Shoulder bumping

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Typically, how many firings do you expect to get from first fired factory rounds before you feel like you need to bump the case shoulders back 3 thou? I’m shooting Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor 140gn ELD Match Ammo from a standard RPR. There appears to be no bolt closing resistance at the moment. Your advice is always appreciated.

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I am one of those who anneal and FL size with a bushing die pushing the shoulder back .001-2 thou everytime. My brass usually always goes 15 reloads on average before the primer pockets are toast. I don't go crazy with pressure trying to get the fastest velocity possible. I have some Lapua 308 brass about to go on its 19th reload.
 
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"There appears to be no bolt closing resistance at the moment. "
You are shooting 'Spring Back'.
I would run the brass into the die (? which one?) until you just felt the shoulder contact.
Was that the shoulder I felt?, I think so, lock it down there.
That should fully resize with a bare minimum of bump.
Just don't screw it all up with an expander ball.
The tell is in the feel when chambering.
 
"There appears to be no bolt closing resistance at the moment. "
You are shooting 'Spring Back'.
I would run the brass into the die (? which one?) until you just felt the shoulder contact.
Was that the shoulder I felt?, I think so, lock it down there.
That should fully resize with a bare minimum of bump.
Just don't screw it all up with an expander ball.
The tell is in the feel when chambering.
I’m using an RCBS FLS die. I started using the case prep thread on this site....blackening necks, decamping and neck sizing down to a visible line just above the shoulder. My Hornady casehead measuring kit arrive and I started measuring the cases. With the kit my cases were measuring 3.543 give or take a thou. Watched a YouTube video on bumping shoulders and the guy says to set the die up to just cam over. Did that....ran a case up with a #10 shell holder and my headspace went from 3.543 to 3.530. By my reckoning that’s 13 thou back? What the heck? I should only be bumping 3 thou?
You mention “don’t screw it up with an expander ball”. Take it out of the die? It’s hard for me to ‘feel’ shoulder contact. Am I using the wrong die set?
I appreciate your advice so much. This is my first foray into precision reloading. All my reloading so far has been large batch reloading for prairie dog shooting.

Stay cool.
 
I’m using an RCBS FLS die. I started using the case prep thread on this site....blackening necks, decamping and neck sizing down to a visible line just above the shoulder. My Hornady casehead measuring kit arrive and I started measuring the cases. With the kit my cases were measuring 3.543 give or take a thou. Watched a YouTube video on bumping shoulders and the guy says to set the die up to just cam over. Did that....ran a case up with a #10 shell holder and my headspace went from 3.543 to 3.530. By my reckoning that’s 13 thou back? What the heck? I should only be bumping 3 thou?
You mention “don’t screw it up with an expander ball”. Take it out of the die? It’s hard for me to ‘feel’ shoulder contact. Am I using the wrong die set?
I appreciate your advice so much. This is my first foray into precision reloading. All my reloading so far has been large batch reloading for prairie dog shooting.

Stay cool.
I think it would be hard for anyone to feel shoulder contact, resistance felt sizing is the case base, I doubt you could get it right by screwing the die down onto the case.
Yes, a 13 thou bump is way too much, back the die out and start fresh, using the measuring tools you bought, just adj the die down farther each try till you get a .002" bump, which is perfect for once fired brass, you can tighten the bump up next firing.
 
The way I would approach it and this is JMHO...

If you are starting with new factory ammo, neck size only for 2-3 firings or until the cases become hard to extract. They are now expanded to fit your chamber. Set your full length sizing die to touch the shell plate. Begin full length sizing in small increments until the case will chamber with no resistance. This is best done with the firing pin and ejector removed from the bolt so that you are only feeling resistance from the case and not the cocking mechanism or ejector spring. When the bolt closes with zero resistance, that is your guns headspace. Measure that case with your comparater and reord that number. If you can do this with several cases and take an average, it's even better.
The measurement on the comparator is not an exact headspace measurment but rather a relative number you are going to be working off of.
Turn your die down until the comparator measures .002 shorter than the original measurement(for a bolt gun) Once the comparator reads .002" less, lock your die and from then on every case you size will be right for the headspace in that gun.
Your throat will eventually erode and you will have to "chase the lands", but the headspace will never change until you rebarrel or load for another gun.
Be sure you use the same shellholder you used to adjust the die.
If you are loading the same caliber for multiple guns, the Redding Competition shell holders are worth looking at. They let you leave the die at one setting and achieve different amounts of shoulder bump by only changing shellholders.
If you want to know the exact headspace measurement in your chamber the RCBS Precision Mic will give you that.
 
Back when I neck sized a lot I usually got 3 or so firings before I annealed and set the shoulder back.
I could go 4 maybe 5 but but didn’t want to fight the bolt on chambering.

Now I usually bump the shoulder a thou or do every firing.
 
I don't know but it sure seems like I can feel when I hit the shoulder when using the Redding body die.
I can't cam over with my Lee press, but can adjust the die so that I get slight contact when the linkage hits the stops. With virgin brass, which is short to begin with I don't want to make it any shorter.

When bumping 6mm Hagar down to 22N length, a little at a time, I'm pretty sure I can feel the shoulder hit the die, stop, bump a little more until I hit the stops.
 
Cam over is based on mftrs instructions to make sure the round will chamber, NOT for accuracy or minimal shoulder bump. Forget setting die to cam over UNLESS using Redding competition shell holders and then trial and error to get your minimal shoulder bump. Set the standard dies with standard shell holder to exact degree of bump regardless of cam over. also beware shellholder heights have been known to very as much as .010 but supposed to all be around .25. I always use one shellholder with each set of dies and it stays in the box.
 
I don't know but it sure seems like I can feel when I hit the shoulder when using the Redding body die.
I can't cam over with my Lee press, but can adjust the die so that I get slight contact when the linkage hits the stops.

I can easily feel even a thou or two of shoulder bump on my Lee Classic turret with my body die.

I actually prefer the lee stops over cam over.

Cam over is nice when a lot of force is needed though.
 
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