Hunting & Fishing Smartwools long underwear

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Im a firm believer in using wool and layering. I've heard for quite a while about not putting cotton against the skin. So I try not to use cotton clothing of any kind when I'm hunting in cold weather. I have some underarmor and some wool/polyester blend long underwear. I'm not convinced that the underarmour is all that. I'm looking at getting some smartwools long underwear, tops and bottoms. Do any of you guys use them, or another brand? Thanks.
 
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Unless one is using a merino type wool that has exceptionally fine wool fibers then I would rather use something like your underarmour next to my skin to avoid the itchiness that is often associated with larger wool fibers. I do own and have used the smartwool socks and didn't have issues with those.
 
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Been wearing this stuff for the past few weeks. Been out all day for the past two days training and it hasn't hit 20*, I haven't gotten cold yet. The pants don't bother me in the least. I bought a turtle neck and it's just a tiny bit scratchy on my neck but I get used to it pretty quick and don't notice it once I get out in the cold.

Minus33

I'll never wear polypro or cotton again.
 
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The smartwool is some great stuff but I refuse to support them any longer as they are very environmentally minded. And not the good way in my opinion.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lank</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The smartwool is some great stuff but I refuse to support them any longer as they are very environmentally minded. And not the good way in my opinion. </div></div>

If this is true.....I'll be very unhappy. I have been using their products for years and it is absolutely the shit. However, Ibex products are as good. I just hate to order my clothing and then have to send it back for fit issues.
 
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I have the heaviest smartwool long underwear and have spent a lot of time out camping and hunting in freezing weather in it. I like it better than the capilene or silk stuff.
 
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I picked up this thermal union suit at an outdoors show. It is a fantastic 1st layer and I've worn in many, many times in sub zero temps on late winter hunts. Extremely warm, comfortable & non binding fabric. Feels like fleece against the skin and has the flexible characteristics of any UA garment...
 
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From my experience with their socks, baselayers, sweaters & cycling gear it is nearly impossible to go wrong with the SmartWool brand.

Wool is good and they add a bit of poly to make it more comfortable. This is nothing fancy.

The fit & finish is what sets them apart from their competitors IMO.
 
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I have been wearing only Smartwool socks for quite a few years now and I know those are MUCH more comfortable than anything else I have found. My feet sweat less, stink less and feel better all day with a lot of time on my feet. I recently started using their long underwear and it is nearly as big an improvement as their socks. I was using Underarmor and there is no comparison.
 
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I agree with liking the smartwools. I have some socks I bought in 93 in Winter Park Co. when I went skiing for the first time. I cant seem to wear them out. I've bought five or six more pair since then. I bought some of their thin liner socks from Cabelas too. I seem to sweat walking to my stand and then don't pack enough clothes in to stay warm. So, I'm hoping that a better base layer will alow me to wear less to the stand and pack in the same amount of clothes. I've settled on the cabelas wooltimate pants with the windshear in it and a cabelas wool fatigue sweater with the windshear for my main layers. I then usually pack in a natgeat long parka for an outter shell. Thanks for the helpful advice folks.
 
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If you prefer wool, Ibex in my experience is better than Smartwool. I also prefer Patagonia wool over Smartwool. Wool clothing is very good for huge temperature swings like all natural fibers with cotton actually being the best, down a close second. Wool as a base layer does very well, my issue with wool and I wore plenty of wool in the 70s is, it does not dry fast in the field but does retain insulating properties. Damp wool is still not as warm as damp synthetics that do a better job with moisture management drying very quickly. Synthetics do not have as broad of a temperature range though.

Go swimming in a cold icy Alaskan river wearing Capilene, get out, take it off, spin it around a couple different ways and water comes flying out, put it back on and while damp, much drier than wool and will completely dry over the day while wool will remain damp for days.

True polypropylene is poor as a base layer due to it hates water and will do a poor good job with moisture management around the body.

Still the best and it is the benchmark test for all other fabrics since, is Capilene. It does every thing required for base layers the best, while others may do certain things better, Cap does everything well.

UA I have not used it personally but my son wore in football in wet September/October Alaska and it did very well in the extreme rain fall and snow.
 
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I have worn Smartwool every day during the colder months for years. I have spent quite a bit of money with them. They have not let me down ever.

I just finished some survival training the other night on Pikes Peak. In my business, I don't know where I might spend the night. Smartwool works. I haven't tried it, but it is known that the synthetic fibers will melt to your skin in a fire. Wool apparently does not. I guess what is the point of the Nomex suit if everything underneath is melted. Just a thought from my unique perspective. When I finally wear a hole in something, I'll light it on fire to see if it in fact won't melt.

If I could find a company that does not have the (im)moral compass that Smartwool does, has quality products that are equal or better to Smartwool and could get a pro deal from them, I'd switch in a heartbeat. The Merino wool works, and I'm sold.
 
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I just orderd a Smartwool and Capilene top to try out. I'm always looking for better baselayer tops, as I'm a bigger guy and like to sweat. For years I have used UA, and thought it was the cat's ass, but now I've grown to hate it. So many more comfortable options out there. UA does a GREAT job at wicking, but it's not near as comfortable as most merino wool or other synthetics.

FYI, Cabelas has a HELL of a deal going on right now with their merino wool baselayers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wool clothing is very good for huge temperature swings like all natural fibers with cotton actually being the best, down a close second.</div></div>

My experience with cotton in the outdoors in cold or even cool weather has been horrible. It gets really wet with sweat with even mild exertion and then stays wet and keeps you cold for hours. If it's warm or hot it's OK, but I'll still take technical synthetics every time.

I will add one exception to my comment on liking my Smartwool long underwear better than Capilene. When it's really cold (below 20 degrees all day) I like the Capilene 4 expedition weight stuff that looks like a thin fleece.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maladat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wool clothing is very good for huge temperature swings like all natural fibers with cotton actually being the best, down a close second.</div></div>

My experience with cotton in the outdoors in cold or even cool weather has been horrible. It gets really wet with sweat with even mild exertion and then stays wet and keeps you cold for hours. If it's warm or hot it's OK, but I'll still take technical synthetics every time.

I will add one exception to my comment on liking my Smartwool long underwear better than Capilene. When it's really cold (below 20 degrees all day) I like the Capilene 4 expedition weight stuff that looks like a thin fleece. </div></div>

Agree with everything here.

Capilene is great at all levels. I also love my TAD merino base layers in cold wet weather.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maladat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wool clothing is very good for huge temperature swings like all natural fibers with cotton actually being the best, down a close second.</div></div>

My experience with cotton in the outdoors in cold or even cool weather has been horrible. It gets really wet with sweat with even mild exertion and then stays wet and keeps you cold for hours. If it's warm or hot it's OK, but I'll still take technical synthetics every time.

I will add one exception to my comment on liking my Smartwool long underwear better than Capilene. When it's really cold (below 20 degrees all day) I like the Capilene 4 expedition weight stuff that looks like a thin fleece. </div></div>

You misunderstand and I was not clear. Natural fibers, cotton and down allow the body to be comfortable (not wet) in huge temperature swings, e.g., using a zero degree rated down sleeping bag with cotton shell will allow the body to be comfortable in zero and up to say 50 degree where as a synthetic filled zero rated bag with a pertex shell will feel over warm and clammy. Comfortable over huge temperature swings is NOT the same as dealing with extreme wet climates, nature fibers are cooler in the heat and warmer in the cold for a set amount of thickness of insulation Vs synthetics. Also, natural fibers are softer and drape around the body better than stiff synthetic fibers decreasing the amount of dead air that the body has to regulate.

Wool is natural and is a superb insulator but if dealing with wet like you mention, I prefer Capilene but many have gone back to wool, my experience comes from wearing wool and wearing Capilene, fall into a frozen river, dig a snow cave, hike for hours in a blow like snain, anything that instills high water in a clothing system, this will test any fabric. For me, wool even today's high performance wool does not dry any where close to as synthetics and being 3 days in the backcountry, I want the best chance.

One test parameter is to wear a half half, left side was wool and right side was Capeline, wool was good but Cap was much better at management of micro climate around the body. Half half are how most clothing companies / fibers companies test their products in the real world.

Wool is good so absolutely wear it. I just say, Smartwool is not the only one in the neighborhood and they have a huge advertising department and wearing both, Ibex I and most of those who wore both preferred Ibex.

Good luck and have fun
 
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Smartwool is fine, but consider Woolpower for your wool needs. It's a bit more $$ than Smartwool, but you will be very happy with the performance of the garments.

All day sits in 20 degree F weather, 20 mph winds with a 400g Woolpower shirt and a modest single outerlayer is my ticket.

My $.02.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those who like Smartwool socks, give Bridgedale a try for comparison. </div></div>

I'm right there with ya on either Smartwools or Bridgedales for socks. They are the only brands I'll wear and I've been wearing the Smartwools for over 15 years. Just bought some more to replace the ones I had because they finally wore out. Love the Bridgedales too and I've got several pairs of them!! As far as the long underwear/base layer goes, Smartwool is good as well as PolarMax. So is Ibex.

Chad
 
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I routinely use Icebreaker, which is another merino wool product, and have been exceptionally pleased with the product. Although I have not tried this fiber, Alpaca is supposed to be superior in strength, softness and ability to retain warmth when compared to wool fibers. Alpaca fiber is also naturally hypo-allergenic. I plan to try some Alpaca socks soon
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lank</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The smartwool is some great stuff but I refuse to support them any longer as they are very environmentally minded. And not the good way in my opinion. </div></div>

I have to retract this statement at this time. I am an avid snowmobiler and a group called the Winter Wildlands Alliance is a very vocal opponent of snowmobiling. Smartwool has, in the past, been a large financial contributor to WWA. As I look to see if they are still listed, I find that they are no longer on the list. Here is a list of their supporters.

http://www.winterwildlands.org/about/corporate.php
 
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One thing nice about Smartwool is it has natural odor fighters. That said, I generally wear a USGI ACU tee under the smartwool top to extend its ability to be worn many times between washings.

Three of us took our Smartwool long sleeve tops with us for a bicycle tour down the coast of Normandy a few D-Days ago. We wore them constantly - while riding, under a nicer shirt for dinner, etc. They have a way of keeping you warm, but as you warm up, have a way of keeping you cool and not overheating.
 
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Just went to REI and saw they changed their long underwear line...it is marketed to wick moisture better. I did not try them though.
 
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45.308 - thanks for the response. Sorry I missed it for so long.

I think we agree pretty well and you certainly have more really harsh-conditions experience than I do. It gets cold in Texas but not THAT cold.

I do have three down Western Mountaineering sleeping bags because they are lighter and pack smaller than any synthetic bag I have seen. They absolutely must be taken care of and kept dry, though.

I did spend 10 days in the Gates of the Arctic National Park in July 2000 and it was fun as hell.
 
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Alright, after seeing this thread I ordered a Smartwool medium top and a medium Capilene top. Have yet to recieve the Capilene, but have had a chance to put the Smartwool to the test. I'm pretty active in the winter with coyote hunting and moving snow, like to sweat, and wanted something nice to wick moisture yet be more comfortable than Under Armour.

Frankly, greatly disappointed in it's wicking abilities. I'm may be a little out of shape and sweat more than your average guy, but even in the uncomfortable UA I stay dry. We got hammered with a good blizzard New Years Eve and I had a lot of snow to move with the blower and shovel. All I had on was the wool layer and a Carhartt, and the wool shirt was soaked in sweat when I was done. 2 days later I was out coyote hunitng, got stuck, tried shoveling out for an hour or so before walking 3 miles for help. This time I had the UA next to skin, with the wool on over that, a sweatshirt and light coat. The UA wicked the moisture away from my skin to the wool layer, which was wetter than shit from collecting sweat.

So, if you'r a bigger guy and want something to wick sweat while being active, Smartwool is not for you. I'm sure it will make a great layer when I'm bow hunting or sitting in a layout blind late season, but it's not what I was looking for in a active use baselayer.

I hope the Capilene proves better than the wool.
 
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Capilene.....Much much better at wicking and staying dry. Way more comfortable than UA.

Not as warm as wool though, obviously. A medium Capilene top is no comparison to a medium merino wool top in insulating, so keep that in mind.
 
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The other night it was -19F, I was wearing Under Armor as a base layer, and Smartwool on top of that. I was comfortable even under rotor wash. I couldn't even imagine what those wind chill #'s were. I don't think the Smartwool "wicks" as well as the synthetics. I think it just insulates better than the synthetics even when wet.