SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????????

[PistonPete]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That made me spit out coffee! </div></div>

at your age, coffee will stunt the growth of your brain..., ooooh ! i am sorry, it seems as though that has already happened. </div></div>

What page of your internet joke book are you on? That was hilarious...............


*crickets* *crickets*

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that is a top secret, and you do not have clearance to even open a McGuffey's Reader, "The eclectic first reader for young children: consisting of progressive lessons in reading and spelling, mostly in easy words of one and two syllables [Book] by William Holmes McGuffey"

but just for you i will send you a copy of this book if you promise to obtain a tutor to help you thru the hard parts.

 

[PistonPete]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PMS PETE you are an idiot! Deadly has shown his credentials AND pictures of himself overseas protecting and giving up his everyday freedoms....., blah, blah, blah and more BS </div></div>

must have missed them, would you kindly post them for Deadratly as he don't have the balls for it. </div></div>

Are you just trying to start an internet war or are you this cantankerous. I think Deadly0311 has shown himself to be what he says he is. You...not so sure. If you like to play the internet war games have at it but I personally come to this site to learn from others. Why play the games that you do. Go somewhere else to play those games.
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sir...!!!! if you look back i posted my <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span> of silencers/suppressors and was immediately attacked for my <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span>.., tell me now was that the right thing for these Piston Pete haters to do ?? be honest, check out the games the <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">HATERS</span></span> play with me, OK ?

i am NOT the one playing games it is the <span style="font-weight: bold">HATERS</span>

 

[deadly0311]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

Pete you have a PM...i promise that it should be more than sufficing to show what ive done.

<span style="font-size: 17pt"> <span style="color: #3333FF">Pete Here is a picture just for you </span> </span>

 

[PistonPete]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pete you a were a fucking Jet mechanic or something, hardly protecting anything. Again, <span style="color: #FF0000">Pete i have more than once told you what i have done. (refresh my memory please i do not recall you ever telling me of your 15 minutes of fame)</span> So if im right that you dont know shit about cans or supressors why the hell are you still posting here? Pete, you werent a Marine, you may have known some Marines, but you dont "get" Marines. </div></div>

aah haaa !!! just as i thought, an egotistical self centered POS who thinks..., ooopsie doo "FEEEEELS" <span style="color: #3333FF">(i use feeeel because you sound just like the typical WDC liarberal)</span> he is the only one who contributed any thing to the defense of this great country, i would bet a $100.00 that you FEEEEEL the same about the mechanics who keep your tanks, trucks and latrines up & running, a TRUE Marine knows that every service member who serves from the most lowly scullery attendant to the Admirals seat knows that EVERY one in uniform contributes to the defense of our great country, you sir are not deserving of the title U.S. Marine, you sir should hide your face under a bushel (biblical) for saying this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Pete you a were a fucking Jet mechanic or something, hardly protecting anything.</div></div>

in fact i do not believe you were ever a Marine, a lot of posers like you can use the i-net to fake up a resume.
have a great life and stop disparaging the service of a true 25 year U.S.Navy Vet </div></div>

hey there Deadratly, where is your reply to this post ? do you hate your mechanics who keep the machinery up and running so that you can allegedly do your job ?? are they also non contributors and "hardly protecting anything" to the whole picture ?

thank you for your service..., providing you ever did serve !!!!

 

[deadly0311]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

Yes Pete, i absolutely hate with a Passion POGs, which you would qualify, by the way that stands for Persons Other than Grunts...you fall right into that category. But you come on here spouting shit off like you were involved in some major combat...kinda hard to be shot at when you are fixing a jet engine though. Top Secret still classified, go pound sand man, you are nothing more than a senile old fuck who wants to talk himself up. For your info as well, i do have some pretty real world experience with suppressors, this is an Ops Inc can, taken in a far away land. Care to guess where it was?

 

[elkkid3]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 17pt"> <span style="color: #3333FF">Pete Here is a picture just for you </span> </span></div></div>

HAHA.

 

[KYS]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

Pete, the mall trolling ninja who never steps away from his keyboard.
And to think our tax dollars are going to keep this ass bag from starving to death.... meals on wheels is not cheap!

I bet you wouldn't say any of the crap you do to any of our faces. And don't say you would, because we all know you are a coward, and a liar.

You really have shown your true colors lately, and they are NOT red, white, and blue.

 

[308chick]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

Damnnnnnn Pete YOU GOT OWNED

 

[KYS]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

He got owned multiple times, hence his position in life currently.

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pete you a were a fucking Jet mechanic or something, hardly protecting anything. Again, <span style="color: #FF0000">Pete i have more than once told you what i have done. (refresh my memory please i do not recall you ever telling me of your 15 minutes of fame)</span> So if im right that you dont know shit about cans or supressors why the hell are you still posting here? Pete, you werent a Marine, you may have known some Marines, but you dont "get" Marines. </div></div>

aah haaa !!! just as i thought, an egotistical self centered POS who thinks..., ooopsie doo "FEEEEELS" <span style="color: #3333FF">(i use feeeel because you sound just like the typical WDC liarberal)</span> he is the only one who contributed any thing to the defense of this great country, i would bet a $100.00 that you FEEEEEL the same about the mechanics who keep your tanks, trucks and latrines up & running, a TRUE Marine knows that every service member who serves from the most lowly scullery attendant to the Admirals seat knows that EVERY one in uniform contributes to the defense of our great country, you sir are not deserving of the title U.S. Marine, you sir should hide your face under a bushel (biblical) for saying this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Pete you a were a fucking Jet mechanic or something, hardly protecting anything.</div></div>

in fact i do not believe you were ever a Marine, a lot of posers like you can use the i-net to fake up a resume.
have a great life and stop disparaging the service of a true 25 year U.S.Navy Vet </div></div>

hey there Deadratly, where is your reply to this post ? do you hate your mechanics who keep the machinery up and running so that you can allegedly do your job ?? are they also non contributors and "hardly protecting anything" to the whole picture ?

thank you for your service..., providing you ever did serve !!!!</div></div>

I did read your <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span></span></span> and I thought it was shortsighted and I told you why. I don't think you have operational experience, other than the range, to determine whether suppressors work in real world environments. I told you my opinion from on the range and I also have operational experience with suppressors so I told you that you are incorrect. I also believe that others have done the same. Not sure why we are still talking about it because until you have operational experience with cans you don't have much to say.

 

[JUtter]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

Aww Pete, couldn't you wait to find a bathroom?
Did you have to take a crap in this thread too?

Seriously, it's like having a new puppy in the house, you got to watch where you step.

Not trying to pile on, just tired of topics getting derailed by big blue letters which are surely coming my way now.

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is the BEST for AR-M4??????? </div></div>

One that can be used on a .308

 

[DP425]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

I'm a bit surprised no one pointed out an obvious fact-- Suppressors for most of the uses the military uses them for isn't intended to make for a 100% silent kill. It's a bit tough to drop a target from any sort of reasonable distance with subsonic ammo. The true value in using a suppressor is the fact that it obscures the location of the shooter. Yes, you still have a rather loud sonic crack, and depending on the quality of the can, the muzzle report might not be as quiet as you'd like. But again, we're not talking about making silent kills. If you can't hear the muzzle report from a distance, the only sound you have to go off of is the sonic crack of the bullet. Anyone who has seen a picture of a jet going super sonic, you can see how the sound propagates off of the object going into super sonic flight. The crack comes off at an angle from the tip. What this does for you, is if you engage a target in the middle of a mass of people, those to the left will swear it came from the right... those to the right will swear it came from the left. It prevents the shooters location from being narrowed down due to the muzzle report. And the inability to hear a muzzle report also prevents a range estimation.

That's the true tactical advantage to suppressors on long guns- confusion and obscuring your location... to do that, you don't need a 100% silent rifle. On carbines and pistols it comes down to muzzle flash, shoot-ability and less noise in confined environments...

Anyone having real experience with suppressors would be well aware of this, and not expect a true silent weapon.

Just curious Pete, was that can wet or dry?

OP... like most things in the firearms world... you get what you pay for; keep that in mind. Cheaper isn't always a deal.

 

[PistonPete]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jbulrs3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aww Pete, couldn't you wait to find a bathroom?
Did you have to take a crap in this thread too?

Seriously, it's like having a new puppy in the house, you got to watch where you step.

Not trying to pile on, just tired of topics getting derailed by big blue letters which are surely coming my way now. </div></div>

hey there tard, i posted a fucking<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 17pt"> O-FUCKING-PINION</span></span>, do you know what a fucking <span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span> is, are you so fucking stupid that people in the good ol U.S.A. are still allowed to have opinions ? with out having a hands on experience, i told the retards, most especially you, on this forum i based my fucking <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span> on what i HEAR and for your dumbass info, that for me is enough experience, and whether it is used in real time combat or on a shooting range if i can hear it 7 benches away, it ain't worth a shit, i know it will take a few months for that to soak into your thick fucking Neanderthal skull, so in the mean time FOAD

copied from yours and mine friendly on line dictionary

<span style="font-weight: bold">opinion |&#601;&#712;piny&#601;n|
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, <span style="color: #FF0000">not necessarily based on fact or knowledge</span> : I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance | that, in my opinion, is dead right.
• the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing : the changing climate of opinion.
• ( opinion of) an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something : I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved.
• a formal statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter : seeking a second opinion from a specialist.
• Law a formal statement of reasons for a judgment given.
• Law a lawyer's advice on the merits of a case.</span>

i suggest you start at the 4th grade level of school when you dropped out and try to get educated right on up to 12th grade, they still pass out diplomas not for achievement but just for attending, so try your best OK ??

 

[PistonPete]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just curious Pete, was that can wet or dry?</div></div>

<span style="font-size: 14pt">????????????????????</span>

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is the BEST for AR-M4??????? </div></div>

One that can be used on a .308 </div></div>

Careful with your quotes.

I didn't ask the quoted question.

 

[DP425]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

I thought you said it was the quietest can ever? And that you had all this experience around cans... There's a big difference in sound reduction between a can that is dry and one that's wet...

you don't know what I'm asking?

 

[Guest]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just curious Pete, was that can wet or dry?</div></div>

<span style="font-size: 14pt">????????????????????</span> </div></div>

Very basic can question,... next question would be if wet or gassed, what fluid/gas was use to produce that db ?
Gas you ask, yes there is a gas that can be induced into the can an bore, that will work wonders for that first shot. Do a search,... I know Hollywood is leaving you hanging these days, because the gas trick has been on a, Need To Know, until 3 months ago,... and ain't been around long enough for want-a-bees to catch up.

 

[PistonPete]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought you said it was the quietest can ever? And that you had all this experience around cans... There's a big difference in sound reduction between a can that is dry and one that's wet...

you don't know what I'm asking? </div></div>

i do not know.., why is it so fucking hard for you folks to understand that my only experience with these fucking <span style="font-weight: bold">"CANS"</span> are <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 17pt">HEARING</span></span> them and once more, my<span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #CC0000">OPINION</span></span> </span> they are still too loud, why the hell are all of you pilling on me for my fucking OPINION ???????

get off it for fucks sake !!

 

[Guest]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

I don't think the problem is pilling, as much as it is getting, correct answers, for the questions ask.

Alot of us know the difference between rain an piss running down our backs, and will let alot of "Warm Rain" run off. Then again a few, bait others to find out where they stand,... problem is, you won't know the truth about them(unless you know where to look) until their L/D has been crossed. Profiles can be had, by asking the right questions from both sides of the fence. YMMV

 

[KYS]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jbulrs3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aww Pete, couldn't you wait to find a bathroom?
Did you have to take a crap in this thread too?

Seriously, it's like having a new puppy in the house, you got to watch where you step.

Not trying to pile on, just tired of topics getting derailed by big blue letters which are surely coming my way now. </div></div>

hey there tard, i posted a fucking<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 17pt"> O-FUCKING-PINION</span></span>, do you know what a fucking <span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span> is, are you so fucking stupid that people in the good ol U.S.A. are still allowed to have opinions ? with out having a hands on experience, i told the retards, most especially you, on this forum i based my fucking <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span> on what i HEAR and for your dumbass info, that for me is enough experience, and whether it is used in real time combat or on a shooting range if i can hear it 7 benches away, it ain't worth a shit, i know it will take a few months for that to soak into your thick fucking Neanderthal skull, so in the mean time FOAD

copied from yours and mine friendly on line dictionary

<span style="font-weight: bold">opinion |&#601;&#712;piny&#601;n|
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, <span style="color: #FF0000">not necessarily based on fact or knowledge</span> : I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance | that, in my opinion, is dead right.
• the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing : the changing climate of opinion.
• ( opinion of) an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something : I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved.
• a formal statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter : seeking a second opinion from a specialist.
• Law a formal statement of reasons for a judgment given.
• Law a lawyer's advice on the merits of a case.</span>

i suggest you start at the 4th grade level of school when you dropped out and try to get educated right on up to 12th grade, they still pass out diplomas not for achievement but just for attending, so try your best OK ?? </div></div>

Cursing is the language of the unintelligent.

 

[2manygunz]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm a bit surprised no one pointed out an obvious fact-- Suppressors for most of the uses the military uses them for isn't intended to make for a 100% silent kill. It's a bit tough to drop a target from any sort of reasonable distance with subsonic ammo. The true value in using a suppressor is the fact that it obscures the location of the shooter. Yes, you still have a rather loud sonic crack, and depending on the quality of the can, the muzzle report might not be as quiet as you'd like. But again, we're not talking about making silent kills. If you can't hear the muzzle report from a distance, the only sound you have to go off of is the sonic crack of the bullet. Anyone who has seen a picture of a jet going super sonic, you can see how the sound propagates off of the object going into super sonic flight. The crack comes off at an angle from the tip. What this does for you, is if you engage a target in the middle of a mass of people, those to the left will swear it came from the right... those to the right will swear it came from the left. It prevents the shooters location from being narrowed down due to the muzzle report. And the inability to hear a muzzle report also prevents a range estimation.

That's the true tactical advantage to suppressors on long guns- confusion and obscuring your location... to do that, you don't need a 100% silent rifle. On carbines and pistols it comes down to muzzle flash, shoot-ability and less noise in confined environments...</div></div>

+1 Thank you.

Rest was quite amusing, but I've run out of popcorn. Time to move on.

I'm in line for that SWR. I'm convinced it will be a great can and am willing to be a guinea pig. Will be able to tell you in about 6 months!

Above, another member suggested you list out your goals for the can in more detail. If length and weight is of any concern, you might want to check out Tornado Tech's "Stubby". Of all M4 options I've seen, that one's the most intriguing.

Not likely the best sound reduction, but it's half the length and only 66% the weight of other 5.56 cans out there. Since you asked for the M4, a carbine, maybe CQB and portability are an issue for you. Getting in and out of a vehicle, or around a corner, would be much easier with a stubby on there.

Someday I'd love to put that can on an SBR!

If you are a truck to bench shooter, then you might give the YHM Phantom some consideration. It's relatively inexpensive, very effective, and built to survive a nuclear blast. It also has a slightly larger bore, which means the chance of a baffle strike is fairly nil. If you go through a lot of rounds, the durability of that suppressor will be rewarding. (It's also long and heavy. See above.)

Anyway, just some thoughts.

 

[glock63]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jbulrs3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aww Pete, couldn't you wait to find a bathroom?
Did you have to take a crap in this thread too?

Seriously, it's like having a new puppy in the house, you got to watch where you step.

Not trying to pile on, just tired of topics getting derailed by big blue letters which are surely coming my way now. </div></div>

hey there tard, i posted a fucking<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 17pt"> O-FUCKING-PINION</span></span>, do you know what a fucking <span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span> is, are you so fucking stupid that people in the good ol U.S.A. are still allowed to have opinions ? with out having a hands on experience, i told the retards, most especially you, on this forum i based my fucking <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">OPINION</span></span> on what i HEAR and for your dumbass info, that for me is enough experience, and whether it is used in real time combat or on a shooting range if i can hear it 7 benches away, it ain't worth a shit, i know it will take a few months for that to soak into your thick fucking Neanderthal skull, so in the mean time FOAD

copied from yours and mine friendly on line dictionary

<span style="font-weight: bold">opinion |&#601;&#712;piny&#601;n|
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, <span style="color: #FF0000">not necessarily based on fact or knowledge</span> : I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance | that, in my opinion, is dead right.
• the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing : the changing climate of opinion.
• ( opinion of) an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something : I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved.
• a formal statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter : seeking a second opinion from a specialist.
• Law a formal statement of reasons for a judgment given.
• Law a lawyer's advice on the merits of a case.</span>

i suggest you start at the 4th grade level of school when you dropped out and try to get educated right on up to 12th grade, they still pass out diplomas not for achievement but just for attending, so try your best OK ?? </div></div>

Take your counter sniper scopes and go away. stfu about things you know nothing about.

 

[pat4668]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

wow sounds like alot of drama in this thread im not in to that but i would love to own a suppressor but my state wont allow civillians to own them no matter even if u do put the paperwork in for a class III liscense, but i was curious whats the difference between a wet or dry can. the reason is i plan on moving to wyoming in about a year if the funds of another job go thru and was wanting to get one then. thanks

 

[DP425]

Re: SILENCERS....what is the BEST for AR-M4???????

Most suppressors are going to be designed for dry use, but some can be used either way or are designed specifically for wet use. Wet simply refers to the addition of a substance to the baffle area of the suppressor; water, oil, grease or special gels. What's happening is that the fluid helps to rapidly decrease the temp of the gases from the muzzle; this decreases their volume as a result of the physical properties of gas. Less gas=less noise. But you have various issues involved with running wet cans, one of which is that the substance in the can must be replenished and some last longer than others. Also, due to the nature of having liquids or semi-viscus fluids in the can, you'll lose accuracy (think about consistency of route of travel for exhaust gases in relation to muzzle crown--- now compare that to a can filled with grease/water/whatever which will displace with every shot in different directions).

Just get a conventional can designed for dry use- running a wet can is really a pretty specialized affair- same with actually using gas jetted into the can/tube; only practical for specific applications... Not to mention, they aren't exactly popular these days due to the above stated draw backs.