Shooting 1000 yards

[gordyd4]

Hello all, My brother and I were target shooting a 16" round steel target at 1k yds the other day with the 308. Wind was really blowing us around.

What would be the next cartridge to step up to? It blows fairly hard gust where we shoot. We can shoot out to 2000 yards, so I was thinking a 338lm, would be a nice addition, or is that way overkill. He reloads our ammo, and I pay for the supplies. Money is not a real concern. Spending a $100/day on ammo is no issue.

We would like a .408 Cheytac, but have heard the solid bullets are a fire hazard.

Thanks!

 

[bigwill214]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

Solids being a fire hazard? Howso? I would believe that tracers would be and incindiary would be but solids?

 

[SnkBit]

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Let's start by filling out our profile. Then we will know where it is you're shooting and can make slightly more informed recommendations.

 

[redbullitt]

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the 6.5 cartridges (6.5 284, 260 rem etc) all will blow around much less than the 308, and recoil very little while still being cost effective.

If you are looking to go bigger, 338 edge or lapua, or maybe the 375 (preferable to the 408 IMHO)?

Money not being much of a factor, the 375 is looking pretty good... or maybe a 50 bmg match quality set up?

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigWill214</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Solids being a fire hazard? Howso? I would believe that tracers would be and incindiary would be but solids? </div></div>

I was told that, so I don't know for sure.

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SnkBit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's start by filling out our profile. Then we will know where it is you're shooting and can make slightly more informed recommendations. </div></div>

at 4500 ft elevation in so cal.

 

[gordyd4]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 331V8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the 6.5 cartridges (6.5 284, 260 rem etc) all will blow around much less than the 308, and recoil very little while still being cost effective.

If you are looking to go bigger, 338 edge or lapua, or maybe the 375 (preferable to the 408 IMHO)?

Money not being much of a factor, the 375 is looking pretty good... or maybe a 50 bmg match quality set up?
</div></div>

I have read the same thing that the 375 is a great round. I talked to Bobby Lawton and he was trying to convince me to go that route.

Before we buy another gun, We need to get familiar with the larger rounds anyways. I think I've read this forum about a thousand times the last year, but never joined here.

A year ago, getting a good .408 round was difficult; is it easier to get the .375?

 

[VYD]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

Why not concentrate on 12x12 steel then instead of going up in caliber? Just curious. The issue I see is that it's not that you have 2000 yards available, which is great, but can you hit what you aim at at that distance? $100 per day on ammo is outstanding but how much do you plan to spend on the rifle alone + scope?
Quality costs money and since you want to get to 2000 yards, quality is a MUST. .338LM would be awesome but afraid $100 per day on ammo is not going to help...just pondering...

 

[bigwill214]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

On another aspect how well are you doing at the 1k mark? I myself have been thinking about pushing further but I haven't really mastered the 1k mark yet. So I keep talking myself out of building a 338 Edge. My personal plan is to shoot the 300wm and get great with that before i push too much further. I do encourage you to look at the bigger stuff if you can afford it and can do well closer but another choice you could look at is the 338 Edge or 338RUM. THey both seem to reach out well.

 

[MALLARD]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

if you live in California you can get a .510 dtc and it has similar ballistics to the 50 cal , EDM makes a .510 dtc version of the wind runner m96. You have to trim 50 bmg brass and re-size it using .510 dtc dies , it looks pretty easy.

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hello all, My brother and I were target shooting a 16" round steel target at 1k yds the other day with the 308. Wind was really blowing us around.

What would be the next cartridge to step up to? It blows fairly hard gust where we shoot. We can shoot out to 2000 yards, so I was thinking a 338lm, would be a nice addition, or is that way overkill. He reloads our ammo, and I pay for the supplies. Money is not a real concern. Spending a $100/day on ammo is no issue.

We would like a .408 Cheytac, but have heard the solid bullets are a fire hazard.

Thanks!</div></div>
What the????!!!!!
Where are you shooting 2,000? 4500 would put you just below Julian right? You on the Rez? Come on let a local in on your spot!

 

[killer_penguin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I talked to Bobby Lawton and he was trying to convince me to go that route.</div></div>

I'd chop off my own dick and eat it before doing business with him or that company ever again. Be aware, and do your own research before plopping down cash on anything.

 

[Shooter21]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

Just doing some thinking via keyboard, but why not take that 308 to say 1200 on a 12x12.... Then a 300 WM out to the mile marker?? At 2000 you aren't justifying a 375 CT unless you plan on shooting in a 70 mph full value wind. By the time you can constantly bang 1 mile steel with a 300 WM, you will know what weapon is required for the job beyond that

 

[jrob300]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Money is not a real concern. Spending a $100/day on ammo is no issue.</div></div>

You have a bit of a unique situation that most of us cannot relate to... we tend to think in terms of budget, repetitive costs, value, justification.... things like that.

If price is no object, build the 338LM or the 375, but I think you'll find that you'll grow bored limited to that distance with those rifles.

Like stated, you could use a .260, 7WSM or 300WM and shoot 1 mile to 2000 yds at your altitude and challenge yourself by hitting smaller and smaller targets, or recording percentage of first round cold-bore hits.

I guess it really comes down to what your goal is. It would sound to me that you just want to build a big rifle... then go for it.

John

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Money is not a real concern. Spending a $100/day on ammo is no issue.</div></div>

You have a bit of a unique situation that most of us cannot relate to... we tend to think in terms of budget, repetitive costs, value, justification.... things like that.

If price is no object, build the 338LM or the 375, but I think you'll find that you'll grow bored limited to that distance with those rifles.

Like stated, you could use a .260, 7WSM or 300WM and shoot 1 mile to 2000 yds at your altitude and challenge yourself by hitting smaller and smaller targets, or recording percentage of first round cold-bore hits.

I guess it really comes down to what your goal is. It would sound to me that you just want to build a big rifle... then go for it.

John </div></div>

Hahaha, John, your right in the sense I do just want to build a big rifle, and your right I could get bored shooting a 1000 yrds with it. I am trying to restrain myself from doing just that.

The .308 gets thrown around a lot in the gust and we do need to learn how to shoot at long range better, but I don't think the .308 is the best round at 1000 yards. The cartridges you mention probably are better, but I do not know much about them.

Where can I find bullet wind data. I've read on this forum that guys here will specify, lets say at a 10mph wind, a round will drift x amount and drop x amount over 100 yards. I'd like to look at that info.

 

[killer_penguin]

Re: Shooting 1000 yards

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi

There ya go. Its free and you can plug in whatever scenario you want and "have a look at the numbers" as much as you want.

Shooting at long range is like pedaling a bike. The work you put into it has a direct relationship to the distance you travel. The harder you work, the more distance you'll be able to traverse. The more dedicated you are, the more situations you will be able to overcome.

There are no shortcuts.

The work is yours to do. Own it.

 

[Shooter21]

Re: Shooting 1000 yards

LEARN TO READ WIND!!!! you have approximately 1.5 sec of flight time to 1k, shoot as the gust subcides to prevent bullet blowing. There have been extreme long shots taken with 308s, a big bore is just another way to kern more bad habits... I know of one shot at 1800 yds that hit a coffee can on a COLD BORE!

 

[gordyd4]

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Browsed through some rounds; that 375 CT is bad ass!

 

[Shooter21]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Browsed through some rounds; that 375 CT is bad ass!</div></div>
The 375 VM is meaner. It's a 3500 yard shooter

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hello all, My brother and I were target shooting a 16" round steel target at 1k yds the other day with the 308. Wind was really blowing us around.

What would be the next cartridge to step up to? It blows fairly hard gust where we shoot. We can shoot out to 2000 yards, so I was thinking a 338lm, would be a nice addition, or is that way overkill. He reloads our ammo, and I pay for the supplies. Money is not a real concern. Spending a $100/day on ammo is no issue.

We would like a .408 Cheytac, but have heard the solid bullets are a fire hazard.

Thanks!</div></div>
What the????!!!!!
Where are you shooting 2,000? 4500 would put you just below Julian right? You on the Rez? Come on let a local in on your spot! </div></div>

No res here. Shooting on a 8000ac ranch my father works for. I've asked to bring friends, but they said no.

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

This is the 1000 yard spot. No my brother is not shooting in the rear, just spotting.

 

[Dylan in AZ]

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Damn thats awsome you have such a massive area to shoot in California. The gusts will make you a better shooter and the little 308 is a very capable round. But i guess if you want more then definatly look into the 7mm cartridges. And if you just absolutly must have a big bore rifle to make shooting as easy and sometimes as painful as it can be then look into the 338LM. I still think you'll be happier with a 7mm though, maybe a WSM or something similar in ballistics. Play with JBM for a while, it really is a wonderful calculator and should give you an idea of exactly what you want/need for the applications you intend to use it for.

 

[beretta682]

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i would do 338 edge easy to load for and a great round.shoot a 300 smk and you will be fine

 

[The Mechanic]

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Looks like Boulevard. I think I have found a good spot out toward the desert that I can get about 800 yards so my Windrunner can breath a little.

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like Boulevard. I think I have found a good spot out toward the desert that I can get about 800 yards so my Windrunner can breath a little. </div></div>

Have you gone down to the desert and shot? We found a good spot against the mountains on the north side. We can't shoot the private land too often, so we still need the des.

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TerrorInTheShadows</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn thats awsome you have such a massive area to shoot in California. The gusts will make you a better shooter and the little 308 is a very capable round. But i guess if you want more then definatly look into the 7mm cartridges. And if you just absolutly must have a big bore rifle to make shooting as easy and sometimes as painful as it can be then look into the 338LM. I still think you'll be happier with a 7mm though, maybe a WSM or something similar in ballistics. Play with JBM for a while, it really is a wonderful calculator and should give you an idea of exactly what you want/need for the applications you intend to use it for.

</div></div>

I have a Winchester 7mm/rem mag for hunting; I just did not think it would be a good platform for a precision rifle.

 

[killer_penguin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Winchester 7mm/rem mag for hunting; I just did not think it would be a good platform for a precision rifle. </div></div>

... I'm almost scared to ask but... Why did you think that?

 

[goober]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Penguin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Winchester 7mm/rem mag for hunting; I just did not think it would be a good platform for a precision rifle. </div></div>

... I'm almost scared to ask but... Why did you think that? </div></div>

Probably because it weighs like a feather , kicks like a spoilt bitch and has a barrel that will slap both sides of his face after 2 shots .

gordyd4 The caliber is great for precision long range work you just need something better to put it in

 

[gordyd4]

Re: Shooting 1000 yardsooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Penguin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Winchester 7mm/rem mag for hunting; I just did not think it would be a good platform for a precision rifle. </div></div>

... I'm almost scared to ask but... Why did you think that? </div></div>

Probably because it weighs like a feather , kicks like a spoilt bitch and has a barrel that will slap both sides of his face after 2 shots .

gordyd4 The caliber is great for precision long range work you just need something better to put it in </div></div>


You got that right brother! No butt pad, super light, you get the idea! Sore shoulder after a few rounds. Not fun to shoot 50 rounds through in an afternoon. I have done it.

I suppose I could put another stock and heavy barrel on it, but don't know if the action is worth doing that to.

 

[TexasShadow]

Re: Shooting 1000 yards

6.5 cartridges shoot much flater and fight the wind much better.If you want to go 1400 and beyond the 7wsm is an awesome round.So is the 330wm in 208s

 

[RodneyDowns]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gordyd4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Money is not a real concern. Spending a $100/day on ammo is no issue.</div></div>

You have a bit of a unique situation that most of us cannot relate to... we tend to think in terms of budget, repetitive costs, value, justification.... things like that.

If price is no object, build the 338LM or the 375, but I think you'll find that you'll grow bored limited to that distance with those rifles.

Like stated, you could use a .260, 7WSM or 300WM and shoot 1 mile to 2000 yds at your altitude and challenge yourself by hitting smaller and smaller targets, or recording percentage of first round cold-bore hits.

I guess it really comes down to what your goal is. It would sound to me that you just want to build a big rifle... then go for it.

John </div></div>

Hahaha, John, your right in the sense I do just want to build a big rifle, and your right I could get bored shooting a 1000 yrds with it. I am trying to restrain myself from doing just that.

The .308 gets thrown around a lot in the gust and we do need to learn how to shoot at long range better, but I don't think the .308 is the best round at 1000 yards. The cartridges you mention probably are better, but I do not know much about them.

Where can I find bullet wind data. I've read on this forum that guys here will specify, lets say at a 10mph wind, a round will drift x amount and drop x amount over 100 yards. I'd like to look at that info.
</div></div>

There are several balistics programs you can buy to give you all the ballistics info you could ever need for any caliber bullet.

And if you have the money you say yo do I cant see any reason not to build a really nice 50cal.

As for the 7mm, rebarrel it and load some nice high BC bullets and your set. Lots of great bullets for the 7mm.