So, is China gonna take a stab at Taiwan?
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Yep. And Xiden ain’t gonna do a god damned thing
Nah, china would never do so thing like that, no history to show they would use their military against citizens to push their morally reprehensible commie “values”
Heck their military sees more action against unarmed civilians than anyone else.
I so wish they would try to invade the Middle East and get their paper tiger ass pushed in
If I were a Taiwanese Id be talking seriously to South Korea, Japan, The Philippines, and maybe Australia about being allies. Xiden will crap his bloomers, again, and posture.
Im sure the Chinee still hate the Japs for what they did to them in WWII.
Im sure the Chinee still hate the Japs for what they did to them in WWII.
I’d sponsor a samurai on his chinaman head chopping challenge
We need to put china into another century of humiliation
Century of humiliation - Wikipedia
Of course they are.......
Who is going to stop them?
Who is going to stop them?
Battle time line depends.......
If they take Australia first Taiwan will be safe for probably a decade or so.
If they take Taiwan first Australia better stand by because the PLA will be hungry for more a half hour later.
If they take Australia first Taiwan will be safe for probably a decade or so.
If they take Taiwan first Australia better stand by because the PLA will be hungry for more a half hour later.
Pretty sure you can cross Australia off that list as of late. SK will have to deal with their pesky cousins to the north but in all seriousness just one vs one NK doesn't have a chance. Japan and the Philippines I'm sure would/could be persuaded to join in if for only their own survival.
Grandpa Simpson as we all know sides with the Chinese
They won't but it won't be because they are worried about the US.
A few things to look at in regards to China:
- China has an abysmal military record since basically the beginning of time
- China has zero real world conflict experience; I think the last time they actually fought anyone was in Korea and that was only somewhat effective because they used a 200:1 tactic.
- China lacks the amphibious force and logistical means to bring enough personnel over to Taiwan in anything resembling an effective assault
- China has a military based solely on participation to actually get somewhat of a regular income, food and a non negative 'social credit score'
- China's own population is only a solid window of opportunity away from getting as far away as possible from communism
- China has no allies and basically no one likes them
- China is heavily dependent on exports to places where no one likes them and come out of ports that are easily interdicted
- China has a completely fake, inflated, manipulated economy and currency
And the other side of the coin:
- Taiwan has absolutely ZERO intention of unifying/joining/doing anything with China
- Taiwan has been buying large amounts of anti ship weapons, SAM systems and other equipment specific towards a China threat from the US over the last decade
- Taiwan represents a significant portion of the semiconductor manufacturing in the world
- Attacking Taiwan would require an aerial and seaborne attack that would have to have an extremely high casualty rate for non combatants that even China would not be able to shrug off
- Taiwan would geopolitically be seen just like Saudi Arabia was in relation to Iraq.
- Everyone from Japan, to the Philippines all the way down to Australia knows that China moving on Taiwan, is Step 1 of a 100 step 'plan' that at some point involves them being the target
- Japan has nuclear weapons that can be assembled very quickly (if not already). I see Japan being, ironically, the next country to eventually use a nuclear weapon against another country if Taiwan is attacked. China would be the perfect recipient of this as well.
- There is a high chance of a dog pile from various countries should China be held off/stalled during an attack and/or suffers economic and home grown internal problems after attacking Taiwan
- Window of opportunity is relatively small and a buildup would be extremely obvious. If we can get someone like Trump back in, China wouldn't even consider this as an option as he would do some troll level shit like build a Mar A Lago in Taipei and vacation there every few weeks.
Risk vs reward just isn't there.
A few things to look at in regards to China:
- China has an abysmal military record since basically the beginning of time
- China has zero real world conflict experience; I think the last time they actually fought anyone was in Korea and that was only somewhat effective because they used a 200:1 tactic.
- China lacks the amphibious force and logistical means to bring enough personnel over to Taiwan in anything resembling an effective assault
- China has a military based solely on participation to actually get somewhat of a regular income, food and a non negative 'social credit score'
- China's own population is only a solid window of opportunity away from getting as far away as possible from communism
- China has no allies and basically no one likes them
- China is heavily dependent on exports to places where no one likes them and come out of ports that are easily interdicted
- China has a completely fake, inflated, manipulated economy and currency
And the other side of the coin:
- Taiwan has absolutely ZERO intention of unifying/joining/doing anything with China
- Taiwan has been buying large amounts of anti ship weapons, SAM systems and other equipment specific towards a China threat from the US over the last decade
- Taiwan represents a significant portion of the semiconductor manufacturing in the world
- Attacking Taiwan would require an aerial and seaborne attack that would have to have an extremely high casualty rate for non combatants that even China would not be able to shrug off
- Taiwan would geopolitically be seen just like Saudi Arabia was in relation to Iraq.
- Everyone from Japan, to the Philippines all the way down to Australia knows that China moving on Taiwan, is Step 1 of a 100 step 'plan' that at some point involves them being the target
- Japan has nuclear weapons that can be assembled very quickly (if not already). I see Japan being, ironically, the next country to eventually use a nuclear weapon against another country if Taiwan is attacked. China would be the perfect recipient of this as well.
- There is a high chance of a dog pile from various countries should China be held off/stalled during an attack and/or suffers economic and home grown internal problems after attacking Taiwan
- Window of opportunity is relatively small and a buildup would be extremely obvious. If we can get someone like Trump back in, China wouldn't even consider this as an option as he would do some troll level shit like build a Mar A Lago in Taipei and vacation there every few weeks.
Risk vs reward just isn't there.
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my guess is some kind of move between xmas and new years.
There you have it folks. He may not know the difference between a soft taco and a burrito but I think he is pretty spot on in this case. If people stop buying Chinese shit, they're fucked.
If there's one thing I know better than Russian women and the fact that there is no such thing as a soft taco, its how to evaluate an enemy before showing up in their livingroom at 2am.
Thats a lot of humiliation. I'd be pissed too.I’d sponsor a samurai on his chinaman head chopping challenge
We need to put china into another century of humiliation
Century of humiliation - Wikipedia
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I've got nothing against a bunch of humiliated Chinks
but a curse be upon anything smelling of communism.
Good eval. I dont think Japan would use the nuke in that case. The consequence would be unacceptable. More likely they would complain and posture and arm up. If they ever got invaded then all bets are off.
Stopping buying Chinee stuff is a nice solution but tell that to the new lower middle class Mrs. Smith who needs to get school clothes and crap for 5 kids. she aint going to Nieman Marcus shes going to Wally World.
JUNK. China's been making it for 2000 years.
A junk is a type of Chinese sailing ship with fully battened sails. There are two types of junk in China: Northern junk, which developed from Chinese river boats,[1]: 20 and southern junk, which developed from Austronesian ship designs, which have been trading with the Eastern Han dynasty since the 2nd century AD.[2
I don't think they will...at least not in a kinetic fashion.
Taiwan's military technology and capabilities are equal to China, they just have a LOT less. In a game of attrition, ROC loses...but such a victory would be costly in blood and treasure, and expose China's weaknesses to the world.
They stand to lose much more than they stand to gain globally.
No, it'll be slower and much more long game than a multi-hundred aircraft or missile strike package.
Taiwan's military technology and capabilities are equal to China, they just have a LOT less. In a game of attrition, ROC loses...but such a victory would be costly in blood and treasure, and expose China's weaknesses to the world.
They stand to lose much more than they stand to gain globally.
No, it'll be slower and much more long game than a multi-hundred aircraft or missile strike package.
The commie way of attack is much more insidious and dirty.
If the fascist nazis wanted to kill lots of their own people, they load them at gun point into a train and take them to be gassed, than burned to ash
The commie Russians would cut off your supply, from a long ways away, of food and not allow anyone to help you, let you starve to death and rot.
At least with the nazis you could look the bastard in the eyes who was about to kill you.
I suspect chicoms will do something similar
China is a long way (like 20-30 years) from their optimal start position for retaking Taiwan. I think ROC could even declare independence and as long as the US/United Nations doesn't recognize them, the CPC would continue to bide their time, although they would certainly play the maximum sanctions game in that case.
Before China is ready to take that island:
1) They need to discombobulate the US more. Maybe in a few years they'll launch a sneak bio attack on a staple crop of Mexican agriculture that drives millions into the US, or something similar, and keep at that sort of thing until we're looking more like Syria does today.
2) China needs to pwn Russia more than they do now. They need to be able to impose a fish/cut bait scenario on the US where both Ukraine/Belarus and Taiwan could be on the line. We no longer have the ability to fight two wars simultaneously.
3) China needs to be able to take and hold Cis-Lunar space from the rest of mankind. China lacks the accumulated knowledge, skills, and abilities to fight conventional large wars well but they have a shot at warfare in space.
For several years, China has been developing a survivable nuclear deterrent (CJ-10 and DF-31AG/JL-2 mobile nukes), as well as a biological warfare program. Recently, they've been building missile fields with about 200 silos. Some people think they're for ICBMs, but I keep asking myself, what if they filled those fields with missiles that are equipped with micro-satellite hunter-killer swarms? 200 ICBMs doesn't do much for the nuke balance-of-terror, but a huge ASAT swarm would do quite a bit for space warfare.
/armchair generalship
Before China is ready to take that island:
1) They need to discombobulate the US more. Maybe in a few years they'll launch a sneak bio attack on a staple crop of Mexican agriculture that drives millions into the US, or something similar, and keep at that sort of thing until we're looking more like Syria does today.
2) China needs to pwn Russia more than they do now. They need to be able to impose a fish/cut bait scenario on the US where both Ukraine/Belarus and Taiwan could be on the line. We no longer have the ability to fight two wars simultaneously.
3) China needs to be able to take and hold Cis-Lunar space from the rest of mankind. China lacks the accumulated knowledge, skills, and abilities to fight conventional large wars well but they have a shot at warfare in space.
For several years, China has been developing a survivable nuclear deterrent (CJ-10 and DF-31AG/JL-2 mobile nukes), as well as a biological warfare program. Recently, they've been building missile fields with about 200 silos. Some people think they're for ICBMs, but I keep asking myself, what if they filled those fields with missiles that are equipped with micro-satellite hunter-killer swarms? 200 ICBMs doesn't do much for the nuke balance-of-terror, but a huge ASAT swarm would do quite a bit for space warfare.
/armchair generalship
Is it plausible that the USA would allow China to attempt to retake Taiwan and in exchange, China would forgive a large portion of American debt? It's hard to imagine such an alliance, as evil as it would be. I could see it happening, if the American economy is bad enough and the left is still in the White House, after 2024.
Currently China trying to take over with military forces is a lose lose. They don't want a country that is in rubble from battle. They want the pristine cities and the factories running 24-7. It's all about the money first. They are just using the it "used to be ours" as a cover.
They have you looking at the shiny object to divert attention from the real strategy
They have you looking at the shiny object to divert attention from the real strategy
In the near future following the 2022 Olympic games, China is on a high following Covid and the states will continue to spiral down with the infections through this winter and into spring 2022 along with political distractions. Taiwan has new commitments in defense spending in the next number of years, so waiting any longer will only hurt them. https://www.janes.com/defence-news/...ng-plan-as-relations-with-beijing-deteriorate Also, they are dying to try out all their western knockoff toys they have been, developing.
Here we go again it’s the same ol’ soft taco vs glock argument vs my damn spell check CHANGING ol’ to “ok” 8 damn times before I lose my shit argument
Wish them the best.
We have a fucking war being waged on us right this moment.
Change my mind.
R
We have a fucking war being waged on us right this moment.
Change my mind.
R
China wouldn't do an intensive bombing mission over Taiwan because of their massive semiconductor manufacturing infrastructure.
They also wouldn't go randomly bombing the place, because when the initial leaders that fled China for Taiwan, they took with them a heap of Chinese national treasures and artifacts, which the Chicoms are pissed about. Sure a lot of the stuff would of being systematically destroyed in the cultural revolution, but China wants this stuff back and won't risk destroying it in bombing raids as the Taiwanese government has made sure to spread them all about the country to deter china from missile and bombing raids.
Hi,
Sort of like the notion of let me know when half the Taiwanese population leaves the USA to return back to their homeland in preparations of fighting and protecting it...
Until then it is definitely not the responsibility of the USA Gov to send "its'" people to fight and protect Taiwan for them.
Sincerely,
Theis
That is one point worth looking at a second time. I think something like 90% of chip manufacture is from Taiwan. China wouldn't want to have that destroyed in a physical conflict. It would be a way of putting a strangle hold on the world if they could capture those resources. Think of how many products are dependent on semiconductors in their manufacture.
Supply chains are already breaking down and I don't think china wants to slit their own throat economically. Just my 2.
Taiwan is shifting a large portion of their semi conductor manufacturing to the US as we speak. Taiwan Semiconductor Corporation is building a multi billion dollar manufacturing plant in north Phoenix right now, they bought an approximately mile square piece of land from the state and I counted 19 crawler cranes on site the other day when I drove by. Ill advised or not the PRC is up to something and the Taiwanese are spending big to be ready for it.
It would be a huge logistics fuck cluster for China to invade Taiwan.
The joint Russian China exercises recently, highlighted the Chinese C&C weaknesses.
Unless they've been expertly concealing their naval and aerial resources, they couldn't afford losses to what they have at present.
Maybe in a few years, they'll give it a go.
As for invading Australia, the desert will do to them, what the Russian steppes did to Hitler and Napoleon's armies.
With any luck, Xi Dingaling, will have a massive stroke while bonking one of his boygirls.
The joint Russian China exercises recently, highlighted the Chinese C&C weaknesses.
Unless they've been expertly concealing their naval and aerial resources, they couldn't afford losses to what they have at present.
Maybe in a few years, they'll give it a go.
As for invading Australia, the desert will do to them, what the Russian steppes did to Hitler and Napoleon's armies.
With any luck, Xi Dingaling, will have a massive stroke while bonking one of his boygirls.
While I'm sure plan A is to take Taiwan with the manufacturing intact, the fact of the matter that in a bad day scenario where that capability is destroyed, the west will hurt a lot more than the chicoms. Day-to-day life for the majority of Americans - perhaps not so much for those here - heavily, heavily revolves around technology. If there's one thing that should be clear, China gives fuck all about human life: their goal is world domination. That said, there's no need for a plan B when their current economic and cultural warfare campaigns are so successful.
Eh - those nukes that got loose from the USSR went somewhere.
I'm looking at you Taiwan...and Japan....and frankly Switzerland.
I'm looking at you Taiwan...and Japan....and frankly Switzerland.
So do tell about this Russian women subject. Is this a candidate for a Dr. Phil show?
So do tell about this Russian women subject. Is this a candidate for a Dr. Phil show?
Wife #1.
Managed to literally break the hot/crazy scale.
That was kind of my point.
With China's lack (currently) of an amphibious landing force and/or a force that can put a significant amount of boots on the ground inside of Taiwan, quickly, the only other option would be an air campaign which they A. have never done before B. do not have the means to do low casualty targeted operations with and C. will cause a massive amount of damage to assets they want to take over as well as to civilians that will only give everyone else on the planet a reason to step in.
Remember, their sole reason for attacking is based on them saying Taiwan 'belongs' to them, nothing else. That's a severely weak argument at baseline, now imagine you attack unprovoked and then have civi casualties.
Hi,
All anyone every wanted to read on the Chinese strategy....
Sincerely,
Theis
All anyone every wanted to read on the Chinese strategy....
Sincerely,
Theis
Honest question - how is China attempting to annex Taiwan different than what Russia did with Crimea?
Lol. The Russians had absolutely no issue putting a pistol round through the neck of their enemies, in huge numbers.
Crimea actually, physically belonged to/was part of Russia/Ukraine. No one disputes that on either side.
Taiwan actually has a stronger claim by Japan, than it does by the PRC. Never under any actual government that even resembles anything in existence today did China, in any form, other than the Qing Empire (ended pre 1900s), have any ownership or claim towards Taiwan.
This would basically be saying that England has a claim on Texas because they had once governed Virginia under King whatever, 250 years ago.
China keeps saying it owns Taiwan, but the funny thing is, they are the sole people that say so. They just keep repeating it but have no actual claim other than, Japan stepped back after WW2. Yet....China never 'took over' and instead Taiwan was under martial law for almost 40 years only to come out the other end of it as an anti-communist pseudo western democracy. So if you can almost see Taiwan from your border, and its under martial law for 40 years, yet comes out as an autonomous country that is 180 degrees different from China is basically every way.....how much did you really 'own' that?
Crimea has a lot of pro-russia people IIRC. It's not an island either. No real world economic consequences.
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