so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

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So tell me your experience with an ar10 rifle with the magpul PRS stock and the accushot monopods

i shoot primarily in the prone position, on either concrete or grass I have a harris BRMS bipod in the front.

1. is this a good setup for prone shooting..
2. is the locking version the way to go?
3. I was assume most use the shorter version, but again please share your setup and which one you use.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

I have a POF 308 with the PRS and due to the fact I have a Harris 9"-13" I went with the longer model (BT13-PRM-QK) I would have went with the shorter model if i had a 6-9 bi-pod. They have some info on their site to give guidelines on how to measure for which model. I am very pleased with mine.

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Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JerkeeJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had one on mine and didn't like it. Soo much easier to use a good rear bag. </div></div>

im going to try my rear bag out first. to see how it works, to me the pod would be much more stable... but i could be wrong
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JerkeeJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had one on mine and didn't like it. Soo much easier to use a good rear bag. </div></div>

I'm usually shooting prone in sand and even on a mat a mono pod isn't that stable. I think a bag would work much better but I've yet to try it. Mono's seem to work better on firm surfaces where they don't sink into the fluff.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

hmm
i guess the new question is. if i get a monopod can i still use the rear bag with the mono installed

since i primarily shoot on concrete the mono would be ideal, but i do go shoot out in the farm....
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cruze5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what grip is that?

im leaning towards the BT12 – PRM </div></div>

ERGO Tactical Deluxe. It comes on the POF
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hoosier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cruze5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what grip is that?

im leaning towards the BT12 – PRM </div></div>

ERGO Tactical Deluxe. It comes on the POF </div></div>I love the ERGO TD, it's awesome!
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JerkeeJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had one on mine and didn't like it. Soo much easier to use a good rear bag. </div></div>
this is a good bit on info. i have an accushot monopod on my Armalite Super SASS, it makes it a bit awkward truthfully, IMHO its much more stable to use a rear bag, but its easier to flip down, and use the standard quick knob when hunting or out in the field.
 
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I prefer a rear bag. So much that this weekend I will probably be drilling and pinning the little rail cover on my PRS so it'll quit sliding off the rail.....
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I prefer a rear bag. So much that this weekend I will probably be drilling and pinning the little rail cover on my PRS so it'll quit sliding off the rail..... </div></div>

I prefer a rear bag. But I take off the rail on the PRS stock. The rear bag sits tighter on the rail then the rail cover. I dislike the monopod. A rear bag is much quicker and versital than the mono pod.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

I have a monopod (not on an AR but on my AW). Much as I love Kasey's kit (and no criticism intended!), I'm finding myself using a rear bag or just my free hand far more than I use the monopod.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

cruze, my AW <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span> a bolt gun

I've got nothing against the monopod, I just find using a bag or my hand more intuitive and easier to get fine control.

That being said, I have not removed the monopod from my stock......I couldprobably get used to it if I gave it more time and practice
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I prefer a rear bag. So much that this weekend I will probably be drilling and pinning the little rail cover on my PRS so it'll quit sliding off the rail..... </div></div>

Agreed in all respects--including the intended cure. Please post up a few pics when you drill and pin. I am considering all the various options to affix that little POS permanently. Was thinking a single dab of high strength adhesive.
 
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I've had them in the past on my boltguns, but they always seem to find their way off the rifle and into the ruck, then into the garage, then into the "For sale" threads.....
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

cruze5, the Accu-Shot monopod was an idea developed to use with a bipod in the field. One element that was paramount to the idea of a monopod was having it attached to the rifle just like a bipod (shooting buddy forgot his bean bag on a prairie dog hunt).

The monopod is a tool, the more you use it the better you become with it. At <span style="text-decoration: underline">minimum</span>, it will be attached to your rifle so if you WANT TO USE IT, for a given shot, it is there. And our testimonials demonstrate that some pretty impressive groups are possible using a bipod/monopod combination.

My observations are that most people new to monopods simply do not understand how they can be used.

One key element is keeping your off hand <span style="text-decoration: underline">on</span> the knob while sighting and firing the rifle. In soft ground/dirt, this spreads the support foundation out to help keep it on top instead of sinking down. And after the shot in such conditions, you simply adjust elevation and shoot again. It should be obvious, that IF you have the luxury of planning where you shoot from and IF you will be shooting from that position for an extended period, using a mat would also help in this issue of sinking.

When I read "A rear bag is much quicker and versital than the mono pod." I realize I have failed to demonstrate how to use the monopods versatility and speed as it is simply not the case.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Quicker</span>? When does the clock start? when you get your rifle beanbag positioned just so? Or from standing beanbag in pocket, pack or?? Maybe quicker from shot to shot at a stationary target? Not sure how that could be because at that point both supports are pretty much functioning the same a squeeze on the bag a slight twist of the wrist. Maybe while engaging moving targets? Lets see, the monopod IS attached so you can use the leg as a handle to pan the rifle with no concern of keeping the two properly mated as you do with a beanbag. Maybe engaging multiple targets? using the leg like a lever, sweeping or pivoting the leg front to back while keeping the heel of your hand on the deck will raise lower muzzle, fast. Add moving multiple targets (first, you have either a great range to shoot at or you are deployed which is where we got a ton of great feedback from guys doing just that with our products!) you use the knob to pan while pivoting it forward/backward and you can track any target going left to right, right to left moving up or down hill.

Versatile? How? I really don't know what would possibly make the bean bag more versatile. Will a beanbag allow you to adjust onto a target, lets say a particular bean in a pile of like beans, you now get off the rifle, let another get behind the rifle to observe said target, will a beanbag allow this? Will a beanbag allow you to adjust to that same bean, in a low light/no light situation then hold on that exact bean, in the dark for say 47 minutes? Did you just move the bag? Are you on the same bean? Will your fatigue be the same?

Last, I have observed military snipers using a monopod for the first time, some take to it right away and it puts a smile on their face. Others simply cannot get comfortable behind the rifle and there is no way they will switch. Chevy and Ford deal.

And in closing, I'm reminded that this subject matter is what brought me to SH years ago. A member asked about the Accu-Shot much like you did, a couple of members posted their unfounded opinions (not their <span style="text-decoration: underline">experience</span> with the monopod, but rather what they <span style="text-decoration: underline">believed</span> would be their experience if they should use one, i.e. good for bench, no use in field, etc.). Another gentleman posted what their experience was, "their" being the SOTIC group at Ft. Bragg. He explained how and why the Accu-Shot was part of the course there and as far as I know remains so today (I say "as far as I know" because until I read that post years ago, I had no idea SOTIC was using our products in their course, they bought them though one of our dealers). I do know monopods are not going away for such applications, we recently shipped a ton (okay over 500 pounds) of them for inclusion in a new precision rifle system for uncle sam.

Wow I used all my words up for the next 2 weeks!!!
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

lol, while we are redoing our website, we are going to less words, not more and using videos to demonstrate above.

Actually I hate to sound like an advertisement, but as I do know a little about the subject and have some experience, I'm compelled to share. And as I'm trying to put off working on the "need to get done list" my word count got out of hand!
 
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Who cares what you sound like as long as the info is accurate thanks for the info and I'll be ordering one as soon as my custom ITS-12 shows up from ar15performance.
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BTW 4,000 posts congrats!
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

I installed an Accu-Shot Monopod on a PRS on a Sig556 DMR a couple months ago. I absolutely love it. For me personally, it is much easier and provides better stability than a rear bag, of which I have several. I agree with previous posts that the shooting surface is an important factor; uneven or soft surfaces will make optimal use of the Monopod more challenging than a hard surface. I have been thinking about a very simple modification that will cost about $2 or $3 to rectify that issue. If it works, I'll post it here.

As far as determining what length, as pointed out above, there is some info on their website to help in determining what length you need. I would add from my experience with it that you also need to consider the angle at which you'll be shooting. I routinely switch between two different ranges where I shoot. The shorter of the two is very flat out to the farthest distance. The longer range has a significant down angle to ensure hitting the berms. I found that the first version I ordered (BT12 with Std Quick Knob) did not give sufficient elevation for some of the closer (steeper down angle) berm areas on the long range, so I also got the next longer version (BT13 with Mid-Range Quick Knob), which I keep in my bag. They're very easy to switch depending on which range I'm using and what I'm trying to accomplish on a particular trip to the range. It's pretty easy to set your weapon on a flat surface, throw a level on your barrel/receiver with whatever front bipod setup you're using, and determine the range of elevation a particular length Monopod will give you.

Finally, one of the rear bags I have is the Tac Ball I purchased from Rifles Only. Having the Monopod in the folded position in no way interferes with the use of this small rear bag. So there's no reason you can't have both for specific uses if you so desire.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

I mentioned above that I prefer a bean bag, and now I'll explain why. While I don't dispute any of what Casey said, in the end it comes down to how you use your rifle. For me, I don't need to hold on a target for long periods of time, I don't need to set the rifle on a target and then have someone else lay behind the rifle and see the target without adjustment, and although I do enjoy shooting tac matches where quick target acquisition is necessary, I've not had problems swinging my rifle from target to target using a bag.

So, for me, not needing to do much of what the monopod is designed to do, and me being more comfortable with the bag anyway, I choose the bag.

On a side note, this is not by any means intended to say that Kasey's products are anything less than great, because everything he makes that I've used is top notch. This particular product is simply not for me.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

monopod is a waste of money ...had one and it took more time setting it up than poping in a bag...or better yet learn to shoot without one. But even if you have it setup properly it still wobbled too much for any real precision work on the target...bag absorbs the recoil so much better.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

Mine is on DPMS 269 w/24" bull - so it's a pig

I like the monopod on mine alot, for tactical matches i don't even use the bag - unless i have a ton of time to relax and setup (usually not)

picture from couple years ago
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Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

pics of my SR25 with and without the monopod below. (old pics though... ditched that sling along ago)

My experience shooting with bags and monopods is positive for both. Slight pros/cons to each. It's the PRS i'd like to see changed. Downside to the monopod is that it keeps the gun up really high (e.g. 2nd post in this thread), much higher than i like to shoot. also, because it offers such a stable position, it often tempts me to spend too much time dressing up my shots. another consideration is in soft dirt/sand, the monopod will sink under traditional cheek weld-pressure, where a bag won't.

Advantages are obvious and covered above already. I'll add that once you dial the monopod in, you can use your weak hand again to putz with PDA, data book, wind meters, etc w/o taking the sights off the target.

To me it mostly comes down to weight. The monopod is LIGHTER than my bag, but it's attached to the gun. I figure if i'm going to keep the PRS on a gun, I may as well have a monopod on it.
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Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

this one is a genuine KAC suppressor. few were made, but a couple of 3rd parties will make one custom for you. it works very well and is surprisingly lightweight. rifle/prs looks like this w/o can:

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Kasey,

wow, thank you for the reply!!

i went to the range yesterday with my new ar10 and could not get the butt of the rifle stable because my rear bags were NOT tall enough, i needed one 1.5 times the size of my current triad rear bag...

Im sending a set of ergo grips back and exchange it for a podlock and the shorter podlock.

Thank you for everyone's input i greatly appreciate it
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

I have a monopod on my AR and bolt.
I used it at the 2009 SHC and won the 1 round/100yards stage with my AR260.

The monopod does dig in the dirt like a bipod.
To fix this, I would take off 1 glove and put it under the monopod.


It also helped me to shoot 5 steel at 500yds pretty quick

Cleaning time after a long day at Rifles Only.
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

If I were in a position where observation was part of the job I would definitely utilize the BT monopod.
I gave away the two I've had, just weren't my cup of tea.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were in a position where observation was part of the job I would definitely utilize the BT monopod.
I gave away the two I've had, just weren't my cup of tea. </div></div>

i wish i had asked sooner..


i have tried 4 rear bags and i can't find a single one to keep my rifle steady at my range... this is beyond frustrating
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

I think Lowlight use coffee bags...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cruze5</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were in a position where observation was part of the job I would definitely utilize the BT monopod.
I gave away the two I've had, just weren't my cup of tea. </div></div>

i wish i had asked sooner..


i have tried 4 rear bags and i can't find a single one to keep my rifle steady at my range... this is beyond frustrating </div></div>
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

I have the BT-08 and the BT-13, with the latter being mounted on my POF 308. It's been worth every penny, allowing for tighter groups. Thanks, Accu-Shot!
 
Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

My .02 cents....I hate the wobbly little booger on my PRS. It was on my AR-10 and i didnt like it. I did find a great use for the mono though. I put it on the front rail of my AR-15 .22 and use it for a verticle grip. It folds up, its small and out of the way and it fits your hand pretty good when using it.Hope you have better experience than I did.
 
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I have a BT12-QK and a Harris BRM-s 6-9" w LT-706 that I move between an AR15 and AR10 w PRS. Hight works fine for me both prone and of a bench.

The QK version is pretty fast to adjust with the push button.

If the surface is too soft, you can always flip it up and use a bag - It's always there if you need it and not in the way when you don't - and costs like 5 boxes of ammo
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Re: so i have a ar10 with PRS stock. monopod?!?!

Didn't we have the same discussion a month or so ago?

On a AI AW, I have the AccuPod that I use with a rear bag for all tactical LR comps and Pdog steel dog shoots. I find I use the bag for coarse adjustment but fine tune using the AccuPod. I think it's a pretty good system, imo.
This is typically on solid ground for tactical matches but often uneven terrain. And, from concrete for Pdog matches.

Have a JP LRP (with PRS) in .260 coming and intend to install a AccuPod as well. I like having it installed on the gun and instantly available. The new quick deploy knobs (QK) are a definite improvement. And, I use it the way that Kasey describes; with my off hand holding the AccuPod. Very slight last second adjustments are possible using this technique based upon adjusting your grip. I find it to be a very precise method -- nice when you're shooting at a 5" wide Pdog at 500 yds.