
SIG Sauer Wins US Army Next Generation Squad Weapon Contract
It has announced that SIG Sauer's submission has been selected as the US Army's Next Generation Squad Weapon. SIG will provide the 6.8mm NGSW-rifle and NGSW-Automatic Rifle.

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You bid at cost and then you submit your change orders for the barrel, trigger , butt stock , chassis, scope and most important the firing pin. During this process you add summer home,car and yacht for said government official over seeing the contract. Easy Peasy Japanesey.I don't understand the fascination with 6.8.
Or SIG other than that they have to be bidding these things damn near at cost.
If they don‘t make a huge profit, the sheer amount of marketing this brings them is huge.I don't understand the fascination with 6.8.
Or SIG other than that they have to be bidding these things damn near at cost.
A piston plays nicer with the suppressors the Marines and now Army are fielding.To paraphrase someone's comment at TFB about this, "with the USMC's HK m27 and the Army choosing the Sig SPEAR, the future is looking piston".
Tell us how you really feel about the dirty running Direct Impingement design!DI is dead. Was a horrible concept from Day-1.
Yeah, there's the option of using the non-reciprocating left side charging handle.The single biggest technical improvement on the spear is it’s a side charger. That’s a game changer and should be the standard.
That's something I learnt from a (very) wealthy friend.You bid at cost and then you submit your change orders for the barrel, trigger , butt stock , chassis, scope and most important the firing pin. During this process you add summer home,car and yacht for said government official over seeing the contract. Easy Peasy Japanesey.
If they can use barrel material close to Bartlein 400BB I think wear will be similar on the barrel at least.Interesting ammo. A 135ish grain bullet with 80,000 psi chamber pressure and a steel case head to handle the pressure. Supposedly about 3000fps.
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.277 SIG Fury Cartridge: Everything You Need to Know - Guns and Ammo
SAAMI approved a maximum chamber pressure of 80,000psi for the new .277 SIG Fury. First unveiled in late 2019, the cartridge is the result of SIG Sauer's participation in the Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) military procurement solicitations.www.gunsandammo.com
Creed on the left and .308 on the right.
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Take a chill pill man. We get it , you hate DI, to the point of arguing about it with no one in a thread not really pertaining to it.How many .Mil rifles around the world are piston and how many Di?
Di:
m16/m4/ARs
Piston:
HK 416/417
HK g3
HK g36
FN SCAR
MCX SPEAR
AK
FAL
AUG
Tavor
Galil
SA80
ar18/ar180/South Korea's K2
Beretta ARX
M1
General Dynamics' NGSW offering
Textron's NGSW offering
This is the big question. The current wonder steels (HK) can't even handle 58-60K PSI with the M885A1 that is breaking bolts left and right. But somehow Sig with its abysmal track record is going to be able to make a gun that will not only run but not shoot itself or blow itself up at 80K+ PSI?Can an AI AT action handle 80k+ psi?
The 6.8/.277 supposedly can do 3k FPS out of a 16" for up to 7k rounds.
That seems promising.
Its like every post is dumber than the last...........If the Sig SPEAR and HK 416 continue to make inroads, we should eventually see the prices of Di ARs wane, which is good for consumers. 5.56 ammo should come down too. Eventually.
There is a reason this picture is used in the contracting world on both the gov and contractor side.That's something I learnt from a (very) wealthy friend.
Any plan with bad oversight (government or inexperienced clients), you can bid under cost. Charge through the teeth for changes.
This family declares a profit in the nine figures each year. Self made.
The Marines have their shiny new HK rifles...Big Army won't let that go unchallenged.You're counting your chickens before they've hatched. The CSASS was down selected. But never funded. Just because SIG won doesn't mean the gun will ever get fielded. It may. It may not.
With what? Except for a tiny percentage of spec-ops guys the Army is still M16/M4.We already did.
The army is smart enough to realize whatever small arm infantry and close combat support use is irrelevant since the vast majority of enemy casualties are from HE and over-pressure. Unless there is a revolutionary change in weight or power per recoil/weight/durability such as caseless ammo reducing the weight of the ammo carried, its not worth changing from the M4. As a platform it is mature and damn near perfected. Materials science is not there yet or atleast not where its economically viable. There is also the physics problem in that metal cases remove heat from the weapon system.With what? Except for a tiny percentage of spec-ops guys the Army is still M16/M4.
So you spent a lot of typing to admit the Army hasn't done what you said they did.The army is smart enough to realize whatever small arm infantry and close combat support use is irrelevant since the vast majority of enemy casualties are from HE and over-pressure. Unless there is a revolutionary change in weight or power per recoil/weight/durability such as caseless ammo reducing the weight of the ammo carried, its not worth changing from the M4. As a platform it is mature and damn near perfected. Materials science is not there yet or atleast not where its economically viable. There is also the physics problem in that metal cases remove heat from the weapon system.
The marines could have put a Carl G in every squad, Updated to a modern LMG/MMG using constant recoil or developed better squad drone systems or developed a modern lighter weight mortar with lighter rounds or any number of ideas that would have been a better investment.
To paraphrase someone's comment at TFB about this, "with the USMC's HK m27 and the Army choosing the Sig SPEAR, the future is looking piston".
You bid at cost and then you submit your change orders for the barrel, trigger , butt stock , chassis, scope and most important the firing pin. During this process you add summer home,car and yacht for said government official over seeing the contract. Easy Peasy Japanesey.
Interesting ammo. A 135ish grain bullet with 80,000 psi chamber pressure and a steel case head to handle the pressure. Supposedly about 3000fps.
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.277 SIG Fury Cartridge: Everything You Need to Know - Guns and Ammo
SAAMI approved a maximum chamber pressure of 80,000psi for the new .277 SIG Fury. First unveiled in late 2019, the cartridge is the result of SIG Sauer's participation in the Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) military procurement solicitations.www.gunsandammo.com
Creed on the left and .308 on the right.
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If they don‘t make a huge profit, the sheer amount of marketing this brings them is huge.
How many .Mil rifles around the world are piston and how many Di?
Di:
m16/m4/ARs
Piston:
HK 416/417
HK g3
HK g36
FN SCAR
MCX SPEAR
AK
FAL
AUG
Tavor
Galil
SA80
ar18/ar180/South Korea's K2
Beretta ARX
M1
General Dynamics' NGSW offering
Textron's NGSW offering
The army has not changed their service rifle, they haven't replaced the only squad organic suppressive fire weapon for a semi auto that breaks at a rate far higher than any other weapon within the squad.So you spent a lot of typing to admit the Army hasn't done what you said they did.
The HK rifle allowed the Marines to issue suppressors to pretty much every person in combat arms. Which is a big thing.
You mean as in something like this?
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The Marines already deploy drones extensively. In fact iirc the Corps was the first Service to utilize the modern UAVs. I turned down an assignment to the unit.
The fielding of a new rifle hasn't prevented the Marines from also looking into new LMG/HMGs to replace the M240/M2. Weapons utilizing the recoil reduction technology shown in the NGSW trails. They are also looking at the .338 machine gun that SOCOM adopted.
Why inflict a heavier/more expensive weapon on a squad. The AT4 works just as well as the GarlG. Which until recently was only issued to Army spec-ops/Rangers and yes Marine Raiders.
This is what happens when people with zero fighting experience talk about shit as if they know anything.I think you perceive shit like this matters much more than it actually does
This is just yet another big fat cost-plus and change order ridden contract waiting to happen and it will fail miserably. I find myself thinking back to all of the fiascos in picking weapon platforms, fulfilling orders, and having zero support.
The funny part about piston guns is who actually used them. The 416 is used buy JSOC and if you actually know why it was chosen you would not bring up the piston. Because that is not why it was chosen. It was the barrel and only the barrel. At the time it was the ONLY one that had the CHF and heavy chrome lining. It was a cost thing. JSOC fire a shit ton of ammo and buying new guns/barrels all of the time cost a ton of money. So the bean counters thought that they could save money with the 416.
How many .Mil rifles around the world are piston and how many Di?
Di:
m16/m4/ARs
Piston:
HK 416/417
HK g3
HK g36
FN SCAR
MCX SPEAR
AK
FAL
AUG
Tavor
Galil
SA80
ar18/ar180/South Korea's K2
Beretta ARX
M1
Howa 64, 89, 20
General Dynamics' NGSW offering
Textron's NGSW offering
It's been said for a while, but not widely shared that HK could've made it as a standard gas system and achieved similar results. The 416 succeeded despite the op-rod making it a harder-recoiling, lug shearing, disconnector smashing pig that could churn out more rounds than a Mk18 before the barrel got toasted.
Love 'em or hate 'em...HK knows how to make a good fucking barrel.