are not going to eat get what they deserve when they get mauled. Hard not to root for the Leopard when the poor thing was just trying to defend itself. If a local guy takes one out because its a threat to their livestock or game animals they harvest to eat than that's a different ballgame. My opinion and I know everyone is subject to their own ethics, but as far as I'm concerned that dude had it coming.
 
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And if there was no monetary value in the leopard or lions they would have been gone long ago. With out the money that hunters provide for the conservation and protection of those animals they would be wiped out by poachers and locals. So it is ok for you to shoot a yote that is in competition with you but maybe that lion was going to eat the zebra that guy was going to shoot later. Do as i say not as i do kind of thing
 
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No not at all. I understand the need for proper management. But you don't see me taking $10,000 from a dude in Africa to fly him over hear to shoot a Coyote in my back yard that i can do myself. You can justify it however you want but you know as well as i do that the guys going over there to shoot a big cat aren't doing it just to help out the locals.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No not at all. I understand the need for proper management. But you don't see me taking $10,000 from a dude in Africa to fly him over hear to shoot a Coyote in my back yard that i can do myself. You can justify it however you want but you know as well as i do that the guys going over there to shoot a big cat aren't doing it just to help out the locals.</div></div>

Regardless of the motive the fact is the money does go to helping the survival of the animal.
 
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BS. Thats like saying if you started charging $10,000 for a wolf hunt in Montana that it would preserve them.

I won't comment anymore in this thread out of respect for the OP and to not take it further off track. Everyone has the right to their own code of ethics and opinion, i respect that right but also disagree.
 
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Perhaps the equipment for dangerous game hunting should be limited to single-shot rifles... that might make it fair and bring some honor back to the sport.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dangedan87</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like watching rich people hunt....or whatever its called </div></div>I think it's called watching lions and leopards hunt.
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You can take the cat out of the fight, but ...
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I would think 10 grand limits the animal from from being killed by your average joe, along with going into breeding them. Maybe that's cheap for a animal of that nature but it sounds expensive to me.

Also i would really want a side by side to hunt a animal like that. I wouldn't want to rely on bolting the rifle if the animal charges. I guess each has there own benefits.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would think 10 grand limits the animal from from being killed by your average joe, along with going into breeding them. Maybe that's cheap for a animal of that nature but it sounds expensive to me.

Also i would really want a side by side to hunt a animal like that. I wouldn't want to rely on bolting the rifle if the animal charges. I guess each has there own benefits. </div></div>


I am going to go on a leapord hunt soon, I have the money but I am not bringing a rifle.
I am growing out my finger nails and getting my teeth sharpened, I want it to be a fair fight!!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a-hull</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I am going to go on a leapord hunt soon, I have the money but I am not bringing a rifle.
I am growing out my finger nails and getting my teeth sharpened, I want it to be a fair fight!!!</div></div>
I'm not sure how this applies to what i was saying. I wasn't stating that a side by side would be more fair. I was saying it's my personal preference in the case of a charge the second shot would be damn near simultaneous..

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a-hull</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I am going to go on a leapord hunt soon, I have the money but I am not bringing a rifle.
I am growing out my finger nails and getting my teeth sharpened, I want it to be a fair fight!!!</div></div>
I'm not sure how this applies to what i was saying. I wasn't stating that a side by side would be more fair. I was saying it's my personal preference in the case of a charge the second shot would be damn near simultaneous..

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It doesn't. I was only saying what I want to do to make the hunt more fun, and fair for the cat.
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The guy relied to much on his gun. When the cat was that close, he should have used a judo chop to the neck, followed by a rear naked choke.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a-hull</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It doesn't. I was only saying what I want to do to make the hunt more fun, and fair for the cat.
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The guy relied to much on his gun. When the cat was that close, he should have used a judo chop to the neck, followed by a rear naked choke. </div></div>

I see lol
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a-hull</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It doesn't. I was only saying what I want to do to make the hunt more fun, and fair for the cat.
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The guy relied to much on his gun. When the cat was that close, he should have used a judo chop to the neck, followed by a rear naked choke. </div></div>You posted that you are going on a leopard hunt. Have you hunted in Africa? Are you really going on a leopard hunt, or was that also meant as a joke?