Shooters Global Pulse -> electronic level -shoot diagnostics tool

[Mr.BR]

SG Pulse electronic level presented at IWA seems that it will be eating the MDT/Send it level for breakfast and doing it for 150$.

Given SG has great timers as well i suspect some time down the line we might see a unit linked to their existing timer with some audible countdown function.

 

[dgheriani]

I honestly don't really see the use of the ACI being that it only displays in the phone/app, same for "stability". The price difference between this and the Send It is the difference between US manufacturing and chicom manufacturing...

 

[TheOE800]

The price difference between this and the Send It is the difference between US manufacturing and chicom manufacturing...

It’s just MDT’s markup. The levels hit ~$160ish from dropshippers at times.

 

[Mr.BR]

I honestly don't really see the use of the ACI being that it only displays in the phone/app, same for "stability". The price difference between this and the Send It is the difference between US manufacturing and chicom manufacturing...

The prone app features are not as much meant for real-time uses, more for analytics and remote programing and like said given they work with blue tooth i would be supprised it they are not hooked to their timers next.

This device is magnitudes more complex than send it . These are manufactured in Poland EU ,not China

If you'd order ''send it'' with chicoms with the same exact electronic components and OEM cost would be in the low 20$ range.

 

[6.5SH]

SG Pulse electronic level presented at IWA seems that it will be eating the MDT/Send it level for breakfast and doing it for 150$.

Given SG has great timers as well i suspect some time down the line we might see a unit linked to their existing timer with some audible countdown function.

Sort of a combo of the SendIT and the MantisX

 

[Mr.BR]

 

[Trevor300wsm]

I’d definitely try one. With the 10% discount it’s $135 compared to MDT’s fuck all nonsense of $229.

 

[Mr.BR]

I’d definitely try one. With the 10% discount it’s $135 compared to MDT’s fuck all nonsense of $229.

For folks in Europe, 'send it' is close to 340$ so this will be quite a bargain in comparison. Will absolutely murder MDT level sales over here.

*From what i have seen MDT might get some stiff competition with bipods as well.Not to mention scope mounts Ukrainans had a bunch of very fancy ones at bargain prices.

 

[db2000]

I’d definitely try one. With the 10% discount it’s $135 compared to MDT’s fuck all nonsense of $229.

At some point, it would be nice if firearms companies didn’t take $3 technology and turn it into $230 retail because their name precedes them. $3 may be a little facetious but at any rate, it’s gouging IMO.
7” piece of milled and coated aluminum…$60

 

[Chappies]

For folks in Europe, 'send it' is close to 340$ so this will be quite a bargain in comparison. Will absolutely murder MDT level sales over here.

*From what i have seen MDT might get some stiff competition with bipods as well.Not to mention scope mounts Ukrainans had a bunch of very fancy ones at bargain prices.

What bipods compare to the ckye pod?

 

[Turbwhistle]

I ordered 2 when i first saw the preorder, I received them today and started messing with them. I run a send it with a 90degree mount on my main gun, i have found so far that the send it is much simpler to just set up and go. The pulse seems to require you to use the app to get it setup, and the directions were vague.

The size is smaller than anticipated, there are a ton of brightness settings which i found that level 3 is plenty bright for me. The mounts are very simple, i ended up cutting the picatinny mount so the bolt clears, which i had to do the same on the send it mount that i run in the same location.

You can adjust the sensitivity of movement, so slight movements don’t make the level go crazy. You can also choose the degree of cant that you find acceptable for your green zone.

The on and off is a long press and hold, once set up i really liked it. It is very obvious when behind the scope when you are canted or level. As far as i can tell, there is no indication for when you are getting closer or further from level like the 2 red and 2 blue lights on the send it.

I am hoping sg comes out with some other mounts, or maybe some other companies can. Because, on one of my rifles i have no space on the rail behind the scope rings, and the pulse doesn't stick far enough off the mount to clear the erector housing. So i currently don't have an ideal solution to mount it on that rifle, other than the hawkins diving board.

 

[acourvil]

You can adjust the sensitivity of movement, so slight movements don’t make the level go crazy. You can also choose the degree of cant that you find acceptable for your green zone.

Is the adjustability of the Pulse on sensitivity and cant comparable to the Send-it? That was my biggest question when I saw this, and I didn’t find anything in the product info that addressed this.

 

[Turbwhistle]

I think the pulse almost gives you too many options making it more complicated to find that perfect setting that works for you. When i get home i’ll grab a screen shot of the setting page on their app.

 

[Ichi]

New "marketing" video just released...

 

[Turbwhistle]

This is their app screen.

 

[acourvil]

Thanks. Looks like there may be even greater adjustability than the Send-it level.

 

[Mongo68]

Does the level function and the stability function work at the same time on the unit itself? Not requiring to look at the phone?
That would be killer! I like the timer function and video overlay. Getting all to work at the same time would be outstanding to replay a stage for learning

 

[loclass]

I received my SG Pulse level today.

First impressions: the instructions are a joke. They are severely lacking in detail. It seems like there's a couple modes that can be entered via different (long vs short) button presses, but no explanation of what those modes are or how to use them. The m lok mount is trash. The t nut is grossly out of spec and doesn't lock up well. The pic mount uses a thumb screw instead of a cap screw to secure it to a rail. And the charging cable is proprietary. Who doesn't use USB C in 2024?

On the positive side the unit itself seems well built. It's compact and tucks nicely against the rifle. Setting sensitivity and calibrating the level are easy with the app. The led is plenty bright and can be adjusted for brightness. Time will tell how it holds up.

 

[Emerson0311]

Now integrate it with a timer. There is no need for a digital watch and a fucking level together to cost what the big names charge.

 

[loclass]

I reached out to Shooter's Global and received a response with details on how to use the different functions. The instructions could be clearer in a few instances, but at least this is something to work with. I don't understand why they would release a product and not have the user's guide and support available on the website. Hope this helps anyone else who has one, but can't figure it out.



Thank you for purchasing the SG Pulse. We apologize for the inconvenience you're facing.

Currently, we are working on a detailed user manual, but in the meantime, we can provide a brief draft of instructions for the device:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1av3atHypyGt84msfoSV81HzZSV49N61CYAbSD43XM8M/edit

We appreciate your patience as we finalize this.
Here are some tips on how to use Pulse.

To switch the mode, press and hold the button.

Here's a closer look at these modes

Level mode
Anti-cant digital level ensures that your rifle is perfectly vertically aligned, eliminating horizontal drift of your shots.

To monitor the alignment, look at the color of the LED.

Blue color indicates deviation to the right, meaning that you should tilt your gun to the left.

Red color indicates deviation to the left, so you should tilt the rifle to the right.

Green color means that the rifle is aligned.

If you don’t see blue, this probably means that your SG Pulse is in Stability mode instead of Level Mode. To switch the mode, press and hold the button.

Unlike spirit levels, this electronic level provides you with instant feedback, so you can track the rifle alignment in real-time.

Stability mode
Stability mode helps you to stabilize your rifle wobble, ensuring you press the trigger in the best possible moment. The device detects minor vibrations (in MOA) and displays them by lighting the LED.

Red blinking — high wobble. The shot at this point may be inaccurate due to minor deviations.

Yellow light — medium stability.

Green light — high stability, ready to shoot.

If you see blue color, this means that your SG Pulse is in Stability mode instead of Level Mode. To switch the mode, press and hold the button.


To use the SG Pulse in a vertical orientation, you will indeed need to recalibrate the device. There are two ways to do this:
1). Via the App:
Open the app and connect your SG Pulse.
Attach the Pulse to your rifle in the vertical position.
Navigate to the "Calibration" tab in the app. You’ll see that the timer is currently calibrated for horizontal use (e.g., at 90 degrees as per factory settings).
Make sure the Pulse is stationary during calibration.
Press the "Calibrate" button. A loading wheel will appear; wait for the calibration process to complete, which should take anywhere from a few seconds to about 10 seconds. Afterward, the device will be calibrated for vertical use.
2). Manual Calibration:
This method is slightly more complex. Attach the Pulse to your rifle.
Press the button once and then, without releasing, quickly press and hold the button a second time.
After a few seconds, you should see a pink/purple indicator running along the edges of the display (or button area). Release the button as soon as this indicator appears.
Wait for the calibration process to complete. Ensure that the Pulse remains stationary during this procedure.

Scope leveling mode
Scope leveling mode is located in the main device menu and it’s basically a hi tech 3 axis level.

First remove the attachment and put the SG pulse on its back to activate it.
You can use its factory calibration or also calibrate it yourself, like in regular level mode.
Put the device in the desired position, tap the button in the app and the true angles will change.

This is what makes it help you level the scope much easier - you don’t need to level the rifle. You can put in in any position as long as it’s fixed well, put the device on the rail, calibrate and level the scope using these parameters.

This mode will not activate unless this menu is opened in the app.

We apologize for the issues with the mounts. We are aware of these concerns and are working on offering more robust mounting options in the future.

Thank you for your patience and for choosing our product. If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, please don’t hesitate to reach out.

Best regards,
Shooters Global Team
shooters.global

 

[usafa77]

Use the hide to find the instructions. That’s one way to keep the cost down.

 

[Mongo68]

I wish it could do level and stability at the same time. I emailed them and they said nope

 

[patscrazy]

I’m looking to purchase one of these pulses. It looks great and it seems like it does a lot which is intriguing. What’s the consensus so far? Happy with it? Anyone know of any discount codes? I saw someone mention 10% off back in March. Thanks

 

[jetjock07]

I picked one up a few weeks ago and like it a lot. The light stands out more in the peripheral to me than the send it.

 

[Turbwhistle]

I used it in a match this weekend, i found it slightly annoying that it has 2 functions, i wish you can lock it out as a level or the other mode. I also wish it just had an on/off switch rather than a long press and hold. I’ll probably only run them on my hunting rifles and practice rigs, and run sendit’s on my match guns. I also prefer the send it having 2 red and 2 blue so you know how far off you are.

 

[patscrazy]

Yeah, without having used the send it to compare to, I’m just running a normal bubble level off the side, the US optics one. I just don’t pick it up in my peripheral very good. I’m constantly having to look down at it when I’m thinking about it to check levelness. So I was really looking for one of these electronic ones. The pulse looks like it would really pop in your periphery and the fact that it’s $50 cheaper is a plus.

 

[loclass]

I've had it for about 2 months now and have been able to use it in practice and a match. I have no experience with Send It, so I can't compare it to that.
My only complaint during match use is that it turns itself off between stages and I forgot to turn it on before a stage because I assumed it was on. They claim battery life of 50 hours. It would be nice if the time out time could be adjusted.
To @Turbwhistle's point about knowing how far off you are, some of that can be dealt with by changing the sensitivity range of the unit.
Compared to a bubble level, an electronic level is faster to react and easier to know when you're level.
As much as I bitched about the mounts and the instructions, now that I have it figured out I like it quite well.

 

[LPO]

Picked one of these up. During practice, it seemed like a great solution until the calibration drift became evident. Using it in a match last weekend was a disaster.

The unit I have (firmware v5, after an update), will not keep its calibration after 1-3 power cycles. When mounted vertically oriented (picatinny mount attached to top rail) sometimes it's a single power cycle, sometimes is 2 or 3, but inevitably, I have to recalibrate it at a frequency that's just not acceptable. I outline my reproduction of the issue below.

If I change the mount so it sits horizontally (on a picatinny rail on the side of my Spuhr mount visible below the parallax knob) it will completely forget/lose it's calibration every power cycle.

Additionally, there's no control over the auto-off timeout (30min). The unit auto shutdown just before 2 stages in the match as I was trying not to power cycle the unit to avoid recalibration between stages.

I'm debating exchanging the unit, or just going back to the Send-It.

Reproduction
To verify the drift Id do the following:

1. Level the rifle using the in-set level in my Spuhr mount
2. Calibrate using the app while the rifle is undisturbed
3. Confirm the calibration was set by canting the rifle left/right and returning to level as indicated by the Spuhr in-set level
4. Power the device off
5. Power on
6. Cant the rifle left/right and return rifle to level using the Spuhr in-set level
7. Repeat steps 4-6 until the SG Pulse did not indicate green when the rifle was level as indicated by the Spuhr in-set level
8. Check the App > Device > calibration
9. The calibration would be off by >1°

EDIT (10/18/24) - Adding some additional insights

• There is no way to power the device off via the App
• Manual power off forces the unit from "Level Mode" to "Stability Mode" (or vice versa). The unit then powers up in the opposite mode of previous use case.
• I tried resetting the unit to factory settings via the App and the calibration drift/loss still reproduced
• When changing the "Horizontal Level Limit" you must immediately recalibrate after, otherwise it distorts the saved calibration