Gonna spin up a new barrel in 6 creed. Just wanted to know if there is a difference in recoil reduction between the hellfire and the sidewinder.
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Sidewinder or Hellfire?
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Guess what I meant to say is I’m looking for maximum recoil reduction. Does the sidewinder reduce more?
Using a big bore brake on a6mm won’t help. In fact it’ll probably make it worse........not that a 6creed recoils heavy anyway.
Ok. I just talk to some guys I shoot prs with and they say they do better. Just trying to get more advice.
Placebo maybe IMHO. You can always call Area 419, I’m sure they have some actual data on it.
Hi,
Both the hellfire and the sidewinder eliminate ALL recoil from a 6CM.....ALL of it.
Sincerely,
Theis
Both the hellfire and the sidewinder eliminate ALL recoil from a 6CM.....ALL of it.
Sincerely,
Theis
Think about how brakes work, buddy. It redirects expanding gases. There's some research that suggests almost all the effect happens in the first two ports.
Putting a bigger brake on doesn't reduce recoil more, more gas pushed through a bigger brake reduces recoil more.
Bigger brake on the same amount of gas is likely to do nothing extra, and may reduce recoil less because the ports are designed for more gas volume than a 6mm is producing.
Putting a bigger brake on doesn't reduce recoil more, more gas pushed through a bigger brake reduces recoil more.
Bigger brake on the same amount of gas is likely to do nothing extra, and may reduce recoil less because the ports are designed for more gas volume than a 6mm is producing.
I went to Area 419 website. On the website it said the Hellfire brake was good on 300 Win Mag. I talk to 2 different people at Brownells both said get the Hellfire for my 300 Win Mag.
My rifle is still at gun smith getting bedded. So I just have to see.
My rifle is still at gun smith getting bedded. So I just have to see.
On that little pip squeek pea shooter definitely the hellfire.
419 told me basically 60 grains of powder or more is where the sidewinder starts making good sense.
419 told me basically 60 grains of powder or more is where the sidewinder starts making good sense.
show me a slow motion video of a 4 port brake where all of the gas has been removed by the first 2 ports and nothing is coming out of the second or third ports. Basic physics tells us as long as there is gas coming out the 4th port it is still reducing recoil more. Although it is very small gains. It depends on whether you think the larger brake disadvantages you more than the small amount of extra recoil reduction. Personally I think the larger brake is of no disadvantage
I guess everyone should slap T7’s on our rifles for maximum effect then.
Sounds like a fantastic plan with a hole through the middle for a 50 cal, but what ever floats your boat
I'll rephrase for the internet brake scientists out there, it's been suggested that the first two ports are what do the majority of the recoil reduction work.
I'm sure there's gas getting past them, Francis, but I doubt it's doing a whole lot for you. Certainly by the time you hit the third port there isn't much left over, not enough to justify another port on top of that (four instead of three) on a non Magnum gas volume cartridge.
I'd be willing to bet the shape, angle, size, direction of the ports are WAY more important than the number of ports. Or like the man said, we'd all be running T7s.
I'm sure there's gas getting past them, Francis, but I doubt it's doing a whole lot for you. Certainly by the time you hit the third port there isn't much left over, not enough to justify another port on top of that (four instead of three) on a non Magnum gas volume cartridge.
I'd be willing to bet the shape, angle, size, direction of the ports are WAY more important than the number of ports. Or like the man said, we'd all be running T7s.
Hi,
Well shit, if the number of ports equate to efficient recoil reduction I wonder why big guns like the 50, 14.5mm, 20mm, etc etc all pretty much prefer clam style (single-double port) brakes....
Things to ponder on a rainy weekend....
Sincerely,
Theis
Well shit, if the number of ports equate to efficient recoil reduction I wonder why big guns like the 50, 14.5mm, 20mm, etc etc all pretty much prefer clam style (single-double port) brakes....
Things to ponder on a rainy weekend....
Sincerely,
Theis
Sidewinder is for the rich fags in the air, hellfire is for the poors walking around on the ground.
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Not quite, much like the actual missiles... Both server a role and aren't interchangeable.
The recoil sensor in my shoulder tells me the Sidewinder is more effective than a Hellfire...
... but a Maverick is the one hitting the switch for both of them.
... but a Maverick is the one hitting the switch for both of them.
I know its not what you asked but I been running the MDT elite brake on my 6.5 CM and grendel and it reduces recoil very well. Cheaper too
I'm shooting 6 creed. I've used the 419 HF, SW, and currently apa little bastard. all top ports are open on the APA and I'm not sure if I'm seeing any significant less muzzle flip. I know there's minimal recoil in the 6 creed, but I think he's specifically asking asking about keeping on target or to reduce muzzle flip. Its been a year since I've used the HF, I might take all 3 off these brakes out to the range and do a comparison test in one range session.
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