Im all for CA building low income housing in other states for the homeless. Maybe it needs to be suggested to the politicians. Saves money and helps put a roof over the homeless heads. Funny you guys get all worked up but the way CA works I wouldn’t doubt if this becomes a plan.
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So Cal Almost Mexico What Do You Think I Saw??
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These other states aren’t exporting homeless people. Homelessness is a symptom not a disease. Their economy is unstable and unsustainable. The economy reflects the world views of the populace, which are unstable and unsustainable. If you tarry when you see wickedness, then you’ll eat the fruit of the wicked. And if you emigrate there, you’re kind of asking for it. Importing cheap labor and housing costs which are through the roof are contributing factors for sure, but those, again, are symptoms of the wicked religion.
None of it works until they can figure out a way to forcibly commit some people to mental institutions; that is the major stumbling block right now.
No, they're exporting people (in general) that end up homeless. How many times have we heard from some young person "I'm going to LA to make it in a ________" (band, actress, tech industry, etc.), and then they crash and burn because they have no real idea what they're getting into, and have no practical life skills to get themselves out of trouble. It isn't just wickedness (though there is some of that). Hell, if we're talking wickedness, I give you none other than Las Vegas as an example of utter wickedness that is condoned, tolerated or even celebrated....
CA has all kinds of run down areas to deposit your poor, mentally ill, drug addicts, illegals (and their spawn) and other trash the state breeds. The rest of the country has suffered enough from the CA refugees polluting once nice areas.
You are dead wrong. You’re living in a failed state. California is a black hole, a vortex of valuable resources of every variety and origination. They inhale life and exhale death.
LOL! I live here, and you're telling me I'm dead wrong. LOL! Smh...your opinion is worth what it cost.
Yeah, LOL! It's kind of like Ford Raptor's; they're a dime a dozen here (despite most never using one for it's designed purpose) because the income level here can justify the expense. Meanwhile in rural flyover country they're still a rarity. Mainly because most folks there just can afford one. It's just another one of those ironies...
I don’t have to be black to have ideas about racism. I don’t have to be from California to have ideas about California. That is liberal logic.
To the OP, yes, there are millions of Trump supporters here in California. We are everywhere. The news only shows you what it wants you to see as it fits their narrative they are spinning. One America News, likely the most conservative broadcats news media outlet in the country is actually based in San Diego.
@MarinePMI Its hilarious to see people from everywhere else in the country, except California, say how terrible California is and exactly what and how the problems started, etc. Isn't it?
As a cop on the streets in Los Angeles county for 10 years I can tell you the vast majority of homeless that are between 18 and 45 were NOT born in California. They come from all over the country (or from other countries LOL) for work.
That's not to say 100% come from every other state, but I would be comfortable in saying at least 75% aren't California born and raised.
I don't have a politically motivated study to quote, just my personal experiences. I've contacted hundreds upon hundreds, if not a couple thousand different homeless people, talked to them, asking them standard questions about what brought them to my state and city, etc.
The root of the problem is the welfare state we have created here in CA as a result of all the devious voting practices @deersniper mentioned. California is an example of what a "direct democracy" will devolve into.
I was born and raised in the beautiful Golden State, but I'm absolutely not going to retire there unless something drastic happens. I vote in every election from the county water commission, school board (even though I dont have kids), on up to the big ticket political stuff.
You gotta get out and vote. Dont be complacent. Nothing is ever a sure thing, even you guys in "red states" or "red districts" need to vote every time. If you dont, then your area may change right under your nose. Virginia, and the conservative backlash shitshow is an excellent example of this.
Yes, 95% of counties vote red in Virginia, but they only have, say, 35% voter turnout. The down side is when you have high population counties like Fairfax, with 500x the population of the smaller county that vote blue and have 35% turnout.... that 35% blue turnout in Fairfax County with 1.1 million people negates 44 of the 35% turnout red counties with populations under 50,000....that's a recipe for California.
VA county population numbers Came from this VA website
For the love of everything and everyone you love and hold dear, please vote. Our future depends on it.
Pretty much this.
An estimated 45% of homeless suffer from mental illness; over half of those are supposedly in the "severe" category. Since there is basically no long-term in-patient mental health care available in the US, anyone with severe mental illness and without a very tolerant network of family and friends will eventually end up in the streets.
It's also worth pointing out that nearly 10% of the homeless are veterans. Just something to keep in mind when everyone's painting with their broadest brushes.
LOL! No. what you're describing is second hand knowledge and supposition at best, and just plain ignorance at worst. But please, do go on... ? ? ?
You are correct sir. California is a mess. Corruption and evil at its worse. It is a failed state.
@MarinePMI, i get what you are saying in that there are good people in the state. That’s true. California and its ideas are cancer on this nation. The majority are crazy.
You are 100% wrong.
The highly vocal minority are crazy. The silent majority are regular folks like you and me.
If the silent majority actually got off their lazy asses here and voted, things would change for the better.
But, like when the state put up Proposition 8 for the gay marriage shit here in California, the silent majority affirmed marriage should be between a man and woman. The vocal minority lost their minds, and used the activist courts to overrule the vote of the people. They only like "democracy" when it works out in their favor, remember that.
A lot of problems CA is experiencing now are partially due to the courts overruling prop 187.
This coming from someone that's never lived in CA, but I've never had AIDS either and have a pretty strong opinion on that too. :-D
Citing how many 100k F150s are floating around in your neck of the woods is more proof that the problem is California’s wicked religion. Those people can’t afford those cars... or those houses... or those clothes... or those hospitals... that’s the problem. Financial insanity driven by lust stemming from godlessness.
California isn’t the only place to which people transplant. Other states don’t have this problem at this level. The problem isn’t the state, the problem is the religion of the populace that creates and allows it.
I understand what you are saying, too. I agree whole heartedly. But in this discussion, those people, like peace-seeking Muslims, are completely irrelevant.
California isn’t the only place to which people transplant. Other states don’t have this problem at this level. The problem isn’t the state, the problem is the religion of the populace that creates and allows it.
I understand what you are saying, too. I agree whole heartedly. But in this discussion, those people, like peace-seeking Muslims, are completely irrelevant.
I agree 100%. I wasn't old enough to vote in favor of 187. But I definitely would have.
The leftist activist judges appointed to courts during the Clinton, and Obama admins have done their best to ruin our Republic. Thankfully T-Bone Trump is appointing constitutionally-literate judges to the federal courts and that will have a very positive impact for the next 20-30 years.
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Congratulations!!! ? ? ? You just proved, that you have no idea what you're talking about...
You're telling me that a significant portion of people who are driving around SoCal in expensive ass vehicles and living in mcmansions aren't leveraged to the hilt and typically a few paychecks or unexpected expenses away from insolvency?
Come on now........…….
Because you don't understand economics, or the income of people in SoCal compared to everywhere else. The disparity is mind boggling, with only New York and DC coming to mind as places that are equal or marginally more expensive to live. Now how we got this way is a whole nuther discussion, but peoples' higher incomes, that can afford the pricier vehicles and such, is not about "Financial insanity driven by lust stemming from godlessness".
Not the experience my son has had. According to him (at least in Orange County), the vast majority of homeless are native folks from CA. Drug abuse, extended unemployment, just being pushed out a home because they could no longer afford to live anywhere (underemployed). But the largest seem to be drug addicts.
Make no mistake about it, this is solely owned by the government and politicians of CA.
I personally don't know how and why things have gotten so bad, but real estate is my #1 guess. My son lives in Huntington Beach. He lives in a 1 bedroom house (actually this house is split into 2 living quarters. It's not bad considering. He pays $2200 a month plus utilities. He has enough money for a decent down payment on a home, but unless he can afford $550k or more, there's nothing available. Even if he goes into Santa Ana, he's still looking at $400k for a crappy house, in a crappy neighborhood.
That $2200 a month rent my son pays, should be somewhere north of $2400 but he has done some work on the house and the landlord has kept the lease low. I don't know how people out there can ever afford to buy a house. So there's no equity for anyone but those that bought decades ago or who are very wealthy. It's really sad...….
I live in Costa Mesa and we have a lot of homeless here. Many are drug addicts that spill out of the many "sober living" houses in the city. Most are for profit so they don't care about the people coming in or going out. They get money from families or maybe the state/county to handle these people. They relapse and end up on the street. I see buses pull up to some complexes I have a few AA friends and they know several of the people on the streets. Many are "famous" from the AA/NA programs that fell hard and decided to stay on the streets. Many of the mental issues I believe are self induced from drugs. I'm sure many of the homeless are from CA, but I do not see a majority are out there because they couldn't afford housing.
I pay $2365/month for a 900 sq foot 2 bed, one bath. They are raising rent like crazy because the median cost of homes in Orange County are exceeding $850k. I can't afford to buy anything in my county and do not want a shitty house in a bad neighborhood. I grew up that way in L.A. until my family had enough and we moved to OC in 1990. With the rent control passing the property owners are now cleared hot to raise rent 5% each year plus inflation (up to 3%). Our landlord hit us with a 7.8% increase ahead of the law change. The other units have gone up considerably in recent months. I am fortunate because I have a two car garage. Many places around here are $2400 with no garage or parking.
Yes people finance themselves to their eyeballs in CA. There is a reason Hollywood is in CA, because everything is fake.
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I pay $2365/month for a 900 sq foot 2 bed, one bath. They are raising rent like crazy because the median cost of homes in Orange County are exceeding $850k. I can't afford to buy anything in my county and do not want a shitty house in a bad neighborhood. I grew up that way in L.A. until my family had enough and we moved to OC in 1990. With the rent control passing the property owners are now cleared hot to raise rent 5% each year plus inflation (up to 3%). Our landlord hit us with a 7.8% increase ahead of the law change. The other units have gone up considerably in recent months. I am fortunate because I have a two car garage. Many places around here are $2400 with no garage or parking.
Yes people finance themselves to their eyeballs in CA. There is a reason Hollywood is in CA, because everything is fake.
All American Racers is a cool operation. I used to work on Dan Gurney's highly modified Supra when i was a Toyota tech in another life. Great guy and I really enjoyed the conversations I had with him.
Could there have been any laws/policies that induced those less able or willing
to find and keep a job to move there?
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to find and keep a job to move there?
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I do understand economics. If you are borrowing to buy it, you can’t afford it. Being able to make the payment is not the metric for affordable. People in California don’t make that much more money than the rest of the country https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app/california/2015/measure/factors/63/data yet they borrow at a level that would make a day-trader blush. Like Warren Buffet says, “It’s easy to tell who was skinny dipping when the tide goes out“ and nobody has more sun on their behind than CA. The whole state is insolvent, and those guys are, at some point, going to have to reconcile that fact. The entire Western United States has suffered mightily from the ripple effect of California’s culture, and I, along side many, shudder to think what will happen to our states when that blister finally pops. I think, when considered on the whole, it’s insulting to the normally insane to lump them in with the practices of California. And the, “ How we got here?” question is readily apparent from the Bible Belt.
I left CA in 1987, and never going back,even though i truly miss the street racing scene.
And it highlights the point that Californians aren't really any wealthier than most.
I know farmers here in Ohio that despite looking to be dirt poor are far richer in real terms than you would believe.
Yessir, not a whole lot of them "poor ol farmers" in Darke co Ohio
Again, you miss the point (and the definition) of economics. It's not about what you have, it's about what everyone doesn't have (scarcity).
California doesn't have a lack of housing per se, it doesn't have a lack of property or space. What it does have is a scarcity of a middle class (and laws/policies that encourage the growth of a middle class). And so, it isn't that the "median income" is that much different than other places, it's that the gap between the wealthy and the poor is that much broader. More people here can afford Ford Raptors, because they make a shit load more than most in the country. Conversely we also have more poor and/or homeless (or those that are just barely making it by). We have more "upper middle class", less "lower middle class", and a shit load of people that are down right poor, but living off the State's handouts/tax breaks.
This is how statistics lie, and these "median income"numbers get bandied about to keep the masses thinking "Well, we're not that different than everywhere else" as well as keep them from leaving or demanding change. They just think "Well, everyone must live like this". It's a fascade.
As has been stated, look at the housing costs. Look at groceries for heaven's sake ($5 for a gallon of milk? $3 for a baguette?). The populations here and in other heavily populated areas (NY, DC, Chicago, etc.) are being segregated, with fewer having more money, and more having less. It all comes out even in the "median income" numbers because the amount of money flowing is static; how it is distributed across the population is not. That's economics, not whether someone can pay their bills with a certain percentage of their income. Smh...
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There is no actual middle class in most of CA. The mean is not possible with costs being so high. An actual "Middle Class" family in most of CA would be more associated with lower class in other parts of the US.
My son makes GOOD money. He is well into the 6 figure range of income. However, he is relegated to being a renter all of his life due to housing costs. I can't see him ever being able to save enough money to make it possible to buy a decent house, in a decent neighborhood.
My son makes GOOD money. He is well into the 6 figure range of income. However, he is relegated to being a renter all of his life due to housing costs. I can't see him ever being able to save enough money to make it possible to buy a decent house, in a decent neighborhood.
Middle class?
How do you define that? Is middle class in Columbus, OH the same as middle class in SoCal? Is it based on income or is it based on what you can do with that income?
What do all of you economics majors say?
How do you define that? Is middle class in Columbus, OH the same as middle class in SoCal? Is it based on income or is it based on what you can do with that income?
What do all of you economics majors say?
I hear you. I was indeed fortunate in having done as well as I have here; it was part luck, a lot of hard work, and making some smart decisions. California's "middle class" practically requires a DINK household (double income, no kids) to get started, and even then, most home owners "ladder up", which then adds to the ever increasing housing costs. My wife and I were fortunate enough not to have to go that route, though we did up size when we married due to my kids (from a previous marriage) coming out for the summers.
The way I see it, this hole (like what you're son is in) it what the liberals do to keep people under control; make too much to walk away, but don't make enough to be insulated from the rental housing increases that come in fits and starts.
The rent control and zoning bullshit needs to come to a stop. Let the market drive the costs down when smaller, more affordable homes are more easily built (vice apartments/condos or McMansions, with nothing in between). Cali is driving the successful people out, the poor people into even more poverty, and those squeaking by get put under more and more pressure to leave or fail every day. I can't how many good people I've known on the service side of things (techs, contracts, financial, procurement, etc.) that have left Cali, and were shocked at how much happier and more secure they were...somewhere else.
A damned shame...
Not sure why you are wasting your time and effort...
You're ability to live a certain level is so markedly different in CA than it is in all other areas short of Seattle and NYC. In my RI town $250K will buy you a decent split entry on a 1/4 acre. $250K anywhere in LA or Orange County buys you nothing unless you want to live in the slums of Santa Ana. Go to SF and it buys even less. You can't even buy anything in Oakland.
Why do people live there
- Weather and in SoCal the ability to remove planning your life around the weather.
- If you are educated, the greatest number of high paying job opportunities you can find ANYWHERE. The salaries including equity grants in one year is more than most earn in a lifetime.
- If you're uneducated, they have free access to education and training. Unfortunately, not many choose to go this route as subsidies are the greatest there as well
- Lifestyle and tolerance to non-traditional relationships. Not my cup of tea and that is one of the reasons I left. There were others that were related to the Government's stance on 2A, immigration and quality of primary and secondary public education
- Probably the greatest college educational system next to NY. The UC system, USC, Stanford....you will have access to employers you aren't going to get coming from University of Ohio. Whether you buy it or not, it is a fact. I know because I hire these kind of people. And oh BTW, they are not spoiled little millennials either. They are WAY smarter than I am and for the most part, have phenomenal work ethics. If not, they get written up with an EIP and exited. Do I care what their politics and beliefs are? Nope I care what kind of employee they are. I don't have to eat and drink with them though there are some that I choose to do so.
There is no fight as there is no data other than specious arguments
California could be anywhere
It does not matter where people are born
People that want that free shit homeless drug using lifestyle will gravitate to where it exists
Path of least resistance will always be taken by the majority of people
It does not matter where people are born
People that want that free shit homeless drug using lifestyle will gravitate to where it exists
Path of least resistance will always be taken by the majority of people
This.
California had a decent network of institutions and far less problems (and overall expense) until former Gov Reagan let them loose and shuttered the facilities to cut costs. It didn't work. The homeless problem in California and other places is largely a drug problem compounded by mental health issues and a severe lack of resources. My wife work briefly in public health back then while she was still working on her advance degrees and saw it first hand. Its been a downward spiral ever since.
Honestly the current homess situation in SLC is among the worst I've seen so it's not a California probelm only. More petty theft, porch pirates and other crap we never experienced in SoCal. I grew up on a ranch in SoCal - loved it. Left after school and lived all over the world. Years later we returned and lived in California for several years before moving to Utah about 5-6 years ago. Still spend some time there as we own a manufacturing business in California and have a part time home - for now. It's still a beautiful place with a lot of great people - especially once you get out of the major cities. As someone pointed out there is a TON of opportunity there for those prepared for it with the right skills and education but it can destroy the unprepared quickly. It's pricey but not impossible. Our daughter and her husband bought a house in their 20s - nice little place in a good neighborhood. Good decisions and they're fine. Frankly the home prices around us in SLC aren't much higher than a lot of areas in California.
The laws in California to try and balance out things end up killing business and destropying opportunity for a lot of people and the political leaders don't see it - or don't want to. They tax everything that moves and wonder why we want to leave California.
There is some movement to balance out the Fed tax net outflow from California to help address the homeless among other issues. Other states have benfitted from California's economy and the taxes thereon for many years and some in the state want to level that out. Not sure it will help as state and local governments there don't have a strong record of fiscal discipline generally.
Around here $250k gets 80ac w/ a creek and a shack. Y'all enjoy that CA...
Around here $250k gets 80ac w/ a creek and a shack. Y'all enjoy that CA...
Where? I’m currently at one of the lowest cost of living states in the US and I cannot even come close to that for that amount of money. Wait! Don’t answer that! Message it to me. Haha. We don’t want the commies knowing!
GA. Land ranges from below $2000/ac to around $7500/ac. A friend was quoted $2200/ac the other day for ~100ac w/ large creek and some springs. Large hardwoods on the creeks, the rest planted in small pines that were fertilized two yrs ago. Marketable timber goes for more, depending on timber value. Rolling pasture with good fences goes for more. Tillable land with good soil productivity goes for a good bit more. Average ~40ac with hilly woods, water and some pasture is around $4000. That may or may not get an old house with it.
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Yeah, but I’m not moving and taking all of my money to the heart of commie land!
