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So Abbott or West for TX governor?
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I like Allen West but I'm not a big fan of political tourists.
On top of that you're going to have to be realistic, Allen West loses to Mccaughnehay in the general.
I've not been a fan of all of Abbot's positions but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater
On top of that you're going to have to be realistic, Allen West loses to Mccaughnehay in the general.
I've not been a fan of all of Abbot's positions but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater
I wouldn't be surprised if Abbott runs for Pres. with goal to get a cabinet position in next presidency.
I agree with West being a political tourist - Georgia, Florida etc., and that kind oof bothers me. But I would hate if a gap allowed illegal voting to throw in one of theirs. I thought West was leading the Texas succession movement at one point tho..?
I'd vote for West. Political tourism doesn't bother me as long as it benefits standard American values, not this Maxist shit paid for by Soros, Tides Foundation, Ford Foundation, Heinz Foundation, etc, etc.
I like West, but I don't think he could win in the general. Abbot has done some good stuff, but slow on the trigger regarding some others. I am afraid there are enough airheads out there that would vote for Moviestar Mcconaughey to put him driving the Texas republican bus. Let the guy star in a Texas movie, and the next thing you know he wants to be governor. But, Hollywood has pickled his brain. And, you can bet he will push the angle that he's a native Texan. But, so was Dan Rather.
It's not perfect, but the trio of Abbot, Patrick, and Paxton have been working pretty good. I'm not enough of a gambler to want to break it up in these tough times. And, I think they will get tougher. Besides, Abbot has Trumps' endorsement. That's a big bullet.
I also have been a fan of West but I think Abbott has done a pretty good job given some of the circumstances and I don't agree with some of his actions. I think I'd rather see West run against the RINO Cornyn for senate next time around.
This is not an endorsement for West, don't know enough about him. Like others, he moves around too much for me, can't seem to. hold a job.
Abbot is a joke. He watches to see what is popular and then makes decisions. If DeSantis does it, he follows. He is gearing up to run for Pres. He has a huge war chest of dollars and adding daily. He works harder every day to raise money for "whatever" election he targets. His problem is the local radio is reporting he is losing his big money donors and support over the lockdowns and mask mandates.
As far as Puto O'Rourke, the Dems donated $80mill for his campaign for Senate, what do you think they will send to win the Governor's office?
Puto still has a big following of liberals and karens here in TX. Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio are all huge liberal cities and where the votes are and the voter fraud is. Cruze only beat him by a few percentage points. IF he runs, it will be a tighter race than you think.
I thought it was very interesting that Puto didn't show for the Kum-a-lot show in El Paso week ago Friday. Toxic for her?
No way I'd go throw so much as 1 cent towards West myself. Formerly a fan, btw...until digging deeper. Multiple reasons for me: the political tourist is a big one. I've also crossed paths with a few of his acquaintances (or at least somebody claiming they are good friends) and that is a HUGE no-go for me. Speaks a lot of a person of the company they keep. I see him as an "opportunist" - which of course is every politician.
And this is another reason why conservatives lose so often against progressives.
The goal is not perfection. The goal is WINNING.
A lot of you people need to put aside your purity tests and get on with the business of WINNING.
It's good advice. Abbott has a better chance of winning against any democrat challenger than Allen West does.
Any time I see a BETO sticker it's almost always on some cutsey little commie clown car.
I don't know much about West but Abbot seems to do a good job of keeping the commies pissed off, especially with Constitutional Carry and trying to seal the border.
Abbott or whoever needs to pass a law making it a felony to sell Texas land to China, Iran, Russia or any foreign country, especially an enemy, and if Texas does secede we confiscate whatever land China bought, including the 180M acres in S. Texas, for partial compensation for attacking us with bio warfare.
Americans can no longer buy or even own existing big tracks of land in Mexico and there's no grandfathering it in. New Zealand is the same way. I'm sure there are many other countries that share the same common sense.
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From the outside looking in, Abbott seems a milketoast who waits to see which way the winds blow while Allen seems to speak and act like a leader.
What am I missing.
Exactly. They want to win at all costs. Conservatives are like, "Well, we want to win too, but we need to be able to sleep at night with our decision, even if we lose"
Fuck that shit. Their side is 100% in on railroading us. Period. End of story. We will never win so long as "purity" tests are applied to candidates.
Better to win and get 65-75% of what you agree with, than lose and be guaranteed 100% of what you despise.
Brains; use them.
No one on the right wins with a RINO
Just look at turtle neck McConnell
Or McCain
Or Romney
Or Chaney
Or Collins
Or Graham
These fucks ramble off some cute little conservative talking points to the deplorables, then turn around and sell us out to the corporations or China
Fuck em all
The only way we get America back is to tell the country club Republicans they can suck it, and primary their asses with America first conservatives
Only thing that West cares about is West.......... Do any of you know him or have actually had a conversation with him?
Bet if you dug up the Allen West military record you might have another opinion.
You're missing that Abbott has done some good shit for Texas and he's told the US gov. To F off many times if they've overreached.
Could there have been a better alternative action to the mask mandates ? Of course.
Do I think Allen West could be better than Abbott? It's possible.
Am I willing to gamble against an invigorated Dem party in Texas that thinks now is the time they take back the governor's mansion with a bold voter fraud strategy? No, I'm not.
Abbott is a winner and I think he's the guy we have to get behind until he doesn't want to do it anymore.
All hat, no cattle. I am wary of dudes that assume a way of life they have not known to convince me that he has my interests at the heart of his political aspirations.
Bouncing around the country politically doesn’t tell me that you are ready to defend Texas values above that of the socialist whims of the the other 49 states. This is the standard.
Nobody gets it rights all the time, but whatever state a politician is running in, being born and living life there usually makes one loyal to the causes they find important, as well as being hard nosed enough to defend those ideals. I’m not against West per se and I was no fan of Perry or Ma Richards but the devil you know…
Why does he want to govern Texas? No one has gotten to that point yet. Is Texas just a stepping stone? If so then you can bet your ass that the legislation he supports will not be for Texas but will be carefully metered out to be as palatable as possible for the nation to find acceptable for a run at a bigger office. And that is horse shit. Texas governor = Texas first.
Bouncing around the country politically doesn’t tell me that you are ready to defend Texas values above that of the socialist whims of the the other 49 states. This is the standard.
Nobody gets it rights all the time, but whatever state a politician is running in, being born and living life there usually makes one loyal to the causes they find important, as well as being hard nosed enough to defend those ideals. I’m not against West per se and I was no fan of Perry or Ma Richards but the devil you know…
Why does he want to govern Texas? No one has gotten to that point yet. Is Texas just a stepping stone? If so then you can bet your ass that the legislation he supports will not be for Texas but will be carefully metered out to be as palatable as possible for the nation to find acceptable for a run at a bigger office. And that is horse shit. Texas governor = Texas first.
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Also, had he won his Florida congressional races would he be over here? I think that tells us all everything we need to know.
I would not vote for West over Abbott in the primaries.
I don't have any trust that West is actually what he claims to be.
I don't have any trust that West is actually what he claims to be.
I don't have a stake in this race (I'm in WI) but if I did I wouldn't vote for West for the above stated reasons, the biggest one being his being a political tourist. I doubt his intentions would be Texas first. Rather, it would be West first. Darn politicians.
Fuck that, Allen West for POTUS. Ive been saying that for years.
I just watched West being interviewed by Steve Bannon. He talks tough, and talks a good game alright. But, do you believe him?
If I were a Texan, I think I'd vote for Abbott, as the evil I know. West would be my guy, after Abbott. I honestly don't think West gives a crap and I like that. I don't see McConaughey having balls, or brains to do the job. He's way too utopian and idealistic, if you ask me.
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Abbott is and has been a weak feckless political animal. He has this war chest because he is bought and paid for. Fuck him and the chair he wheeled in on. Abbot is the scum you think about when you think dirty politician, he only does what at the moment will benefit his political career not for the good of the people. Again FUCK HIM!
West is suspect on many levels, I suspect he would try to appease the left and work with them. Don Huffines has my primary vote as of now, and i would vote for any GOP in the general besides Abbott. The last POS i voted for because of the R next to his name was that turd Cornyn........
If we keep voting in these asshats because they are better than X,Y or Z when we KNOW they are total turds, then we get the situation we have now with do nothings.
West is suspect on many levels, I suspect he would try to appease the left and work with them. Don Huffines has my primary vote as of now, and i would vote for any GOP in the general besides Abbott. The last POS i voted for because of the R next to his name was that turd Cornyn........
If we keep voting in these asshats because they are better than X,Y or Z when we KNOW they are total turds, then we get the situation we have now with do nothings.
10 years ago I worked under Govs Perry and Abbott on a Sr. staff position at a large TX State agency, and knew some of his senior staff and friends of his well. I also saw how Texas really works from the inside.
Abbott is good for Texas. Why?
Abbott (former Attorney General) is a very effective politician who knows how to get things done in the political environment, has many allies, and holds a substantial number of markers / favors. When it hits the fan, you need a governor that can quickly rally departments, citizens and NGOs, call in markers (or markers of markers) or mobilize citizens or other organizations.
That’s a relationship issue and Abbott understands and is effective in using relationships, as it’s absolutely required in Texas and many other states.
I don’t believe West, Mc-Con-a-hay or Beatoff have those relationships or can quickly establish them in a disaster or political shi*storm.
He and I don’t agree on everything but he is likely the most effective governor Texas has had in decades.
Abbott is good for Texas. Why?
Abbott (former Attorney General) is a very effective politician who knows how to get things done in the political environment, has many allies, and holds a substantial number of markers / favors. When it hits the fan, you need a governor that can quickly rally departments, citizens and NGOs, call in markers (or markers of markers) or mobilize citizens or other organizations.
That’s a relationship issue and Abbott understands and is effective in using relationships, as it’s absolutely required in Texas and many other states.
I don’t believe West, Mc-Con-a-hay or Beatoff have those relationships or can quickly establish them in a disaster or political shi*storm.
He and I don’t agree on everything but he is likely the most effective governor Texas has had in decades.
I would have to agree with that. Perry didn't have to operate in the crapstorm political climate that exists today. When you look at Abbott, Patrick, and Paxton individually, there's nothing really outstanding about them. But together, they are definitely greater than the sum of their parts. I'm really hesitant to see this trio split up. If we could just unload that worthless John Cornyn, we would be in great shape to continue telling DC to take a hike.
If you look at the results in that race it was another North Korean affair.......100 percent of some areas voting for the other guy against West..........
No one really likes Cornyn, he's the milquetoast someone referred to earlier. If West would run against him, he might have a better chance. Or if we got someone more popular than Cruz to take Cornyns spot in the primary, a second Beto run would be stopped again.
Tony Gonzalez is my congressman and would be a good fit as Senator. A good conservative Hispanic with a military background and super strong on the 2A crushes Beto, likely flips the valley to Red again.
Abbott's a politician...tired of politicians. When will the leaders stand up?
Perry was bad for Texas IMHO. Everything was political first vs. what was right for the citizens. I saw a firsthand attempt by Perry to screw public safety responders long term for the sole purpose to make Obama look bad (and only for a few days at that). He might have been good oil and gas but not for Texas.
I have met West and had a conversation over a beer he bought me long before his political career. I met him when he was a Battalion Commander at Fort Hood in 4ID circa 2003. Great guy that loved his Soldiers more than anything, to include his career. He was friends with my BN CDR at the time and would take the time to have a conversation with you, regardless of rank.
Maybe if West loses his primary against Abbot he can come to Idaho and challenge my chicken shit RINO gov Little
Abbot was a right idiot about the start of the stupid covid B.S.
However there was probably only 1 governor in all the USA that got it right from the start.
That being said, unlike most other governors, the moment Abbott realized there was serious push back from the population, he immediately changed course and did the right thing.
So while not perfect, he at least did the right thing when pressured to do so rather than doubling down on evil like so many others did.
However there was probably only 1 governor in all the USA that got it right from the start.
That being said, unlike most other governors, the moment Abbott realized there was serious push back from the population, he immediately changed course and did the right thing.
So while not perfect, he at least did the right thing when pressured to do so rather than doubling down on evil like so many others did.
If he's going to be a political tourist, why not run up to Wyoming and oust Cheney? He could easily win a primary against her
The mask mandate from Wheelz was pushed to give big business cover. Because he is bought and paid for. period. The only reason he does ANYTHING is to benefit his political career. Every term all of a sudden before re-election he magically gets something done he promised 4 years earlier. It’s embarrassing and as scumbag as any politician could be. He is a total POS and needs to be replaced.
He lives in Texas with his family. I don't think they are going to move again.
maybe. but if he gets beat in the primary, what are the odds he moves some place else? See also: Romney, Mittens.
He has been in TX for a while. He could run for another state but I don't know if he would.
here's another problem with West trying to Primary Abbot: if the primary is especially brutal and costly, it may only accomplish one thing. and that is to weaken Abbott enough that he cant compete like he needs to in the General against McConaughny. There was a poll out today shows Abbott beats McConaughny... i know i know, polls lie but its interesting timing.
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