Re: Sniper's Hide "Gladius" Limited Edition M2009
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeep Chimp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems as if there is enough interest to continue discussion, at least...... </div></div>
Continuing the discussion is not going to get them going. I have done a few group buys and builds, as soon as LL specs the build everyone and their mother want to make a few "small change", just read some of the post above. When that happens it's no longer a group buy project but a custom order. If that's the case then just call one of the builders and have it done your way.
There is a whole lot of work that goes into getting a group buy started. Just getting all the parts and different manufactures of those parts on the same page is a huge pain, and trying to make "small changes" will screw it all up. The whole point of the theme builds is they are all the same and are all kept simple.
Then there is the issue of deposit and wait time. Half up front and waiting six to eight months for the build is just more then some guys can stand. You might get 10 or 20 guys to "commit" but four months into it they need to back out and are asking for the deposit back. That puts the organizer in a bind because he had a commitment and has already paid for the materials. Now the organizer is out of pocket or needs to find someone to take that persons place in line for a special order rifle with fixed specs and no changes.
Not easy and I know how LL feels and I would not take on this project, the potential of out of pocket expense and headache are too high.
Here is another option for someone hot and bothered for a new theme build. If someone wants to take on this project, get the okay from LL and someone else be the head organizer and get it done, why does LL need to do it?
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I respect your opinion as a custom rifle builder, you do awesome work, but this is just an idea being tossed around. We didn't imply a builder, just an idea. Your right, this might not happen. BUT I will agree with Chiller, Frank will have a lot more pull in the firearm industry then one of us. They know Frank is a serious shooter and spends most of his days behind a rifle. His opinion matters, and he has about 26,380 users listening to it.
If it is such a worry that people are going to back out of their theme build then they need to; one, not be an ass clown and commit, pay half up front and be told that it IS NOT refundable for any reason. We as the buyers commit to the purchase and build and will not disrespect the smith taking on our project. I think if you have a very strict set of guide lines and make people abide by them or potentially lose their money, also knowing this is going to be a $3,500 rifle (give or take), I dont many people will commit then back out knowing they will lose a good chunk of coin.
If its going to be done I think there should be a spec build by Frank. We either say yes or no and then once we get a set number he can start getting parts and a smith lined up. There is more then one way to go about it so that no one loses out. A lot of internet tough guys will get on here and say "ya Im in for one" and then he posts the price and build time. That will turn some away that are not serious.
There is no need to come on here and present a negative attitude to someones idea of another theme build. I loved the Valkyrie project so much I bought another one in a different caliber when someone backed out on George.
We as a community can make it work, or Frank can say this is to much of a headache and we move on......
