F T/R Competition Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

[XTR]

I'm realizing my problem is this. I've been converting all of my other rifles to mil/mil scopes. In general I find I like mils better; however, in F class everything is in MOA, target rings, my scope, and most importantly my wind calls!

I thought about it this afternoon. On Monday the wind at the range wasn't strong, but it was coming from the opposite direction that it usually does, and we had more wind back at 900 than usual. I looked at the conditions, dialed in 3 MOA left and put my cold bore shot in the 9 ring. I have no freaking clue what that is in mils. I know I can do the math, but I don't like to do math in my head in the field.


Crap, now I gotta consider switching everything to MOA, that or just get versatile and learn to think in either.

 

[remau308]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

3.44 is your friend...or at least mine.

1Mil = ~3.44MOA

In your case though, 3MOA = ~0.9Mils

I personally am starting to like Mils better also. I think in MOA because of our standard measuring units, but it takes less dialing with mils to reach 1000yards, so it's harder to get confused in all the turret rotations. Just my opinion though.

 

[leadbullet]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

since your scope is mil/mil use the reticule to bring you into the x ring, not the size of the score ring. Simply mil from the center of the spoter to where you want to hit.
hope this makes sense.

 

[scotharr]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

.1MIL = .375MOA approximately. TThink about it: if you were dead center in the x-ring, a single .1MIL click would knock you out of the X-ring. That is way too coarse of an adjustment when you are shooting at a 1/2MOA target if you ask me. I've got mil/mil scopes for hunting, but 1/8MOA target scopes. Don't be a purist: use the right tool for the job. I've used my 10X mil/mil scope for F-Class and done fairly well, but the 1/8 MOA clicks are way better. To be honest, I don't even think MOA or mil when shooting tournaments. YOu shoot enough and you just start thinking "clicks" Oh, I just got blown into the 9 ring...bout 2 or 3 clicks. Just my .02

 

[notquiteright]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

I generally dial a base wind on and then use the rings to holdoff. I dont want to dial alot and confuse the issue. Once i set my wind knob if I drop a round just outside the 10 and the windspeed doesnt change I go to the other side of the 10 ring and setup right on the line. (I hate lining up outside the 10 ring if I can help it)

I dont see any need to try and MOA it. Another poster is more ontrack with the idea you have a MILdot reticle and MIL turrets- dont try and read MOA into the problem.

Is very simple if you stick to your side of the street. I am no fan of Mil/Mil but there is no reason to say it is a handicap if you can favor, and as the wind where I come from never stays constant favor is more your friend than any conversion factor.

Good Luck

 

[XTR]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

Guys my TR scope is a NF BR with 1/8 MOA clicks. Shooting TR is not the problem,

The problem is in my head and making windage calls with my other 308 with a mil scope. I'm learning to think windage in MOA and not mils so trying to put the first shot on target with mil adjustments means doing conversions in my head, and that is counter to the goal.

 

[427Cobra]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

Mils don't require thinking, so Fing what if the targets are .5moa, as a matter of fact MOA doesn't require thinking either, I have a MIL MIL scope and a MOA MOA scope, in either case I use the calibrated ruler(reticle) for holds and corrections, of the two I much perfer all MILs, dead simple and universal across the planet, in the MOA world the same cannot be said.

 

[notquiteright]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

XTR-
do you run a logbook as you shoot? I have a windchart in mine. I'm sure you can find a few examples online. It would be extremely easy to make a few in MIL value and use on the firing line. Printed on cardstock you can insert one in your mil/mil rifle's logbook.

No need to think/take your boots off to do higher math.

Good Luck

 

[XTR]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

427, I understand how to read the reticle, and on a followup shot I completely agree, but I'm not talking about follow up shots, I'm not talking about walking sighters to the middle of the target, I'm talking about putting the cold bore shot in the center of the target, especially if it's one that may jump and run if I miss. That requires some thought before you pull the trigger.


Quick, w/o looking at anything.



Leaves are showing a full value wind, pushed over, moving but not rolling back, but not too much, you'd guess wind at at 3 to 5, for a 1000 yd shot what do dope for wind? mils and MOA?


with out looking at anything I can dial 3 MOA and put the first shot in the black. Yea, I can do the math and think 3 x 0.9 = 2.7.

SHeesh, the point is that by doing most of my shooting at long range with an MOA scope (which by the way is a SFP scope with NP-2DD not a ruler) with targets that are designed in MOA sized rings my practice is making me think in MOA. While my other rifles which I shoot hunting are all in mils, so if I were to get to take that 600 yard shot at a broadside buck I've got to think in a seperate set of units.

It's like Curies and Becquerels. I know the conversions, I do them all the time for all kinds of documentation, but I've used Ci for 30 yrs, if you tell me you have a 10 mCi radium source I know exactly what you have, but if you tell me you have one that's 370MBq I have to go do the math, or worse yet if it's listed at .37GBq, now I have to remember how many zeros are in a giga.

 

[head2h2o]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

Once you get your elevation dialed in, then just use the reticle to make the correction for windage. You can read your shots on the target, the mirage or flags to figure out how much to hold. I don't dial windage in F class matches. The wind is just too variable.

 

[memilanuk]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

While I have shot matches using reticle hold-offs ranging from 3 mils left to four mils right over 3, maybe 4 shots... I'd *much* rather crank a base wind adjustment and hold off in/around the 9 ring or better, and hold up for the changes when possible. Those knobs are there for a reason, use 'em!

 

[PeterN]

Re: Shooting TR is messing with my head, MOA/mil !?!?

I have always had trouble with math. Remembering to carry the 1 is still a challenge. I am going to stay with MOA.