Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

[milo 2.0]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcmigpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea I stocked up, 300 52 gr .223 Hornady Steel match and 500 cheapie .223 for blasting, not because I'm panicking, but because of other panicked buyers. I stocked up because ammo is getting harder to find because of the panic buyers, and I want to have rounds available when I want to shoot.

Now for the "you guys are conspiracy nuts" crowd, I work in the offshore oil industry, and one signature on an offshore drilling ban was all it took to almost destroy an entire industry. A gun ban does not take congressional action. If they want guns to go away, they don't have to ban anything, all they have to do is change the classification of gun powder and make it all but impossible to ship and stock. Guns are pretty useless w/o ammo. Also, keep in mind that the week after Colorado 3 different AWB type bills were introduced, so don't think there isn't a chance that something wont get slipped into another bigger bill. </div></div>
You have somewhat of an intelligent post here.
My question is, do you consider this stocking up?
800 rounds of .223 would barely be two outings at the range.

 

[Ballistic Artist]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcmigpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea I stocked up, 300 52 gr .223 Hornady Steel match and 500 cheapie .223 for blasting, not because I'm panicking, but because of other panicked buyers. I stocked up because ammo is getting harder to find because of the panic buyers, and I want to have rounds available when I want to shoot.

Now for the "you guys are conspiracy nuts" crowd, I work in the offshore oil industry, and one signature on an offshore drilling ban was all it took to almost destroy an entire industry. A gun ban does not take congressional action. If they want guns to go away, they don't have to ban anything, all they have to do is change the classification of gun powder and make it all but impossible to ship and stock. Guns are pretty useless w/o ammo. Also, keep in mind that the week after Colorado 3 different AWB type bills were introduced, so don't think there isn't a chance that something wont get slipped into another bigger bill. </div></div>
You have somewhat of an intelligent post here.
My question is, do you consider this stocking up?
800 rounds of .223 would barely be two outings at the range. </div></div>

True, but there will be plenty of 5.56 laying around. And rifles. And if you have to move long distance on foot, how much can you carry when you include all the other stuff you will be carrying? Take me for instance, I have 3000 rds stocked for my AK. 1000 rds in boxes weighs around 36.5 pounds. Now, add loaded mags,(I carry 13, 10 on chest, 1 on belt, 2 in backpack), sidearm, ammo for sidearm, water, a couple of MRE's, maybe some medical stuff, and a long range weapon if possible, and ammo for it. Now I aint in very good shape but still, 109.5 Lbs. give or take for 3000 rds of 7.62x39mm 123gr. HP. ammo. I cant carry all that plus my other shit. See what I mean? Now dont get me wrong, moving long distance on foot knowing you wont be returning to your home or base or whatever (so you gotta carry as much as you can) would be worst case scenario, but it is something to think about.
I honestly think we would triumph eventually, if it happened.
There are still alot of Americans in the United States.

 

[p951951951t]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

We have all seen the act 1000 times with federal legislature.

At some point, they will enter and AWB for consideration - When it meets opposition in the house, they will strike out certain parts of the bill in order to allow republicans to save face to their constituents. The uninformed and naive will chalk it up as a victory while some insidious provision will sneak by largely unnoticed.

Whatever the bill is, it won't be called anything related to AWB, it will be something like "Public Safety" or "Common Sense Firearms Act" and will contain a number of feel good legislative time wasters meant to hide the true colors of the bill.

 

[johngfoster]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rushfan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I just don't get that the goverment that is supposed to be for the people by the people, is starting to sound more like the goverment controlling the people and telling us what we can have and can't have. What we can do and what we can't do.
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IMO, when we as a people start asking/demanding that the government take care of us (whatever that means to you) then the government will accordingly begin to dictate what and where we will do what we do.

For example; We want free Medical care. Then in order to have that we will be excluded from eating too much red meat/fat and sugar. Not saying we should eat that, but in exchange for the free stuff, there will be concessions.

Just sayin.

</div></div>

This is EXACTLY RIGHT!

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Don't play into all this media hype and shit. It is going nowhere and it will all still be around. All this hype does is make everyone jack the prices up and fuck you real hard without any KY jelly. I am not buying into all this horse shit or getting an ass bangin over it.

 

[lwrkeysfisher]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ballistic artist</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcmigpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea I stocked up, 300 52 gr .223 Hornady Steel match and 500 cheapie .223 for blasting, not because I'm panicking, but because of other panicked buyers. I stocked up because ammo is getting harder to find because of the panic buyers, and I want to have rounds available when I want to shoot.

Now for the "you guys are conspiracy nuts" crowd, I work in the offshore oil industry, and one signature on an offshore drilling ban was all it took to almost destroy an entire industry. A gun ban does not take congressional action. If they want guns to go away, they don't have to ban anything, all they have to do is change the classification of gun powder and make it all but impossible to ship and stock. Guns are pretty useless w/o ammo. Also, keep in mind that the week after Colorado 3 different AWB type bills were introduced, so don't think there isn't a chance that something wont get slipped into another bigger bill. </div></div>
You have somewhat of an intelligent post here.
My question is, do you consider this stocking up?
800 rounds of .223 would barely be two outings at the range. </div></div>

True, but there will be plenty of 5.56 laying around. And rifles. And if you have to move long distance on foot, how much can you carry when you include all the other stuff you will be carrying? Take me for instance, I have 3000 rds stocked for my AK. 1000 rds in boxes weighs around 36.5 pounds. Now, add loaded mags,(I carry 13, 10 on chest, 1 on belt, 2 in backpack), sidearm, ammo for sidearm, water, a couple of MRE's, maybe some medical stuff, and a long range weapon if possible, and ammo for it. Now I aint in very good shape but still, 109.5 Lbs. give or take for 3000 rds of 7.62x39mm 123gr. HP. ammo. I cant carry all that plus my other shit. See what I mean? Now dont get me wrong, moving long distance on foot knowing you wont be returning to your home or base or whatever (so you gotta carry as much as you can) would be worst case scenario, but it is something to think about.
I honestly think we would triumph eventually, if it happened.
There are still alot of Americans in the United States. </div></div>

Where is all this ammo going to be "laying around"? Is it currently laying around?

 

[MJY65]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

I wonder the same thing. This is often stated as a reason for using 5.56 or 9mm, because that is what the military uses. I doubt that many of us would have the opportunity to be scavenging the battlefield for ammo. I would do my best to lay low and stay out of firefights. Sooner or later, a bullet has your name on it.

 

[PowderMeasure]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

How about this thought. To my understanding, there was a phone call made immediately after election was decided. That phone call was to the UN from you know who about the small arms treaty. If the UN acts upon us, it will not be against our constitution. As for me, it will be a declaration of war against us(the people) and our nation.

Now I am not a lawyer, and do not know how to explain all of this, but I don't really need to. The Govt(or certain secs of the Govt) are constantly trying to ban guns etc. People are every day becoming more dependant or have a mindset of entitlement and it is, I fear, going to only get much worse!

 

[FALex]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

regardless of the policitcal climate, can you ever have too many "assault rifles?"

I work at a large(r) gun store, part-time. Even one day before the election, we saw no changes in purchases. The next day, AR's are flying away. I kept telling myself, "no panic buying..." However, I do have a few friends who work in that particular industry that come by my job, rather frequently...suffice to say after one of their visits...true to form, I panic bought a DPMS SASS yesterday! HA!

 

[gmz71]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

I would venture to say that most of us can only shoot one at a time and be accurate. Doesnt mean you shouldnt have 1 or 10, but everybodys opinion of "stock up" is different. Buy as many as you want, but have ONE that you are proficient with.

Panic buying only serves to create more panic buying. If I hear that you are paying an "inflated" price for something, and I see the same product on a shelf around here for considerably less, it makes me think twice about buying said something.

Its your money, do as you will with it.

 

[Bevan]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

So full of shit.

I didn't see many people going all "MAH RIGHTS" and shooting up the white house when the '94 AWB happened, it won't happen for any future AWB, there isn't going to be one anytime soon, and panic buying is retarded.

 

[DeltaOneSix]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Right, keep the kids shooting, so they know more about guns than what they see in video games and TV. Understand the privledge, rights, and heritage that goes with firearms ownership. Otherwise, in a generation or so, no one will care. If it happens now will probably be via Executive Order. BO has done 99 of those in his 4 years. Bush did 76 in 8 years he was in office. Keep an eye on the UN too, international arms talk has started up again. Get your overseas stuff. Of course that is only a set back, one thing we have proven as a nation, is we can make it here too.

Delta

"It is a maxim of the Muslim Nations, that 'The Christians who would be on good terms with them must fight well or pay well.” hmmm... I think I will go with option A.

 

[bassani]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

gun sales stock is crazy high right now

 

[Ballistic Artist]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lwrkeysfisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ballistic artist</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcmigpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea I stocked up, 300 52 gr .223 Hornady Steel match and 500 cheapie .223 for blasting, not because I'm panicking, but because of other panicked buyers. I stocked up because ammo is getting harder to find because of the panic buyers, and I want to have rounds available when I want to shoot.

Now for the "you guys are conspiracy nuts" crowd, I work in the offshore oil industry, and one signature on an offshore drilling ban was all it took to almost destroy an entire industry. A gun ban does not take congressional action. If they want guns to go away, they don't have to ban anything, all they have to do is change the classification of gun powder and make it all but impossible to ship and stock. Guns are pretty useless w/o ammo. Also, keep in mind that the week after Colorado 3 different AWB type bills were introduced, so don't think there isn't a chance that something wont get slipped into another bigger bill. </div></div>
You have somewhat of an intelligent post here.
My question is, do you consider this stocking up?
800 rounds of .223 would barely be two outings at the range. </div></div>

True, but there will be plenty of 5.56 laying around. And rifles. And if you have to move long distance on foot, how much can you carry when you include all the other stuff you will be carrying? Take me for instance, I have 3000 rds stocked for my AK. 1000 rds in boxes weighs around 36.5 pounds. Now, add loaded mags,(I carry 13, 10 on chest, 1 on belt, 2 in backpack), sidearm, ammo for sidearm, water, a couple of MRE's, maybe some medical stuff, and a long range weapon if possible, and ammo for it. Now I aint in very good shape but still, 109.5 Lbs. give or take for 3000 rds of 7.62x39mm 123gr. HP. ammo. I cant carry all that plus my other shit. See what I mean? Now dont get me wrong, moving long distance on foot knowing you wont be returning to your home or base or whatever (so you gotta carry as much as you can) would be worst case scenario, but it is something to think about.
I honestly think we would triumph eventually, if it happened.
There are still alot of Americans in the United States. </div></div>

Where is all this ammo going to be "laying around"? Is it currently laying around?
</div></div>
When you "stop" the bad guys trying to take your AW, you take his ammo and weapon??
Wow, you actually asked that question? And dont say, "You wont really do that". If it comes to that and you want to keep your weapons and freedom, you will have to "stop" the bad guys. Heres a tip, aim for the blue helmet. Or the beret, if its n#$o...

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeltaOneSix</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it happens now will probably be via Executive Order. BO has done 99 of those in his 4 years. Bush did 76 in 8 years he was in office.</div></div>

Obama has actually done 138 EOs thus far...which is 20% less than the 173 GWB did in his first term.

For comparison's sake, Clinton did 200 in his first term, GHWB 166, Reagan 213 in his first term.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

 

[Graham]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Just because the talking points used in the debate were from 1991 doesn't mean that the law hasn't changed since then.

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

This is my take on all this shit and it is only my opinion. OK....we get alot of talk of we all are going to get our guns taken away. So lots run out and buy powder, bullets, primers and guns. I think not....total havoc would be created and you think the lunatics are bad running around killing people. The easiest way for them to open the door is to tax the shit out of what you need so you can not afford to buy it. You see, if they want it to come down to that they would pick away at it to what you need to put in that firearm to shoot it. You are not 1 day going to be watching the boob tube and hear.....hey.... all guns need turned in and if you don't we will be paying a visit. Think about it. Next is have you ever thought about that IF it ever came down to you could not afford to shoot your firearms or purchace 1. We are not talking just about the actual firearm itself but anything and everything related to it. Just how many businesses small and large that make anything related to firearms whether they be parts, excessories and hunting related would be out of business. People, we are talking a magnitude of no jobs, taxes lost and so on. All our good vendors here and elswhere, no job and doors closed. The picture is way bigger than you see it in my opinion. Their are way more important issues going on in the country and elsewhere to be making matters worse than what they are now. These are just my opinions and how i feel and nothing else. HORSESHIT.... i am not buying into all this bullshit media frenzy and panic buying. The fact is, if the SHTF how the hell am i going to lug around a safe full of rifles, 1000 pounds of powder, 40 boxes of primers, another 1000 pounds of bullets, all my cases and reloading equiptment to reload it, all other gear and the food i need to stay alive burning up all these calories. I am in good shape but this shit is not happening.

 

[Michael]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Thank You Dan Tucker!

 

[Shoottothrill]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ballistic artist</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should we stock up on assault weapons? What for? What ya gonna do with them? What ya gonna do with all that ammo?

Lets say they did repeal the second amendment, then what? Freedom of speech, freedom of religion?

It's great to have these guns and all that ammo for fun and recreational shooting, but if thats the only reason, then aren't we missing the whole point of the second amendement.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I'm not sure what the answer is either, but I just don't get that the goverment that is supposed to be for the people by the people, is starting to sound more like the goverment controlling the people and telling us what we can have and can't have. What we can do and what we can't do.

Sorry for the rant in your thread OP. Just trying to give us all food for thought. </div></div>

Im confused but then again Im not very smart. Are you saying that if they did a ban and or confiscation, you would give up your weapons?? I hope Im just misunderstanding your reply. Mainly the first 4 sentences. If Im not, you have fun living on your knees. As for me, Im going to die on my feet. </div></div>

Yes my friend you are very confused. Exactly the opposite I'm tired of everyone saying I'm gonna stock up on guns and ammo and not use them to defend against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. The second amendment was not put in the Constitution so that we can go out and plink on weekends. It was put in the Constitution so that if our goverment started infringing on our civil liberties we could do something about it.

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

A men brother

 

[k9ghost]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

All this chat has got my head spinning. Ban no ban, stock up dont stock up. Maybe I should call my court appointed atourney on my free Obama phone and see if he can help me shed some light on the subject. Sorry for posting the sarcastic remarks but I think the gov. needs to stop giving to the deadbeats who abuse the system and stop taking from the working class folks who like to enjoy their hard earned toys.

 

[Ballistic Artist]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ballistic artist</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should we stock up on assault weapons? What for? What ya gonna do with them? What ya gonna do with all that ammo?

Lets say they did repeal the second amendment, then what? Freedom of speech, freedom of religion?

It's great to have these guns and all that ammo for fun and recreational shooting, but if thats the only reason, then aren't we missing the whole point of the second amendement.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I'm not sure what the answer is either, but I just don't get that the goverment that is supposed to be for the people by the people, is starting to sound more like the goverment controlling the people and telling us what we can have and can't have. What we can do and what we can't do.

Sorry for the rant in your thread OP. Just trying to give us all food for thought. </div></div>

Im confused but then again Im not very smart. Are you saying that if they did a ban and or confiscation, you would give up your weapons?? I hope Im just misunderstanding your reply. Mainly the first 4 sentences. If Im not, you have fun living on your knees. As for me, Im going to die on my feet. </div></div>

Yes my friend you are very confused. Exactly the opposite I'm tired of everyone saying I'm gonna stock up on guns and ammo and not use them to defend against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. The second amendment was not put in the Constitution so that we can go out and plink on weekends. It was put in the Constitution so that if our goverment started infringing on our civil liberties we could do something about it. </div></div>

Well HELL YES! Ok Im corrected. I knew that I wasnt understanding your post correctly. Thanks for this reply and AMEN!!! You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! Im thinkin the same way you are. READY THEN READY AGAIN Thanks for the post 78.

 

[TenZero]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Went to the local gun show today, asking prices are up 25% across the board on any AR or AK variant, and AR lowers have almost doubled. Mags are still cheap though.

 

[Captain Kirk]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TenZero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Went to the local gun show today, asking prices are up 25% across the board on any AR or AK variant, and AR lowers have almost doubled. Mags are still cheap though. </div></div>

This same thing happened 4 years ago, and history WILL repeat itself over and over again. Truth is, Obama may be one of the best gun salesmen of our time.

Kirk R

 

[George63]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TenZero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Went to the local gun show today, asking prices are up 25% across the board on any AR or AK variant, and AR lowers have almost doubled. Mags are still cheap though. </div></div>

This same thing happened 4 years ago, and history WILL repeat itself over and over again. Truth is, Obama may be one of the best gun salesmen of our time.

Kirk R </div></div>
still running a distant second to slick Willie

 

[Captain Kirk]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
still running a distant second to slick Willie </div></div>

I agree. He is a contender although I don't think he will make it, still has 4 years though.....

 

[George63]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

no one here seems to have the intelligent plan: if pricing is actually up you should be selling while the fools are buying

that is what I did 4 years ago

 

[FALex]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

the shitty part about my purchase, I wasn't really concerned about the .gov just showing up to confiscate my goods as much as I was just being selfish. The panic was different in regards to me being afriad of not being able to get this rifle within a reasonable amount of time (and this was a purchase I have been contemplating since July). I actually thought, "damn, I better buy this before he/she/they do or I won't be able to for x time..."

I am a male, and I have diddily squat for patience. I'm sure no one else on here suffers from that mallady...

 

[rcmigpilot]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcmigpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea I stocked up, 300 52 gr .223 Hornady Steel match and 500 cheapie .223 for blasting, not because I'm panicking, but because of other panicked buyers. I stocked up because ammo is getting harder to find because of the panic buyers, and I want to have rounds available when I want to shoot.

Now for the "you guys are conspiracy nuts" crowd, I work in the offshore oil industry, and one signature on an offshore drilling ban was all it took to almost destroy an entire industry. A gun ban does not take congressional action. If they want guns to go away, they don't have to ban anything, all they have to do is change the classification of gun powder and make it all but impossible to ship and stock. Guns are pretty useless w/o ammo. Also, keep in mind that the week after Colorado 3 different AWB type bills were introduced, so don't think there isn't a chance that something wont get slipped into another bigger bill. </div></div>
You have somewhat of an intelligent post here.
My question is, do you consider this stocking up?
800 rounds of .223 would barely be two outings at the range. </div></div>

Ah, but you're making a few assumptions. The 800 .223 is just what I bought in one trip to Cabelas, not all I have and my AR is not the only weapon that I have significant ammo for. My stock up is mainly because the way I work, combined with local range hours I may only get a small window to shoot, so I want the ammo ready. Also, all of the tactical ranges in the area that I know about are LEO only, so AR range days usually consist of a few hundred rounds of punching paper.

For all those naysayers out there think about this: even though the supreme court recently reaffirmed the second amendment when they struck down the DC gun ban, they also said that there is room for "reasonable restrictions". All it takes is 1 of the 4 conservative justices to get ill or die and the balance of the court will be changed. My guess is what is considered "reasonable" will also change.

If arms and ammunition availability becomes an issue it wont come as a new federal law or executive order, but most probably as a new, ostensibly unrelated regulation, like something to do with lead from the EPA, or powder from the DOT. Bullets without lead or cartridges without powder are pretty useless. Bullets that have to be individually tracked will be pretty expensive. Imagine if 55 gr FMJ .223 costs what .50 cal does now? How many rounds can you afford at $10 each? How about serialized and registered magazines, barrels and uppers? How much do you think that will cost? All it will take is some psycho to pull a McVey or a Gabby Gifford and we'll see how fast things change.


With regard to this UN treaty thing, if it does happen, I don't think it'll have a substantial effect on domestically manufactured arms and ammunition. Imports are something else entirely. If it happens I think we'll be saying goodbye to the cheap import ammo. If you're like me and like PMC and Privi, might be a good idea to lay in a supply, just in case.

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

If you go out now and start paying the inflated prices and double for shit you are only playing into their hands. Everyone needs to sit tight and let their pocket book empty out because we are not going to put up with the bullshit. Then maybe when the thieving bastards are getting hungry they will lower the price and now you can get a deal.

 

[slowyellow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

There are still deals to be had. I just picked up 4 stripped lowers the other day for less than $300 AFTER transfer fees through my FFL.

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TenZero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Went to the local gun show today, asking prices are up 25% across the board on any AR or AK variant, and AR lowers have almost doubled. Mags are still cheap though. </div></div>

This same thing happened 4 years ago, and history WILL repeat itself over and over again. Truth is, Obama may be one of the best gun salesmen of our time.

Kirk R</div></div>

Kirk, you hit the nail on the head.

 

[mtorment]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Regardless of wether there will be a ban or not...I am telling my wife there WILL BE....and that is why I have to buy all these guns NOW. Its worked so far

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowyellow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are still deals to be had. I just picked up 4 stripped lowers the other day for less than $300 AFTER transfer fees through my FFL. </div></div>

This is very true. If you look around enough here and elswhere and truly need it the prices have not changed. Their are 2 headed vultures out their trying to capitalize at the moment. DON'T LINE THEIR THEIVIN POCKETS with your hard earned money

 

[Immorteq]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Basing any decision regarding purchasing guns based on what was or wasn't passed in the last four years is just stupid. I look forward to revisiting this thread in a few years and laughing at the children whining in this thread about why people choose to spend their money on w/e they choose, whenever they choose. So many funny posts projecting their personal issues into a subject. So much denial in this thread it's sad. "Panic buying assholes" that's awesome, try fellow citizen and neighbor. Why do you care?! Do you really get that emotional at the gold market too? Oh my god these panic buying assholes are buying all this gold for way too much money! Some of you getting this emotional are in serious need of some therapy. Stick your heads back in the sand and spend your money on whatever your personal priority is and live with that decision and let others live with theirs.

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Basing any decision regarding purchasing guns based on what was or wasn't passed in the last four years is just stupid. I look forward to revisiting this thread in a few years and laughing at the children whining in this thread about why people choose to spend their money on w/e they choose, whenever they choose. So many funny posts projecting their personal issues into a subject. So much denial in this thread it's sad. "Panic buying assholes" that's awesome, try fellow citizen and neighbor. Why do you care?! Do you really get that emotional at the gold market too? Oh my god these panic buying assholes are buying all this gold for way too much money! <span style="color: #FF0000">Some of you getting this emotional are in serious need of some therapy.</span> Stick your heads back in the sand and spend your money on whatever your personal priority is and live with that decision and let others live with theirs. </div></div>

You do realize panic buying is the epitome of an emotional response...right?

I don't give a damn what anybody does with their hard-earned money. If folks want to panic buy based upon little more than hearsay, innuendo and internet rumor then they should knock themselves out...doesn't change the fact such behavior is moronic.

I do selfishly wish people wouldn't panic buy because then you end up with folks like myself forced to participate in the stupidity or face a mid-term shortage of things like components and ammunition (just like the Great Shortage of 2009) because people thought Bammer was gonna send his jack-booted lie-berals to confiscate everybody's evil black rifles.

I'll bet a C-note to Wounded Warrior Project than when you revisit this thread in 4 years, there won't be any new AWB ban but there <span style="font-weight: bold">will</span> be plenty of folks pissed off they spent a grand on a DPMS Oracle and can only get about $500 for it NIB at the same gunshop they bought it from.

"Panic buying assholes" as YOU describe them need to relax, take a deep breath, do a little research on the facts around the 1994 AWB and how today is different, and realize THE SKY IS ***NOT*** FALLING.

That's not "denial", that's simple fact.

 

[Immorteq]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

So you're mad at people for doing what you want to do but choose not to. Got it. Live it. I will too. You call people choosing to buy today, morons. Why?

Gold has gone from 200 bucks an ounce to 1700 bucks an ounce. Aren't they all panic buying morons? Some are making millions (not implying money makes people smart). Do you understand economics?

None of has a crystal ball and there may not be any AWB or new gun control but if I'm wrong I have stuff I need anyway and will consume eventually. Prices are no different today. If you're wrong though?

People being so dismissive and dramatic and throwing around epithets like panic buying assholes (Dan Tucker's description not mine) and calling fellow shooters morons is the tactic of a child throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[slowyellow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Yeah.... I pretty much picked up the lowers that I just got because they were a screaming deal. And I figured if I needed to get rid of them at a later date, I could make a couple bucks off of them.

 

[Immorteq]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jtsnipe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started a build a few months ago and it's been hard to find parts at a good price from all the panicy assholes.The world is not comming to the end.But don't worry I have plenty of fire power to fight off the zombes incase it does (for a while anyways).My build started from a love of shooting,not from who's in the Whitehouse. </div></div>

My apologies Dan, it wasn't your quote. It was this guys.

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you're mad at people for doing what you want to do but choose not to. Got it. Live it. I will too. You call people choosing to buy today, morons. Why?</div></div>

There's a BIG difference between somebody that chooses to buy today, and somebody who chooses to buy today based upon the outcome of Tuesday's election.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gold has gone from 200 bucks an ounce to 1700 bucks an ounce. Aren't they all panic buying morons? Some are making millions (not implying money makes people smart).</div></div>

Some of the folks buying gold <span style="font-weight: bold">are</span> panic buying morons, yes. Principally, the folks who are getting their gold buying advice from the likes of G Gordon Liddy, Glenn Beck, William Devane, etc.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you understand economics?</div></div>

Yes I do...certainly not enough to win a Nobel, but enough to get through my MBA courses. But since you broached the topic, do you understand why gold prices (along with many other commodities) have gone up so much? Its got a hell of a lot less to do with basic supply and demand fundamentals as it does - wait for it - <span style="font-style: italic">investor emotions.</span>

Stock & commodities markets are DRIVEN on emotion; perceptions, feelings, euphoria, and perhaps most importantly, fear.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of has a crystal ball and there may not be any AWB or new gun control but if I'm wrong I have stuff I need anyway and will consume eventually. Prices are no different today. If you're wrong though?

People being so dismissive and dramatic and throwing around epithets like panic buying assholes (Dan Tucker's description not mine) and calling fellow shooters morons is the tactic of a child throwing a temper tantrum. </div></div>

I presume you're a hard working, grown-ass man like most of us here. As such, why do you feel the need to justify your actions to us on the interwebs?

If you wanna stock up on 5.56 and black rifles and reloading components and _________ because Obama got re-elected, hey be my guest. You might be willing to pay the FEAR premium, but I'm not, so you'll get stuff and I'll have to wait - that's capitalism at its finest.

But don't get butthurt when folks on the internet find such fear-induced behavior to be, well...moronic.

 

[Immorteq]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you're mad at people for doing what you want to do but choose not to. Got it. Live it. I will too. You call people choosing to buy today, morons. Why?</div></div>

There's a BIG difference between somebody that chooses to buy today, and somebody who chooses to buy today based upon the outcome of Tuesday's election.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gold has gone from 200 bucks an ounce to 1700 bucks an ounce. Aren't they all panic buying morons? Some are making millions (not implying money makes people smart).</div></div>

Some of the folks buying gold <span style="font-weight: bold">are</span> panic buying morons, yes. Principally, the folks who are getting their gold buying advice from the likes of G Gordon Liddy, Glenn Beck, William Devane, etc.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you understand economics?</div></div>

Yes I do...certainly not enough to win a Nobel, but enough to get through my MBA courses. But since you broached the topic, do you understand why gold prices (along with many other commodities) have gone up so much? Its got a hell of a lot less to do with basic supply and demand fundamentals as it does - wait for it - <span style="font-style: italic">investor emotions.</span>

Stock & commodities markets are DRIVEN on emotion; perceptions, feelings, euphoria, and perhaps most importantly, fear.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of has a crystal ball and there may not be any AWB or new gun control but if I'm wrong I have stuff I need anyway and will consume eventually. Prices are no different today. If you're wrong though?

People being so dismissive and dramatic and throwing around epithets like panic buying assholes (Dan Tucker's description not mine) and calling fellow shooters morons is the tactic of a child throwing a temper tantrum. </div></div>

I presume you're a hard working, grown-ass man like most of us here. As such, why do you feel the need to justify your actions to us on the interwebs?

If you wanna stock up on 5.56 and black rifles and reloading components and _________ because Obama got re-elected, hey be my guest. You might be willing to pay the FEAR premium, but I'm not, so you'll get stuff and I'll have to wait - that's capitalism at its finest.

But don't get butthurt when folks on the internet find such fear-induced behavior to be, well...moronic. </div></div>

You're words on a computer screen and make as much difference in my life or my day as the directions on the back of a shampoo bottle. I buy what I choose to buy for whatever reason I choose to buy. Anyone that makes a purchase after the election is panicking according to this thread.

It doesn't matter one bit why this stuff happens. It just DOES happen. You can sit there and feel all smart and superior for rejecting the reason for the activity but that won't change the facts. I thought exactly the same way about those panicking gold buyers and they made a killing. FACT. Would I rather be right or rich? I shoot, a bunch. Prices will go up. Why, doesn't matter. I'd rather shoot than not so I buy what I can afford when I can. People that bought supplies before Tuesday were brilliant. People that bought after Tuesday are morons. Good theory, your professors must be proud.

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you're mad at people for doing what you want to do but choose not to. Got it. Live it. I will too. You call people choosing to buy today, morons. Why?

Gold has gone from 200 bucks an ounce to 1700 bucks an ounce. Aren't they all panic buying morons? Some are making millions (not implying money makes people smart). Do you understand economics?

None of has a crystal ball and there may not be any AWB or new gun control but if I'm wrong I have stuff I need anyway and will consume eventually. Prices are no different today. If you're wrong though?

People being so dismissive and dramatic and throwing around epithets like panic buying assholes (Dan Tucker's description not mine) and calling fellow shooters morons is the tactic of a child throwing a temper tantrum.</div></div>

Wait a minute now, we need to back up here. I never called anyone an asshole or a mooron in any of my posts. Get your facts straight please. My posts have only been about panick buying and nothing else. If you want to buy, charge up the credit cards or however you want to pay for it, go for it. My posts have only been about that i am not going to get sucked into this frenzy and line peoples pockets with inflated prices. Let the smoke blow ever. I would never down and call my forum members names like that. It is their hard earned money and they are the 1s to see fit how their money gets spent, not me. For the people trying to get double of what is worth, shame on them.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Something to think about in two years from now will the Rep. control the house? The fiscal cliff is just around the corner. This means higher taxes, cuts to the military (which means they will let people go), higher corporate taxes, and cuts to social programs.

Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste ...So all of the fiscal crisis stuff will be blamed on the Rep. for not being able to compromise and the mid term elections could go all Dem. Could/will it happen? I don't know, just something to think about. As for stocking up, I am broke so it's not happening for me.

 

[redhooker]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

I made a trip today to several gun dealers, looking around. My son has asked for a 5.56 for xmas this year and I was a bit concerned about locating what he wants (talk about lousy timing). Going from small shops to 2 of the larger stores this morning, I got some interesting "stories" from the salespeople. The smaller shops were all crying the same song-black rifles are in short supply so buy one of the 2 things we are offering RIGHT NOW. In contrast the 2 larger shops must have no less than 2,000 black rifles in stock today, but everything is about 10% higher in price in the $1500 and under bracket. No shortages at the shops that order regularly. The premium stuff is still priced the same and does not seem to be moving that fast, I looked at some LMT and LWRC stuff that is months-old stock and the sales guys said they were not getting as much interest (at 2k and up), compared to the cheaper options.

My current assessment (at least around my location) is if you need to buy one of the lesser priced AR rifles you may want to start looking around soon as there are still a few decent deals to be had, just be prepared to pay "sticker". Most shops have d/c'ed layaway just on ARs as well. 308 ARs are everywhere here.

The premium stuff I don't see disappearing anytime soon, and the prices are holding from several months ago. Some of us have to make a purchase with Christmas approaching so a few of my friends and I are scouring around for reasonable pricing.

 

[holy cow]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

^^^^^^ yea, i have also been out lately and have seen the same thing with plenty on the shelves. I really think it is not going to be near as bad as it was the first time.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Much of the fluctuation in commodity prices is due to uncertainty (looming tax hikes, debt, etc) combined with a very, very weak dollar. World demand has not shrank or significantly increased for commodity goods, supply hasn't shrank, but we're buying them with dollars that are worth less.

 

[50calibercruiser]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Everyone keeps talking panic pricing on stuff. Tulsa gun show last weekend prices were normal, Walmart shelves are still full in my neck of the woods and DPMS .223 Oracles can still be had for $559. Gene Sears still has everything you might need.

I'm buying extra now as an investment, it will most likely never be cheaper.

 

[Jhnmdahl]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

Seems like there are still plenty of quality lower receivers for $100 each, and as long as you have a pre-ban lower receiver it's a pre-ban gun, right?

 

[Tough Guy]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Randoman5</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AWB ain't gonna happen folks - at least not through legislative means, not so long as Republicans control the house.

Panic buying is for fools that are easily manipulated and don't understand how government works... </div></div>

Exactly. Enjoy your hoarding folks. It looks like now I'll have to wait even longer to get what I want at decent price, but at least you'll be ready for the zombies/black helicopters/ whatever crazy conspiracy you guys think you need an arsenal for. </div></div>

EXCELLENT POSTS and quite true.

 

[poorboyshooter]

Re: Should we stock up on "Assault Weapons"?

You should have 1 ar or ak or fal per family member and 1 pistol for each ,and a good back 22lr and one long range rifle,10 mags for each gun 2500 rnds for each gun large alice packs for each family member ,ok that should do now get shopping
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