Stanley bought Mac tools as well. Raised the prices and the quality is shit. Not that I liked their tools much anyway.
Dewalt was also acquired by them.
Dewalt was also acquired by them.
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What a vast majority of gerbils consider to be 'tools' these days.I have the original vice-grips from when I started buying tools back in the 80's and early 90's before and during my Apprenticeship days. I still have them, and they are WELL used.
I bought some more "Original Vice-Grips" about a dozen years ago, and they are CRAP in comparison. Very Much So. Point being, I know what a tool is, does, and its use. For those nowadays who're entering into the realm, they don't know from otherwise and think "this is the way it should be".
When it actually AIN'T.
Will you lay off people that use their feet as a vise. We make some amazing stuff! And, it always goes bang...one way or another.Well, once upon a time...
On Friday, my Dispose-all went tits-up. Jammed solid. I figured I had jammed a bone or something.
Looked online and a similar unit was $300. Plus lead time. Plus it looked like it was made of plastic by people who use their feet as a fixturing tool. I figured it would last about a year. Same brand, too.
So all.... damned... day... on Sunday, I dismounted my old one, stripped it down. (I figured... 30 minute job... 5 hours later... ) But it's a InSinkErAtor from the late 1970's. And I have to say that after I stripped it and found a (decade-old) knife tip in it -- broken off no doubt by someone trying to unjam it or get something out, I was able to put it back together. Throw some lube in the bearings... it ran like a top. Better than in a decade, in fact. Apparently removing a rusty broken knife tip helps.
Anyway, I think I could take a Ford Pinto and put it down that sink and it would just grind it up. So once upon a time, we had The Right Stuff to make things that lasted. After the rebuild I am confident that unit will out live me. 45 years old... and better than anything out there today.
Sort of like those 1970's refrigerators that will never, ever quit. Or stoves.
Moden shit is built to a price to sell on Amazon or at big box ripoff stores. In China or Mexico or Leshotho... Fuck all them. Let's get America making things right again.
Cheers,
Sirhr.
PS. I will say that though I am pleased with the outcome. Some of the language I uttered on Sunday while holding tools covered in ancient bacon grease and nasty veggie paste probably left the cats scarred for life. Fuck me what a nasty job. But do it right once and then wait another 45 years. Or buy a POS from Home Best Mart and it will fail in 3 years and you'll be spending another %$#@ing Sunday up to your arms in grease and detritus. In retrospect... Happy. At the time.... fucking swearing up a storm! Esp. when I found the broken knife tip. %$#@ing %%$#iddy %$@#!!!!
I am not going to say one word about your welds...Will you lay off people that use their feet as a vise. We make some amazing stuff! And, it always goes bang...one way or another.
Oh FFS. Black and Decker bought Lenox ?This shows some poor reviews... https://www.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-12-Piece-Metric-Tap-and-Die-Set/5013305505
Also, Black and Decker bought Irwin tools in 2018 - Is this typical buy and bleed a name out with cheap product substitutes?
Stanley Black & Decker Acquires IRWIN and LENOX Brands
Canadian Woodworking Newswww2.canadianwoodworking.com
You can see "Black and Decker" responding to a couple of the poor reviews on lowes site.
Check out this Amazon review of IRWIN Tap And Die Set, Metric, 41-Piece (26317)
Chinese quality for a USA pricewww.amazon.com
I am not going to say one word about your welds...
But I will chip in to get you a TiG just because it pains me to look at some pictures.
Are you using your feet?
Cheers,
Sirhr
Now there there.... they don't suck. They are 'equipment appropriate.'
BTW... I should also post the Angry Emohgee. However it's spelled.This thread reminded me of buying nearly all of my hand tools in the 80s/90s at Sears or Craftsman stores when they were superb quality and US made. Still have and use them on a daily basis (two big ass wheeled mechanic's tool boxes worth). I can only recall a handful that I ever had to warranty. Sad to see what's become of the brand. Was in Lowes the other day and the cheap, China garbage sold under the Craftsman name nowadays made me want to cry
They're pretty proud of Proto tools, to the point that they're so expensive that I usually look elsewhere.2017, And yes it seems to be inline with the general Stanley Black & Decker philosophy. The issue people face with hand tools is there are big companies like Stanley B&D and Apex tool group that buy smaller quality companies and turn their products to shit, banking on the old name to sell shit or at the very least removing competition.
No.Don't worry.. once the current generation dies, nobody is going to need tools at all.
Once upon a time in the late 60's, my parents bought an upright freezer made by Norge. I inherited it then gave it to a friend who needed one and couldn't afford one. Still runs to this day and has never had a service call.Well, once upon a time...
On Friday, my Dispose-all went tits-up. Jammed solid. I figured I had jammed a bone or something.
Looked online and a similar unit was $300. Plus lead time. Plus it looked like it was made of plastic by people who use their feet as a fixturing tool. I figured it would last about a year. Same brand, too.
So all.... damned... day... on Sunday, I dismounted my old one, stripped it down. (I figured... 30 minute job... 5 hours later... ) But it's a InSinkErAtor from the late 1970's. And I have to say that after I stripped it and found a (decade-old) knife tip in it -- broken off no doubt by someone trying to unjam it or get something out, I was able to put it back together. Throw some lube in the bearings... it ran like a top. Better than in a decade, in fact. Apparently removing a rusty broken knife tip helps.
Anyway, I think I could take a Ford Pinto and put it down that sink and it would just grind it up. So once upon a time, we had The Right Stuff to make things that lasted. After the rebuild I am confident that unit will out live me. 45 years old... and better than anything out there today.
Sort of like those 1970's refrigerators that will never, ever quit. Or stoves.
Moden shit is built to a price to sell on Amazon or at big box ripoff stores. In China or Mexico or Leshotho... Fuck all them. Let's get America making things right again.
Cheers,
Sirhr.
PS. I will say that though I am pleased with the outcome. Some of the language I uttered on Sunday while holding tools covered in ancient bacon grease and nasty veggie paste probably left the cats scarred for life. Fuck me what a nasty job. But do it right once and then wait another 45 years. Or buy a POS from Home Best Mart and it will fail in 3 years and you'll be spending another %$#@ing Sunday up to your arms in grease and detritus. In retrospect... Happy. At the time.... fucking swearing up a storm! Esp. when I found the broken knife tip. %$#@ing %%$#iddy %$@#!!!!
Dewalt was started by Black and Decker, not acquired. Back in the day, B&D started a new tool line called Black and Decker Professional. It didn't sell. Change color to yellow and rename to Dewalt and voila!Stanley bought Mac tools as well. Raised the prices and the quality is shit. Not that I liked their tools much anyway.
Dewalt was also acquired by them.
Dewalt was started by Black and Decker, not acquired. Back in the day, B&D started a new tool line called Black and Decker Professional. It didn't sell. Change color to yellow and rename to Dewalt and voila!
As any contractor will tell you, Dewalt makes a quality product that competes with any top brand. (Personally, I find overall quality from any mfgr to be less than once was, but there you have it)
I still have two Black and Decker drills (3/8 & 1/2") from the 60's that still run fine. I did have an old Skil made drill with metal housing that was older yet.
Old fridges and freezers are excellent it’s usually the door seals finally giving up after decades that makes people get rid of em. That and stupid green energy incentives for replacement.Once upon a time in the late 60's, my parents bought an upright freezer made by Norge. I inherited it then gave it to a friend who needed one and couldn't afford one. Still runs to this day and has never had a service call.
Learned something new today.DeWalt - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
DeWalt goes back a long way. We had a radial arm saw on the farm when I was a kid. Dated from 50’s.
They revived the name. But was not just a made up brand name.
Sirhr
The history channel had a show telling the history of some of the major electric tool brands. Pretty good watchLearned something new today.
A person could see the downfall of Sears from 10 miles away. Service went down. And down. And down.This thread reminded me of buying nearly all of my hand tools in the 80s/90s at Sears or Craftsman stores when they were superb quality and US made. Still have and use them on a daily basis (two big ass wheeled mechanic's tool boxes worth). I can only recall a handful that I ever had to warranty. Sad to see what's become of the brand. Was in Lowes the other day and the cheap, China garbage sold under the Craftsman name nowadays made me want to cry
As a body tech with a ton of high end tools(matco, mac, snap on). When it was time to update to electric impacts drills and drivers i bought dewalt. That was 2015. Theyve been run very hard 5 days a week since and not treated well and still preform great with the same batteries. The big 1/2 impact has lost a little power but rarely wont do what i need it to.Dewalt was started by Black and Decker, not acquired. Back in the day, B&D started a new tool line called Black and Decker Professional. It didn't sell. Change color to yellow and rename to Dewalt and voila!
As any contractor will tell you, Dewalt makes a quality product that competes with any top brand. (Personally, I find overall quality from any mfgr to be less than once was, but there you have it)
I still have two Black and Decker drills (3/8 & 1/2") from the 60's that still run fine. I did have an old Skil made drill with metal housing that was older yet.
Old fridges and freezers are excellent it’s usually the door seals finally giving up after decades that makes people get rid of em. That and stupid green energy incentives for replacement.
Throwing something in the dump that’s perfectly functional, they will try it with our vehicles.
I bought a couple air guns from them and ended up putting them in a bottom shelf somewhere and replaced them with Cejn. For tire pressure I’ve been looking at the generic German stuff sold by Gedore and Hazet.Milton USA tire inflator got me today. Only 8 months old used in a personal shop a couple times a week. Inflator would leak where it would drop air pressure and completely un useable.